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Originally Posted by EBT Jim:

I *believe* lots of people around the world model US railroads/railroading. I was just looking at a real nice model railroad by a guy in Sweden ... a UP western US layout with AC44's and such.

 

But, do many Americans run trains from another land? MTH sells them, right?

As do Roco, Fleishmann, Marklin, Trix, Bemo, LGB, etc.

 

There's a US based organization devoted to them, the European Train Enthusiasts.

 

Here's some images from the All American Railroad Show 2014 where the Chicagoland Chapter exhibited:

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And they can run Marklin stud AC, conventional 2 rail DC, DCC, and off overhead all on the same track.

 

They keep trying to rope me in...

 

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NO only because of a limited budget. I am staying focused on American Trains. I would love to have a model of the Orient express though.

 

I wonder if MTH will expand into current HST trainsets for the European market.

Just to update , in Jan 2016, Aaron city trains had a blowout of the MTH br princess coronation Pacific steam engine. The price was too good to be true but I got it. Later that year, I picked up the MTH L.M.S. maroon coach set and the two pack add on cars. While I still don't model European, I now have at least one passenger set. Reminds me of my cousin's in London. Cheers!

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Well, MTH sells models (usually 1:43 scale) of European locos.  I have a lovely French 241.A (a 4-8-2) Chapelon, which is one the best models I have and has the best whistle of any loco I have ever heard, a wonderful reproduction of the very shrill, penetrating Eurpoean steam loco whistle.

 

But that is still an American product, if of a Europoean loco.

 

I have only one European O-gauge model train.  A Darsted 2-6-2, tinplate tank engine. Even though it is tinplate, it is really much more model than toy - it looks quite real.   It is 1:43 scale and quite nice to look at.  It was delivered as a 3-rail DC loco - a weird thing indeed, although I converted it to AC with a rectifier installed, and has no electronics or sound and is by far the noisiest (gear and rolling noise) toy loco I have ever heard.  I don't run it, but just display it here in my study.

 

 

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My original concept for a layout when i was into G scale was to create a fictional US Army RR operating unit, stateside. The other half of the layout would take place at the end of WW2 In Germany and would get the use of all the LGB german stuff.

For a short while, when I went to On30, I considered the same concept, which meant I could have used a lot of 1/48 scale stuff for military modelers, but never did so.

I've chased trains in Germany and the Netherlands years back, so I will always have an affinity for trains from those countries.

But no, I don't model European, though I see the appeal.

the only thing i've got is my lionel hogwarts express.  the engine was nicer than i thought, considering the horror story reviews i read online.  but i think this'll be the only european item in my collection.  didn't plan on buying it, but found the whole set for $60 on ebay, so i couldn't pass it up

I do in both O and HO.  In fact, my last minute Christmas display features most of my HO European stuff.  From Hornby, I have two OO scale LNER locos (A1 Flying Scotsman and J83 0-6-0T) and three LNER coaches.  From Roco I have a DB Era III BR57 0-10-0 (not running on the display because it needs a DCC decoder) and a DB Era III set of eight goods wagons.  I'll post pics and videos later.

In O gauge, I have the Lionel Shakespeare Express, and have already expressed my desire for the MTH Orient Express equipment more than once.
Originally Posted by Miketg:

I run European and have a ten by twenty foot modular two rail layout. I have Lenz, MTH, Rivarossi, Lima, Brawa, and lots of other European brands running on it.(I posted some pics and videos of it quite a while back.) I also collect tinplate French Hornby in addition to my Lionel Postwar trains. All the best, Miketg, ps I have fixed the leaning lamppost since this photo was taken.

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I like European trains. I have MTH, ETS, and Merkur Euro trains, and I have bought a number of steam-era 1/43 die-cast cars and trucks so I can make my layout look more European when I'm running them. 

 

I have three MTH Euro locomotives and matching trains - the French 241A steamer with the Orient Express, a Swiss Crocodile with 4-wheel boxcars and beer reefers, and a modern Swiss Cargo electric with a string of tank cars. 

 

I also have a fairly extensive collection of ETS 3-rail trains, which come from the Czech Republic. These are tinplate and include some prototypes that you cannot find anywhere else, such as the Beyer-Garratt steam engines and the Seetal "baby" Swiss Crocodile. ETS makes a large assortment of nicely decorated beer cars and wine barrel cars, which are among my favorites. 

 

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Top: ETS Czech diesel switcher with beer cars. Middle: ETS Garratt with wine barrel cars.

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Presently, I am modeling a modern freight/passenger type layout. Nothing remotely European about my railroad. However, I did a modern European railroad in "G" gauge and had 5 modern Taurus locomotives. Two of which ran counter opposing. I had one 8 foot track and one 6 foot track. The Piko Taurus can run minimum 6 foot and is quite impressive when pulling a modern consist of German freight cars. I had some of the best of the best as far as that goes. Piko, LGB.

 

I wanted to model in O, but found little in the way of really modern. I even had one ICE (Inner City Express) high speed train in G on that layout. It was really quite impressive. With snow covered fur trees it looked like a typical Austrian/ German ski village scene.

 

I love all trains period regardless of where they originate from.

 

Pete

I've got some Riverossi and Pola-Maxi O scale trains that I picked up in Germany back in the 70's, also some Marklin HO.  I'd like to have a MTH Krokodil or the 2-10-0, but the budget is taken up by layout construction right now.  Maybe someday.  

BTW, the scale size difference is minimized by the smaller loading gauges of Europe and the UK.

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The layout I work on with my daughter is British prototype "OO" scale (1:76) equipment. I've always been kind of an Anglophile, and it just appeals to me. I even have one of Hornby's live steam Mallards in OO. That's a pretty cool piece of engineering. (My unboxing video here if you're interested, and a rather wobbly one of it running here.)

 

I also have several pieces of British N, though no layout to go with it. Someday I will build a small shelf layout with it.

 

I've seen some really beautiful British O (including these amazing Mallards) but they are too rich for my blood. I've been tempted to build a couple of the wagon kits from Parkside Dundas, as they are reasonably priced, but then I'd have nothing to pull them. Maybe sometime.

 

Fred

Thanks to everyone for this topic.  I thought I was the only one.  Although I haven't yet set anything up, I have British OO, Ace & Darstaed O, and some ETS, and I subscribe to Railway Modeller.  I'm thinking of building a small British-style OO layout - not just British prototype, but designed in a manner similar to what is popular in England.

 

For me, it started with visits to the National Railway Museum and several heritage railways in England and Wales.  The amount of passion that the English have for trains is amazing. 

I always thought they were interesting to look & I like them, but my layouts are heavily based on local railroads, industry, & whatnot, so that stuff would not fit in at all. I like all the videos on Youtube from guys overseas that model their own trains & I also like their interpretation of modeling US subjects. All very interesting. I wouldn't mind displaying a beautiful British steam engine or something, but they're too nice & too expensive to let it just sit there.  

I have the Hogwarts set, mostly for the novelty of a UK-style excursion train amongst my fleet (There was a UK steamer whose name escapes me at the moment that toured the US in the 1970's). I have extended my HE out to 9 cars in order to mimic the look of the excursion trains operated in the UK.

 

I also have a pair of the TRAXX electrics play-acting as a freight electrification demonstrator. If any of the European high-speed trainsets were released in O' Id go for one, even though it would strain my storage capability.

 

---PCJ

Originally Posted by RailRide:

       

(There was a UK steamer whose name escapes me at the moment that toured the US in the 1970's).

 

---PCJ


       


The Flying Scotsman toured the US and Canada in 1969-70 or 71.  Unfortunately, it almost didn't make it back to Great Britain, so as much as I would love to see a British steam loco visit the US, it would probably be too risky.

For the Paris-Istanbul video: I love it!  It's amazing how much just a backdrop can do to provide an environment for trains to pass through.  A layout devoted to the entire OE route (although there were several) does sound like an interesting idea.

The Flying Scotsman toured the US and Canada in 1969-70 or 71.  Unfortunately, it almost didn't make it back to Great Britain, so as much as I would love to see a British steam loco visit the US, it would probably be too risky.

 

It's not as cool as having one operating, but there is a British streamlined 4-6-2 in the Green Bay railroad museum. It was used by General Eisenhower during WWII. 

Most of my European stuff has Been in g gauge. I've had lgb trains since the age of two and their focus on European stuff made it necessary to have European prototypes on the layout.  Of course, today there are plenty of opportunities to model us trains in g, but we've become enchanted with Swiss narrow gauge, so all of our prototypes are of trains from that country. 
Most of our o gauge is if American prototypes, but I've added a mth crocodile and two axle wagons to our collection.  I'd like to do Swiss o scale or even no1 scale, but it's not in the budget.  Nor do I have the space.

The Eastern New England chapter of the European Train Enthusiasts is a group that shows a European modular layout every January at the Big E Show in Springfield, Mass.  They're always in the hall that's the closest to the parking lots.

 

Their catenary system is incredible:

 

 

The layout is in HO, but it's excellent.  I look forward to visiting it the whole day while walking the rest of the show.  They're nice guys, too.

 

If you're into European trains, be sure to look for them next time you go to the Big E.

 

Steven J. Serenska

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

On another note: from what I understand, modeling in Europe is a bit more exacting in that they model specific places more. Even on fictional railroads they will keep architecture, and trees etc. area correct for its more localized there.

I think we call it 'scale' model railroading in the USA. I know guys that model a exact date, month, day and time!!!! It is more in HO than O with our mix of traditional, semi scale, high rail and 3RS folks.....but still very common. My O 3r layout is set in 1954-57 in WV....so all buildings, trees etc etc have to fit that location and era.

I have a collection of HO European engines and cars.  I usually picked up a car or engine during travels to Europe.  I have several friends who are members of the European Train Enthusiasts (ETE).  They run Marklin HO and are very active in the SF Bay Area.  

 

There was a very nice O gauge 2-rail layout exhibited at O Scale West for a few years.  The builders had moved to the USA (or perhaps Canada) from England.  I have several friends who run European G gauge trains.  Again, most of these people immigrated from Europe.

 

Here are some photos of the O gauge display at O Scale West in 2010.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:
Originally Posted by JohnS:

A show stopper! The crown area layering, skyline tint, and lighting blend is awesome. Pink, or peach fluorescent? or is it all it the paint.   

started out as mahogany to match the room. then all paint, the artists paint backdrops for the movie industry. also there are NO lights, it is all paint 

 

 

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Wow you doubled my liking this. And after seeing the stain, I think I remember posts on the build now too. But painted mahogany!? If it wasn't so "right" as is, Id have issue with that. Having done mahogany libraries, you don't sand it, you stroke it gently. I couldn't accept the scholarship for theater lighting I earned, had to go with the one for art. I thought the molding might have been gutter lighting, really hard to tell, it looks like planes of peach, and pink light. I didn't want to zoom, and see. It might spoil the memory of this absolutely awesome shoot   

Yes,I've got Fleischmann and Marklin HO from the 60's and 70's. I also have a small collection of modern Marklin I gauge. I've bought some of the MTH O gauge items. I travel to Germany a lot on business and always attend a train show or two and always visit the incredible train shops. Trains are much more popular and visible than in the US. Every German toy shop has a massive model railroad department. It's a whole different world and I like it!

I own plenty of European O gauge/O scale models from Rivarossi/Lima, Lenz and other manufactures. My focus is on Continental European, but not necessarily Central European nor Alpine. Some of the European rolling stock and motive power have been converted from 2-rail to 3-rail, because on Gargraves tracks I can run both systems. Additionally my collection of scratch-built European passenger coaches is growing exponentially. Recently I made a 40" long monumental station building with classic Herman architecture. If someone is interested I can share here few video links dispaying my European trains.

I used to have a OO gauge British layout but I sold all my stuff when we got into 3-Rail O gauge. 

 My youngest son has a few Hornby OO gauge engines such as Flying Scotsman.

We also have the Lionel Hogwarts set and Thomas, Percy and James.

 

I would like to see a Lionel Legacy LNER Mallard. I could go with a ACE or Darstead model. It would be nice though to see what Lionel could do after the nice GWR Hall.

 

Nick

Beta Nu Sigma Phi:

 

Are there any models of Finnish trains, preferably in 0 scale but if not, in any other scale? I don't think I have ever seen any - maybe Marklin or Fleischmann makes them? I've ridden trains in Finland but never seen any models. I took the auto carrier train once up to Rovaniemi and drove back to Helsinki in my Calibra. 

 

The Rautatieasema (Railway Station for the English speakers) in downtown Helsinki is one of my favorite places. I used to walk around the shops a lot. There were some good music shops where you could get a nice variety of Finnish rock and roll. My favorite Finnish bands are Leningrad Cowboys, Kolmas Nainen, Hanoi Rocks, Hurriganes, The Flaming Sideburns, Freud Marx Engels & Jung, Lapinlahden Linnut, Hassisen Kone, and Eppu Normaali. When I was living in Helsinki they also had some great rock and roll TV ads for Koff beer. 

 

By all means post your videos.

You must forgive the lack of a tender but here is the most aged engine I have. A Bing 0-4-0 pulling some Hornby with floral wire. I also have an ETS set, some Exley coaches, Leeds M C and Bassett Lowke. I have some MTH LMS coaches and several Lionel Shakespeare Express and Hogwarts sets. I have yet to get the Albert Hall set but I don't like the lighting set up on the engine it is closer to Hogwarts than Shakespeare. I do really like this stuff and and am on the look out at train shows most people have no idea what it is or is worth I have found.

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Originally Posted by Boomer:

Yes,I've got Fleischmann and Marklin HO from the 60's and 70's. I also have a small collection of modern Marklin I gauge. I've bought some of the MTH O gauge items. I travel to Germany a lot on business and always attend a train show or two and always visit the incredible train shops. Trains are much more popular and visible than in the US. Every German toy shop has a massive model railroad department. It's a whole different world and I like it!

Boomer, since you are familiar with German railroad models, I'd like to ask if there is much available in O scale German narrow gauge.  I've always been fascinated by the German NG lines.

 

I messed around with 2-rail O small-prototype British scale for years, and still have several items of rolling stock that I wanted to keep. The layouts were a typical Brit small-space branchline theme. Continuing in European O scale or HO scale is such an expensive proposition these days, that even Lionel Vision Line prices look attractive. It's no surprise that the vintage Euro market seems pretty busy on that auction site.

 

Over the years I gradually became more tinplate collector-ish, then got myself a Polar Express 0-27 set , then a Lionel docksider, then a MTH EP5, and now enjoy the electro-mechanical chunkiness of modern North American 3-rail.  Operating barrel cars don't go well on sleepy British branchline layouts.

 

My current European interest is chasing down Marklin HO catenary wire to run my EP5 under, as per our helpful forum member's ideas.

 

If there's a layout that makes me want to drop everything and go Euro, it's this one, even though the locomotives are miraculously running with pantographs down.

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Beta Nu Sigma Phi:

 

Are there any models of Finnish trains, preferably in 0 scale but if not, in any other scale?

Yes, there are, but limited editions, some are photo-etched brass kits, some are  bodyshell molds on Roco underframe and some are 3D prints. For Finnish N scale 1:160 models ask www.n-club-finland.org and for Finnish HO scale 1:87 models ask www.fremo.fi but the expert manufacturers in both mentioned scales are www.mestarimallit.com...

Among other European O gauge projects myself I am designing currently Finnish passenger coaches (pikajuna, intercity) and Russian passenger coaches (RepinExpress, TolstoijExpress, TransSiberiaExpress) as frequently observed on the Helsinki Cetral Rwy.St.

...video clips next time!

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Kiitos.
 
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Beta Nu Sigma Phi:

 

Are there any models of Finnish trains, preferably in 0 scale but if not, in any other scale?

Yes, there are, but limited editions, some are photo-etched brass kits, some are  bodyshell molds on Roco underframe and some are 3D prints. For Finnish N scale 1:160 models ask www.n-club-finland.org and for Finnish HO scale 1:87 models ask www.fremo.fi but the expert manufacturers in both mentioned scales are www.mestarimallit.com...

Among other European O gauge projects myself I am designing currently Finnish passenger coaches (pikajuna, intercity) and Russian passenger coaches (RepinExpress, TolstoijExpress, TransSiberiaExpress) as frequently observed on the Helsinki Cetral Rwy.St.

...video clips next time!

 

Originally Posted by Adriatic:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
 If someone is interested I can share here few video links dispaying my European trains.

I think many of us would enjoy that.

On the below video you can see a 2-rail DC analog operated Lima/Rivarossi train and another 3-rail AC conventionally operated train consisting of a converted European diesel and scratch-built EuroFima type passenger coaches of various European state railways. The coaches can be equipped with MTH truck and 3-rail couplers or with Atlas trucks and Darstaed/ACE/Merkur-compatible metallic hook couplers (alternatively also with plastic Lima/Rivarossi-compatible "Buck Eye" couplers).

On the inner track you can see a Finnish diesel with Russial fuel tank cars and Finnish gas tank cars, all scratch-built O gauge...

Now, back to the European passenger coaches, here few explanations about the differences. Roughly there are three lengths of modern European passenger coaches:

- Rivarossi 59cm (approx. 23") exact scale but too long for tight curves

- Lima 48cm (approx. 19") slightly reduced length, fits on O-80 Gargraves curves

- Merkur 42cm (approx. 16½") extremely reduced length, fits on O-72 Lionel curves

- Merkur 39cm (approx.15") pre/post-war coaches, fit on O-63 Gargraves curves

- Darstaed 35cm (approx.13¾") pre/post-war coaches, fit on O-48 Atlas curves

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I prefer 42cm length for my scratch-built projects, because the express trains looks sufficiently realistic while pulling 7 coaches.

Originally Posted by Balshis:
 

Boomer, since you are familiar with German railroad models, I'd like to ask if there is much available in O scale German narrow gauge.  I've always been fascinated by the German NG lines.

 

Fleischmann had a line of On30 trains, their Magic Train line.  Unfortunately I have heard that it has been discontinued, but they can still be found on German Ebay.  I have a nice little side rod diesel switcher from them, and I might get the little 0-4-0 steamer that they did. These smaller narrow gauge trains are often called Feldbahnen. There are also some models of Swiss meter gauge Alpine trains out there.  Back in the 70's Marklin had a line of AC powered On30 trains running on their center stud rail track.  Pretty hard to find those though.

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

Thank you for taking the time to make me smile

The Finnish loco looks great. That was the one I found myself waiting to see again, and again, each time it came around.

On the 8th and 9th page of an old online catalog http://issuu.com/johannis_likos/docs/catalog2011v1

you can see my Finnish scratch-built flatcars and logcars for wood/pulp industries.

On the 10th page of the same catalog you will see my self-designed covered freight cars of the Finnish state railways.

On the 3rd page of another old online catalog http://issuu.com/johannis_likos/docs/catalog2011v2 

you will see the same type of covered freight cars, which have been vandalized to display modern Finnish era.

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Originally Posted by Adriatic:

 When the Engine in the first video dropped its load, ...

The reason is that the MTH coupler failed after pulling 9 heavy metal passenger coaches around an O-72 curve. Naturally the scratch-built full metal tinplate coaches are much heavier than the plastic-mold Rivarossi/Lima coaches. The heavy weight prevents the coaches from derailment when doing rounds 8 hours uninterrupted and continuously in one regular public exposition day. The European engines are made of Rivarossi/Lima bodyshell and MTH underframe+motorization. So, I have learned from this mechanical failure and from now on I let my engines pull only 5 or max. 7 coaches.

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I still have some LGB European-style narrow gauge locomotives (Austrian and one French).

 

I do have a Lionel Hogwarts Express that I acquired piece by piece. I want to add another GWR Hall class 4-6-0 and a couple of GWR-painted cars.

 

I do wish that I'd been in O earlier and had the foresight to buy Lima's BR MK-1 coaches either in BR Maroon or in Great Western livery.

 

I don't know how big the market is for European-style O in general and British-outline O in particular here in North America, but I think Lionel wouldn't have to worry so much about competition as they would in years gone by. The long 2008 (and forwards) recession shut down a lot of British O scale production.

Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:

... Out of curiosity, are you located in the States or Europe? ...

Our location is in the United States of Europe. In our club we play primarily with American toy trains. Additionally I have my own European O gauge collection with rather exotic rolling stock.

Do you display at German shows?  I come to Germany usually every two years to visit my wife's family.  We always go to Düsseldorf and Idar-Oberstein, and sometimes to Cuxhaven and Fürth, near Nürnberg. 

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Added this sweet NOS ETS car to my Euro collection today. In keeping with the rest of my Euro collection the couplers match nothing else I have, part of the fun. These are American style knuckles.

Note it is spotted outside the Cafe de Flores.

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Maybe 8 years ago around Christmas time some drug stores used to have battery powered O scale sets that were made in gauge. The quality was usually very low. I got a SP GP9 led set and this neat DB S-3 pacific that has been mostly painted correctly but for the new road-name. It is a piece but I might try adding some postwar guts and some weight for fun.

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Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:

Do you display at German shows?  

Our club would like to participate 2017 near Frankfurt at the

www.us-convention-brd.de

but the transportation of our massive club layout and our limited resources and budget are a challenge. We have to think about it...

Where is your club located?  We have European Forum members and some of the US/Canadian members do travel to Europe.  I'm sure some here on the Forum would like to see it.

Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:

Do you display at German shows?  

Our club would like to participate 2017 near Frankfurt at the

www.us-convention-brd.de

but the transportation of our massive club layout and our limited resources and budget are a challenge. We have to think about it...

Where is your club located?  We have European Forum members and some of the US/Canadian members do travel to Europe.  I'm sure some here on the Forum would like to see it.

Our club is located at Porvoo in Finland (approx. 40 kilometers/30 minutes drive east of Helsinki on the motorway in direction to St.Petersburg).

In this small province town someone can find an abandoned RR yard with station building and shed of historical heritage architecture.

Our club's video channel is 

https://www.youtube.com/user/P...ModelRailways/videos

Most probably our club will participate mid October at

http://www.nukkekotimessut.fi/suurisnadi/index2.html  

Myself I have two locations, Helsinki/Finland in the north (mostly when working) and Thessalonica/Greece in the south (occasionally when relaxing in my olive garden). 

I intend also to participate at the pre-Xmas model railroad event on November 21st and 22nd in the central Rw. Station of Helsinki, because on this weekend will be officially announced the opening of the Santa Claus season, a special occasion for kids with original Santa riding on real museum steam engine (no fake Hogward).

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Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:

Do you display at German shows?  

Our club would like to participate 2017 near Frankfurt at the

www.us-convention-brd.de

but the transportation of our massive club layout and our limited resources and budget are a challenge. We have to think about it...

Where is your club located?  We have European Forum members and some of the US/Canadian members do travel to Europe.  I'm sure some here on the Forum would like to see it.

Our club is located at Porvoo in Finland (approx. 40 kilometers/30 minutes drive east of Helsinki on the motorway in direction to St.Petersburg).

In this small province town someone can find an abandoned RR yard with station building and shed of historical heritage architecture.

Our club's video channel is 

https://www.youtube.com/user/P...ModelRailways/videos

Most probably our club will participate mid October at

http://www.nukkekotimessut.fi/suurisnadi/index2.html  

Myself I have two locations, Helsinki/Finland in the north (mostly when working) and Thessalonica/Greece in the south (occasionally when relaxing in my olive garden). 

I intend also to participate at the pre-Xmas model railroad event on November 21st and 22nd in the central Rw. Station of Helsinki, because on this weekend will be officially announced the opening of the Santa Claus season, a special occasion for kids with original Santa riding on real museum steam engine (no fake Hogward).

Ah, I should have guessed.   It is good to see that this hobby is enjoyed in Finland too.  Your club has a nice layout.  The museum operation looks interesting too.

 

BTW, where I live in Northern Michigan, are many descendants of Finnish immigrants.  Some towns have Finnish names. 

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Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by BetaNuSigmaPhi:
Originally Posted by John23:

Do you display at German shows?  

Our club would like to participate 2017 near Frankfurt at the

www.us-convention-brd.de

but the transportation of our massive club layout and our limited resources and budget are a challenge. We have to think about it...

Where is your club located?  We have European Forum members and some of the US/Canadian members do travel to Europe.  I'm sure some here on the Forum would like to see it.

Our club is located at Porvoo in Finland (approx. 40 kilometers/30 minutes drive east of Helsinki on the motorway in direction to St.Petersburg).

In this small province town someone can find an abandoned RR yard with station building and shed of historical heritage architecture.

Our club's video channel is 

https://www.youtube.com/user/P...ModelRailways/videos

Most probably our club will participate mid October at

http://www.nukkekotimessut.fi/suurisnadi/index2.html  

Myself I have two locations, Helsinki/Finland in the north (mostly when working) and Thessalonica/Greece in the south (occasionally when relaxing in my olive garden). 

I intend also to participate at the pre-Xmas model railroad event on November 21st and 22nd in the central Rw. Station of Helsinki, because on this weekend will be officially announced the opening of the Santa Claus season, a special occasion for kids with original Santa riding on real museum steam engine (no fake Hogward).

Ah, I should have guessed.   It is good to see that this hobby is enjoyed in Finland too.  Your club has a nice layout.  The museum operation looks interesting too.

 

BTW, where I live in Northern Michigan, are many descendants of Finnish immigrants.  Some towns have Finnish names. 

My great-grandfather was from Hancock, MI, the home of Finlandia University, formerly known as Suomi College, and many Finns immigrated there to work in copper mining. There was a lot of interesting railroading there, some of it narrow gauge, much of it supporting the mining industry.

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Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Curiously, people of Finnish heritage in Upper Michigan are known as "Finlanders" rather than Finns. The version of Finnish spoken there is archaic, reflecting the lack of contact with the mother country since the wave of immigration in the 19th century. 

There is still a distinctive accent in the Central UP several generations later.  I lived in a town with a large Finnish population and picked it up.  Still have a bit of it yet.

 

One of the narrow gauge locos still operates in the summer, at Lake Linden.  Three others still exist at Hancock.  One original mining railroad still operates, the Lake Superior & Ishpeming.

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Originally Posted by Alibatwomble:

These two arrived today, they are Lima 2 rail that were made in Italy back in the 1970's & have been converted to 3 rail 12vdc.Are very light weight so will have to add some lead. L.M.S.4F's

Those are nice engines.  I like the buildings in the background too, scratch-built or kits?

Originally Posted by Southwest Hiawatha:

Curiously, people of Finnish heritage in Upper Michigan are known as "Finlanders" rather than Finns. The version of Finnish spoken there is archaic, reflecting the lack of contact with the mother country since the wave of immigration in the 19th century. 

To confuse even more...

- Finnish speaking Finns (like Savonians, Carelians, etc.) --> Suomalainen...

- Swedish speaking Finns (in coastal area like Vaasa and on Baltic islands) --> Finlander...

- Sami speaking Finns (from Lapland/Lapponia/Lappi) --> official Santa Claus Land

- Gipsy/Roma with varying Finnish dialect

 

Over generations skilled Finnish ex-patriats settled in industrial areas of North-America on both sides along the Canadian border, like mineral mines, wood mills, pulp industries, steel mills, etc., where branchline and narrow gauge railroad was involved.

This is also one reason for the existence of our model RR club: to honor the Finns who helped building America's industry.

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 Being a bit more like home, it was a natural fit climate wise for the people of the more northern European nations to settle in the north.

Pines, Pike and its big brother the Muskie , similar game, and sandy soil for rye didn't hurt the Great Lakes chances of becoming home for many of them either.

 

But mainly I think they came for lots of wood to heat the sauna with.

 

   

   

Originally Posted by lewrail:

Hi John,

 

Obviously we must be twins separated at birth.  Who else besides us has the Hornby

P. Elizabeth, the Ace Mallard, a bunch of MTH PCC trolleys, and a Western Hobbycraft trolley to boot.

 

Lewrail

 

 

Hello, Lew; you won't remember this, but you generously assisted me in evaluating that PE when I bought it at York in October, 2001. Thanks again! The PCCs are by Corgi.

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Originally Posted by lewrail:

Woops. I see it's the Golden Eagle not the Mallard. Did you get the full Golden Eagle passenger set?  Here is another photo of my European madness.

 

Lewrail

 

 

Lew, I got it as part of the Coronation Special set, which I bought through Weaver when they represented AceTrains.

02D East Wall Large View

 

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Originally Posted by John23:
Originally Posted by daylight:

Yes, I do.

 

 

Beautiful engine!!!  You should include the photo in the body of the post, so everyone can see it easier.

 

Thank you John.  Wasn't sure how to do that and agree with your comment.

 

Still waiting for the completion of DCC and sound install; taking much longer that I had hoped for.

Originally Posted by EBT Jim:

I *believe* lots of people around the world model US railroads/railroading. I was just looking at a real nice model railroad by a guy in Sweden ... a UP western US layout with AC44's and such.

 

But, do many Americans run trains from another land? MTH sells them, right?

I don't know if I would call it "modeling" European trains but I'm about to purchase the Orient Express set from MTH as these are things of absolute beauty. And we've always intendEd to make our smaller layout town have that Teutonic/European feel to it. I find the structures, cobblestone streets and squares to be so picturesque. 

 

Peter

Hi Jay Jay and others.  Yes, I see your Corgi trolleys, and am happy to report that I

have 6 of them on my shelves.

 

Naturally I am happiest with my Hornby, Bassett Lowke, and Bing British trains, but

I'd like to put in a plug for Lionel's Shakespeare Express (son of Hogwarts).  The heavy die cast locomotive runs well and the whistle certainly captures the spirit of the GWR. Purists will question the scale, but I find that the locomotive works beautifully pulling

the Hornby #2 Corridor coaches.  Enjoy the photos.

 

Lewrail

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For those of you who plan to visit Europe here is compiled a list of sources (organizations, publications, clubs, forums, etc.) in various E.U. countries...

 

DENMARK 

http://www.spor0.dk/da/klubber.html

http://omjk.dk/web/index.php

FRANCE

http://www.cercleduzero.fr/

GERMANY

http://www.argespur0.de/

http://forum2.argespur0.de/forum2/viewforum.php?f=9

http://www.spurnull.de/

http://www.alte-spur-0.de/

http://www.0ec-koeln.de/

http://www.busecker-spur-0-tage.de/1.html

http://www.012-express.com/

http://www.spurnull-magazin.de/

http://www.fremo-net.eu/moduls...oesse-0/0-regelspur/

LUXEMBURG

http://www.amfl.net/

NETHERLANDS

http://home.kpn.nl/rkievit1956...weekeinde/index.html

http://nulspoor.blogspot.se/

SWITZERLAND

http://www.spur-0-expo.ch/

http://www.fremo-net.eu/moduls...ur-0-in-der-schweiz/

UNITED KINGDOM

http://www.gauge0guild.com/

http://www.classicogauge.net/forum/index.php

 

Sorry, if dealers/retailers/distributors/manufacturers are excluded, because I tried to avoid overloading this list with adverisements. Also Z, N, TT, HO, S, 1, G sources are excluded from this list.

This list is just attempt to map specifically the European coarse scale O gauge (vintage and modern tinplate) and O scale (1:43,5 and 1:45) situation, which can be extended by any forum member, if you happen to have some more European sources.

Please, keep in mind to get in contact with the mentioned clubs in advance and ask for an appointment, because most of them are small clubs in private premises with irregular opening hours. Some of the clubs attend at scheduled public events during weekends.

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Umm...yes. Rivarossi and Lima...so far. 

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I find European trains, and German ones in particular, fascinating...they are so very different from what we are used to here in the States.

And I believe they have the art of scenery down as good, if not better, than most of us here. Just look at any one of the numerous "YouTube" videos...

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As I think I may have mentioned in another thread, this "lok" came to me with missing buffers, and only one powered truck, and that was not running.

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I had some left over stuff from a Fairbanks Morse project, and was able to swap out and power both trucks. I wired them together to enlarge the electrical "footprint", and now this old gal runs as well as any of my other engines (Atlas and Weaver, all Pittman powered), using less current and is actually quieter! I used short roofing nails for the buffers. Have begun to enhance the details somewhat:

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There's only so much I'll be able to do, what with the truck-mounted couplers. Am waiting on some proper size wire to replace the large handrails below the windscreens.

Since this is (currently) my only German loco, I'm able to focus on it exclusively and hopefully will end up with a half-way decent model when I'm "done".

Mark in Oregon

PS:...just wish I could do something with those awful couplers...

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Miketg posted:

Hi everyone,

Miketg posted:

Hi everyone,

It has been a while since I have posted any photos or pictures of my 0 scale German layout Georgenstadt, so here it goes. Miketg

Nice, I see you are running 2-rail O-scale era mixed era (loco from era V and scenery vehicles era III).

Some time ago I was running 2-rail and 3-rail European trains on the same outdoor layout...

...and indoor, too...

Here are my old catalogs, which give an overview of my own limited edition production, all handcrafted...

https://issuu.com/johannis_likos/docs/catalog2015v2

https://issuu.com/johannis_likos/docs/catalog2015v1

While running modern European trains, I prefer plenty of coaches in reduced length than few coaches in true scale length.

BetaNuSigmaPhi posted:
tcox009 posted:

I have a number of CW Hornby and bassett lowke items which I run

...look also for Hachette Hornby O gauge tinplate replicas...

The lithography of Hachette looks good but further they are flimsy build and the clockwork mechanism (which has plastic parts) is weak. I would not recommend these and go for the real Hornby.

Regards

Fred

jay jay posted:

Here is the layout of one of the heirs of Ferdinand Porsche, located in southern Germany. It appears to be O Gauge stud-rail, but I may be wrong. I think it is open to the public.

 

 

No, it is HO with Märklin tracks, you will notice the crocodile teeth in the middle of the tracks, which are for AC power, instead of the center rail as we know from O gauge 3-rail.

Thank you everyone for the kind comments. The buildings are all scratch built and some of my techniques were published in OGR in the mid 90's. The locomotive was made by Huebner about 35 years ago but the repaint is fairly recent. All the coaches are old Rivarossi stock with cardboard interiors made in Germany in the late 90's. They take a while to assemble but are well worth it. Most of my rolling stock is epoch 3 but I also have lots of items from epoch 2 to contemporary models. It had been a while since I had run the Rivarossi coaches behind a powerful locomotive. If any of you read Continental Modeller, the layout was in the January issue.

Miketg

Miketg posted:

Thank you everyone for the kind comments. The buildings are all scratch built and some of my techniques were published in OGR in the mid 90's. The locomotive was made by Huebner about 35 years ago but the repaint is fairly recent. All the coaches are old Rivarossi stock with cardboard interiors made in Germany in the late 90's. They take a while to assemble but are well worth it. Most of my rolling stock is epoch 3 but I also have lots of items from epoch 2 to contemporary models. It had been a while since I had run the Rivarossi coaches behind a powerful locomotive. If any of you read Continental Modeller, the layout was in the January issue.

Miketg

Huebner is superior quality, like Lenz, Kiss, Demko, Fulgurex, etc.

Yes, I know well Continental Modeller, an interesting British railway magazine for Continental European and Overseas train modelers, in which have been published in the past few of my articles:

1. ”The OSE A-550 series diesel”, Continental Modeller, issue Feb. 1998, page 66-69, Peco Publications
2. “OSE H.560 CLASS”, Continental Modeller, issue Dec. 2000, page 512-515, Peco Publications
3. “Slovak second class and couchette coaches”, Continental Modeller, issue Aug. 2004, page 484-488, Peco Publications

For subscriptions look here: http://www.pecopublications.co...nental-modeller.html

sncf231e posted:
BetaNuSigmaPhi posted:
tcox009 posted:

I have a number of CW Hornby and bassett lowke items which I run

...look also for Hachette Hornby O gauge tinplate replicas...

The lithography of Hachette looks good but further they are flimsy build and the clockwork mechanism (which has plastic parts) is weak. I would not recommend these and go for the real Hornby.

Regards

Fred

The clockwork gears inside can be always replaced by MTH/Lionel motorization, no problem, not at all.  Yesterday I received my very 1st Hachette wind-up clockwork electric loco and it is great, just great, you'll love it! Any way, together with Hachette litho cars queued in a row  at the platform of MTH's Leipzig passenger station, which is by the way a Märklin vintage replica, would look great, just great, trust me. I have seen a photo where a guy disassembled the tinplate body of two Hachette PO-type locos (http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/hachette/24.jpg) and made out of them a nice huge French S.N.C.F. 242.BE.I-type (http://www.apmfs.fr/242be1.html), just great, you'll love it!

rattler21 posted:

WW II German box car

In 1960, we unloaded two Cadillac chassis in Italy bound for Pina Farina onto flat cars with a small shack for the messenger.  The shack was similar to the one on this box car.  John

Maybe it looked like this? This is an Italian 3-rail 0-gauge car made by Elettren of Italy.

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Regards

Fred

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I have the MTH Orient Express Set pulled by the 2-3-1 Chappeon.  I really do not like the O43; however, I was on many trains in France in the 50's and 60's with most pulled by steam and I will never forget all the steam including my looking down the stack while the engine went under the walk bridge.  My mother got upset with my appearance after that introduction to cinders.  My German friend who lives near the French southeastern boarder has his entire attic covered with every model of UP power. 

Between 1960ies and the 1980ies almost until the end of the former Yugoslavia I have frequently traveled on the Orient Express route. I recommend to watch the Agatha Christie and James Bond movies covering this topic.

I noticed some difference between European 3-rail O gauge and 2-rail O scale models, because some are 1:43.5 (mainly in UK) and others 1:45 (more in Continental Europe). For more details read the product description in the manufacturer's catalog. Here is the official standardization paper: http://www.morop.org/de/normes/nem010_d.pdf

Um...kinda....."The People's Porsche" IMG_20170406_113900

O Gauge Bug-In #1 never stopped. About 80% of my layout vehicles are vintage Euro builds; mostly VW; some "modified" for race  Note the blue Tonka Kübelwagen/ "Thing"? 

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And this toy caboose is under gauge but works. I always thought it looked like a curved European roof vs N. American. I wish I could find another bobber set from its maker (who?).

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Hopefully, some day, an early Italian Ganz electric or Mountain Crocodile will bite me and I'll be able to say "@#%© yea I do"....then I can think about a Garrett or German steam.

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Just to inform you, if you are a really extreme European train modeler, that there are many ways to model and to run European trains in O gauge (3-rail ''coarse'' scale) and in O scale (real scale in Continental Europe 1:45). Here are the possible options which can be combined on your European layout:

1. tinplate and vintage toy trains (Hachette, Paya, Merkur, Hornby, etc.) [seen in toy museums]

2. low budget train models from the 1980ies (Lima, Rivarossi) [look in old catalogs]

3. downloaded STL files, probably re-scaled, 3D printed and assembled train models, examples...

   a. Swedish electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2274141

   

   b. Russian electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:567332

      

   c. Dutch freight car https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1609559

       

   d. German electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2004062

   

4. high quality train models (Lenz, Kiss, Demko, MTH) [visit their web sites]

5. design yourself in 3D CAD (I use OpenSCAD www.openscad.org) the bodyshell of your preferred model of  exported or license-built U.S./Canadian diesel locomotives, such as ALCo, GM-EMD, GE, MLW, etc., which have operated or still are operating on the European continent. For the motorization just use ready robust mechanism from MTH (RailKing or Premier). In other words: you can play European model railroading with American motive power. Here is a list of possibilities for your inspiration...

   a. hood diesels and switchers

       ALCO RSD-1 (Russia)

       ALCO DL-532B/RS-8 (Greece)

       ALCo DL-535S (Spain)

       ALCo DL-543 (Greece)

       ALCo RSC-3 (Portugal)

       GE UM-10B (Spain & Greece)

       GM GL-12CU (Spain)

       GM G-16 (Spain, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, etc.)

       GM G-22U (Slovenia)

       MLW MX-620 (Portugal)

       MLW MX-626 (Serbia)

       MLW MX-627 (Greece)

       MLW MX-636 (Greece)

   b. heavy end-cab diesels

        ALCo DL-500A (Spain)

        ALCo DL-500C (Spain & Greece)

        ALCo DL-500S (Spain)

        GM ME class 1501-1531 EMD 16-645E3B (Denmark)

        GM NOHAB (originally in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, later also other regions)

        GM J-16CW (Spain)

        GM  J-16CW-AC (Spain)

        GM MZ-1 / JT-26CW (Denmark & Spain)

        GM J-26CW-SS/HEP (Spain)

        MLW MXS-627 (Portugal)

Probably there are much more examples, but I got tired to list them down. Any way, to conclude, you don't need always to buy ready-to-run and off-the-shelf models to run European trains and certainly you don't need always Alpine nor Central European theme. Mediterranean or Scandinavian does it just fine.

BetaNuSigmaPhi posted:

Just to inform you, if you are a really extreme European train modeler, that there are many ways to model and to run European trains in O gauge (3-rail ''coarse'' scale) and in O scale (real scale in Continental Europe 1:45). Here are the possible options which can be combined on your European layout:

1. tinplate and vintage toy trains (Hachette, Paya, Merkur, Hornby, etc.) [seen in toy museums]

2. low budget train models from the 1980ies (Lima, Rivarossi) [look in old catalogs]

3. downloaded STL files, probably re-scaled, 3D printed and assembled train models, examples...

   a. Swedish electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2274141

   

   b. Russian electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:567332

      

   c. Dutch freight car https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1609559

       

   d. German electric locomotive https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2004062

   

4. high quality train models (Lenz, Kiss, Demko, MTH) [visit their web sites]

5. design yourself in 3D CAD (I use OpenSCAD www.openscad.org) the bodyshell of your preferred model of  exported or license-built U.S./Canadian diesel locomotives, such as ALCo, GM-EMD, GE, MLW, etc., which have operated or still are operating on the European continent. For the motorization just use ready robust mechanism from MTH (RailKing or Premier). In other words: you can play European model railroading with American motive power. Here is a list of possibilities for your inspiration...

   a. hood diesels and switchers

       ALCO RSD-1 (Russia)

       ALCO DL-532B/RS-8 (Greece)

       ALCo DL-535S (Spain)

       ALCo DL-543 (Greece)

       ALCo RSC-3 (Portugal)

       GE UM-10B (Spain & Greece)

       GM GL-12CU (Spain)

       GM G-16 (Spain, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, etc.)

       GM G-22U (Slovenia)

       MLW MX-620 (Portugal)

       MLW MX-626 (Serbia)

       MLW MX-627 (Greece)

       MLW MX-636 (Greece)

   b. heavy end-cab diesels

        ALCo DL-500A (Spain)

        ALCo DL-500C (Spain & Greece)

        ALCo DL-500S (Spain)

        GM ME class 1501-1531 EMD 16-645E3B (Denmark)

        GM NOHAB (originally in Sweden, Norway and Denmark, later also other regions)

        GM J-16CW (Spain)

        GM  J-16CW-AC (Spain)

        GM MZ-1 / JT-26CW (Denmark & Spain)

        GM J-26CW-SS/HEP (Spain)

        MLW MXS-627 (Portugal)

Probably there are much more examples, but I got tired to list them down. Any way, to conclude, you don't need always to buy ready-to-run and off-the-shelf models to run European trains and certainly you don't need always Alpine nor Central European theme. Mediterranean or Scandinavian does it just fine.

The Great Northern TMY was painted for a movie shot in Sweden by Danish director Lars Trier many years ago. It was run for many years after in that colour. I dont know if it still running. There was another Loco a Swedish T43 painted in GN colours for the same film and its still running in those colours.

Good morning everyone, 

Just thought I would add a couple of Fotos of some recent builds, seems I am in a building mode the last couple of months. The first is an open ended Langenschwalbacher DB coach built from an EMA kit with detail parts from Klaus Krapp. The second is a simple Austrian flat that I picked up at Giessen last year and added an Austrian military load to.

Miketg

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BetaNuSigmaPhi posted:
Deuce posted:

If anyone knows where one could aquire a British Rail Class 23 (Baby Deltic), I'd be most appreciative.

BRC23

who is the manufacturer? Heljan or who else? I know an O gauge collector, who owns the longer 6-axled British Deltic...

 

Yes, Heljan. Was find able to find a UK hobby site that had it in OO gauge.

Miketg posted:

Great locomotive Mark. Now you need some Rivarossi full length passenger cars to go behind it! Miketg

There are four choices for Continental European passenger coaches...

1st choice: German coaches with 10 or 12 compartment windows from past millenium Rivarossi plastic mold production in full length scale 600 millimeters long (approx. 23", you need O-72 or better O-80 curves) http://www.tcawestern.org/rivarossi.htm

2nd choice: German coaches with 9 compartment windows from past millenium Lima plastic mold production in reduced length 530 millimeters long (approx. 20", , you need O-54 or better O-63 curves)

 

3rd choice: Orient Express coaches from modern MTH plastic mold production in full length 540 millimeters long (approx. 21", according to catalog information you need O-72 curves) equipped with  Lionel/MTH or ACE/Darstaed or Lenz couplers alternatively (https://mthtrains.com/sites/de...ction/20ps11680i.pdf)

4th choice: quasi-Eurofima-type coaches from my own modern tinplate production in reduced length 420 millimeters long (approx. 17", have been tested on O-72 curves) equipped with multiple coupler variations (Lima/Rivarossi or Lionel/MTH or ACE/Darstaed or whatever), as you can see on the following videos...

The Heljan O Gauge (2-rail) are sold in Britain through Howes Models in Kidlington, near Oxford.

I visited them last year when I was at Oxford University for a month. I remember posting some photos in Friday Photos, around late June 2016.

Their website is  https://www.howesmodels.co.uk/

The link to their Heljan page is

https://www.howesmodels.co.uk/subcat/Heljan%20UK

While not on their website, they often have shells with small blemishes, broken parts, etc. I would send them an email .

Most of the engines run about $700 US + shipping + duty.

Lad

 

BetaNuSigmaPhi posted

2nd choice: German coaches with 9 compartment windows from past millenium Lima plastic mold production ....

 

 

Actually the Lima coach is a model of an Italian coach, though with a few simplifications / modifications, notably changing the roof ventilators to the German pattern.  The trucks are also simplified representations of the trucks for that car too;  regrettably Lima used them under all their 0 coaches, even the British ones.   See attached page from a mid sixties Fiat railway vehicle catalogue.  

Best regards, SZ

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BetaNuSigmaPhi posted

2nd choice: German coaches with 9 compartment windows from past millenium Lima plastic mold production ....

 

 

Actually the Lima coach is a model of an Italian coach, though with a few simplifications / modifications, notably changing the roof ventilators to the German pattern.  The trucks are also simplified representations of the trucks for that car too;  regrettably Lima used them under all their 0 coaches, even the British ones.   See attached page from a mid sixties Fiat railway vehicle catalogue.  

Best regards, SZ

Nice picture, do you have any book title or ISBN number? Of course, in my O gauge collection I have also Swiss and French Lima coaches. Lima used two different types of trucks (something like vintage Orient Express style and modern style, I don't remember exactly) for the O gauge passenger cars...

BetaNuSigmaPhi posted

Nice picture, do you have any book title or ISBN number? Of course, in my O gauge collection I have also Swiss and French Lima coaches. Lima used two different types of trucks (something like vintage Orient Express style and modern style, I don't remember exactly) for the O gauge passenger cars...

-  The book is titled "Fiat Materiale Ferrotranviario";  it was published by Fiat as a catalogue for general information of their rail products since 1945 to the publication date, whenever that was, as a marketing tool;  it was Fiat Publication [ "Stampato"] Nr 2134.

-  I have been collecting Lima 0 gauge since about 1979 and have a fairly comprehensive collection, and I have never seen a Lima 0 gauge passenger car in this range  that was not factory-fitted with these trucks.  I have however seen these vehicles with other trucks substituted for operation on tinplate track [ although just substituting Lionel postwar wheelsets in the Lima truck frames works equally well ].  I am also aware that over the years there have been modellers who have made for sale alternate sideframes for the Lima coaches, for example the SNCF Y24 type for use under French vehicles.

-  If you do an internet search for "  Carrelli FS tipo 24  " you should find a nice dimensioned diagram of the 'Lima' truck as well as other Italian bogie types.

With best regards,

SZ

Steinzeit posted:
BetaNuSigmaPhi posted

Nice picture, do you have any book title or ISBN number? Of course, in my O gauge collection I have also Swiss and French Lima coaches. Lima used two different types of trucks (something like vintage Orient Express style and modern style, I don't remember exactly) for the O gauge passenger cars...

-  The book is titled "Fiat Materiale Ferrotranviario";  it was published by Fiat as a catalogue for general information of their rail products since 1945 to the publication date, whenever that was, as a marketing tool;  it was Fiat Publication [ "Stampato"] Nr 2134.

-  I have been collecting Lima 0 gauge since about 1979 and have a fairly comprehensive collection, and I have never seen a Lima 0 gauge passenger car in this range  that was not factory-fitted with these trucks.  I have however seen these vehicles with other trucks substituted for operation on tinplate track [ although just substituting Lionel postwar wheelsets in the Lima truck frames works equally well ].  I am also aware that over the years there have been modellers who have made for sale alternate sideframes for the Lima coaches, for example the SNCF Y24 type for use under French vehicles.

-  If you do an internet search for "  Carrelli FS tipo 24  " you should find a nice dimensioned diagram of the 'Lima' truck as well as other Italian bogie types.

With best regards,

SZ

Thanks for the valuable information.

In the vintage Lima catalogs we can find depicted coaches, which may (or not) be missing from the collection:

page 77-81 catalog http://mmiwakoh.de/Eigene%20Webs/PDFLima1976.pdf

Here is the original truckframe with plastic wheels of an O scale full length Rivarossi passenger coach, which can be replaced against heavier massive metal and diecast parts...

Full length coaches are good for shelf display or to operate point-to-point on a modular layout, but for suitable for oval layout with narrow curves.

BetaNuSigmaPhi posted

Thanks for the valuable information.

In the vintage Lima catalogs we can find depicted coaches, which may (or not) be missing from the collection:

page 77-81 catalog http://mm.........

Lima did produce all of the 0 gauge items shown in that catalogue -- I have them all.  However, because they produced many -- perhaps all, I never checked -- of the "same" models in HO and/or N, they often used the illustrations of those models in the 0 gauge catalogue section. [  I know, it's difficult to imagine a reputable manufacturer / importer doing that.........  . ]   A good case in point are the 6671 /72, which have Y24-ish trucks under them in the illustrations;  other examples are refrigerator cars with ribbed sides.

Hope that helps.

Best, SZ

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I do have a couple of the Rivarossi cars:

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These both came with the "V215". I can only guess they were part of a set (#7000, I believe).

Very pretty, LONG (23 3/8" over diaphragms), and I only wish they had come to me with the interiors.

I find this era (1970s) of 0 scale Rivarossi models to be very nicely done. The locos run smoothly and are very quiet, and the freight "wagons" are also nicely detailed. They are superior, in my opinion anyway, to the Lima line of the same vintage (although the Lima freight cars are perfectly adequate, just a bit less detailed...)

Mark in Oregon

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When I first got into G scale I was already an o scaler. I had considered modeling American with G, but it made more sense to use G for strictly Euro modeling, as I already had a fair amount of American equipment in O.

That said, I started out all over the map with G scale, but now I try to focus on the RhB and the HSB, so I can run steam and electric.

So for me it's O scale for American prototypes, and G scale for Euro.

Trainman2 posted:

When I first got into G scale I was already an o scaler. I had considered modeling American with G, but it made more sense to use G for strictly Euro modeling, as I already had a fair amount of American equipment in O.

That said, I started out all over the map with G scale, but now I try to focus on the RhB and the HSB, so I can run steam and electric.

So for me it's O scale for American prototypes, and G scale for Euro.

Me and myself we play with European rolling stock in O and G...

...here is the proof: bodyshells of two 3D-printed Romanian end-cab diesel engines to be painted in Greek colors...

Craiova

I'd love to find a couple of cars in O scale narrow gauge (Oe, they call what in the US is called On30) for German prototypes.

As I model a RR operating unit during WW2 on a stateside line, I think it'd be interesting to throw a European car into a Army train, painted in OD green or black with Army markings, much like they actually did near the end of the war and afterward at Ft Eustis, VA. It'd make for an interesting wrinkle in an op session...

I prefer my LGB 1:22.5 Austrian, Swiss and German meter gauge models. The original LGB was made of a high-grade BASF polymer called Luran-S, which is very durable under extreme weather conditions. The paints were also high quality UV resistant. The Richter family knew how to build them right. The Hungarian LGB does not use Luran-S, so they are different products than the German production at Saganer Strasse. They do, however, look and run well, and I have some of the Marklin LGB.

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