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prrhorseshoecurve posted:
Rule292 posted:

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

E3sd... Egad man! Who manufactured a PRR E3 sd in O scale? I only am aware of the Gem F3!

Nobody made one... yet!   

Sadly PRR steam is dead though one could still hope for the unique E3 with the rigid trailing, truck, a nice little PRR ten wheeler or the venerable PRR 1223.

Think more than one or two of us would buy a pre-1940's PRR steamer? 

Rule292 posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:
Rule292 posted:

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

E3sd... Egad man! Who manufactured a PRR E3 sd in O scale? I only am aware of the Gem F3!

Nobody made one... yet!   

Sadly PRR steam is dead though one could still hope for the unique E3 with the rigid trailing, truck, a nice little PRR ten wheeler or the venerable PRR 1223.

Think more than one or two of us would buy a pre-1940's PRR steamer? 

Ain't nobody buying little steamers these days, regardless of prototype. Too costly. For a bit more you can buy a Brobdingnagian steamer that requires 200" radius curves to run, or a really big shelf.

My thoughts too originally went to a PRR Atlantic rather than an EMD shovel nose.  I suppose this only confirms us as SPF's.  Understandable, because this diesel was among the few not rostered by PRR.  But an O-Scale EMD E6 would be a beautiful thing to see, especially as I remember them on the SAL, ACL and FEC while on the platform at Jacksonville FL terminal now too many years ago.

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

To the question about PRR, "Pennsylvania Rail Road", at one time the largest corporation in the country and one that managed to pay dividends thoughout the Great Depression.

On the E3 and related E2 PRR Atlantics, there have been none imported that I am aware of.    Max Grey did a decent model in my opionion of the 4-4-0 1223 that can still be found quite often at O scale shows.    I have one that I run regularly.    I installed a DCC decoder.     The famous PRR 10 wheeler - the G5 was done by Max Grey and possibly again by USH hobbies and definitely again by Sunset (before they added 3rd rail to the name).    These are also quite common at O scale shows.     Sunset also did an E6 and an H9 at the same time.  Sunset 3RD Rail fairly recently redid the E6 (atlantic) in a factory painted version.

There are still some of us that buy steam models!    However, less and less are being imported but previously owned ones are available in large numbers at O Scale Shows.

TrainBub posted:

After a modest delay, mine are scheduled to be delivered this Tuesday. Scott always delivers some real beauties. I will receive MP and IC. I was going to sell my MTH IC “City of Miami” to make room for new additions but decided it was just too pretty. 

Some new fun coming.

😬🤗

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Trainbub, thanks for sharing the images. Is that an image of the upcoming Sunset 3rd rail IC E6 in Panama Limited colors?. If so, where did you find the pictures? 

I assume Scott would have posted images as the E6's should be close to delivery.

 

Thanks

Charlie

Hi Charlie

Yes. Sunset image of IC “Panama”.  No “ published”images.  From Scott awhile back as a kind gesture in exchanges of emails. I’ve sat on. Now - With models beginning to show up on our doorsteps, I thought it now ok to share. I expect Tuesday delivery at latest. Im in Houston so One might anticipate west coast deliveries even sooner. I can’t wait to see pix of ALL the different roads. 

My regret is I won’t get to run them for some time as my “empire” is coming down for a move from Houston to St. Louis. 

TrainBub 🙂🥔

Bob Harris posted:
justin p posted:

that illinois central e6  is beautiful!

Regarding the MP E6 versions, Please contact off the list for issues with the B unit if you are interested. Scott is aware of the issues.  The a unit is Out standing.

Bob

Bob

I’ll be interested in any “issues”☹️   Sorry.   I’m not on the boards very often so ............ how do I contact off the list? TrainBub 

 

 

 

Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve Adby posted:
Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve;

Wish I could be of more help but I'm not able to post pictures at this time.  The E6 is the as delivered model (my saying "Definitely not as delivered" was misleading as I meant "not as detailed as I had understood it would be").  As to your 1950's era, the engine has a single headlight rather than two, no numeral board above the windshield and no roof air deflectors...all of which would be on a mid fifties unit.  I don't know if 3rd rail offered those options.  If they didn't, you will be getting a pre 1945 version.  That said, for my era, it is a handsome beast and my concerns could be corrected by a good modeler.

Allan

Allan E posted:
Steve Adby posted:
Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve;

Wish I could be of more help but I'm not able to post pictures at this time.  The E6 is the as delivered model (my saying "Definitely not as delivered" was misleading as I meant "not as detailed as I had understood it would be").  As to your 1950's era, the engine has a single headlight rather than two, no numeral board above the windshield and no roof air deflectors...all of which would be on a mid fifties unit.  I don't know if 3rd rail offered those options.  If they didn't, you will be getting a pre 1945 version.  That said, for my era, it is a handsome beast and my concerns could be corrected by a good modeler.

Allan

Hi Allan

Many thanks for the reply.

I did wonder if I’d get the ‘bells and whistles’ but it IS such a handsome beast and in my own happy world I can live with it as it is!

Happy modelling!

Has anybody else taken delivery of any E6s (for any roads) they can post pics of please.

Thanks.

Yes, most of the E6s were done in the Early configurations. Otherwise there were too many variations, even among the same road name. Here's a post of the Production Sample SFWB. Yes, those are nickel plated brass plate inserts on the sides top to bottom both A and B Units. 2 Rail Coupler Pilot shown, Closed Pilot in the box (2 Rail). One little surprise I forgot to mention, we placed buffer beams in the parts baggie of each model (A Unit). They slip onto the Anti-climbers for added realism. Some roads had them, some didn't but we included them in each box.

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sdmann posted:

Yes, most of the E6s were done in the Early configurations. Otherwise there were too many variations, even among the same road name. Here's a post of the Production Sample SFWB. Yes, those are nickel plated brass plate inserts on the sides top to bottom both A and B Units. 2 Rail Coupler Pilot shown, Closed Pilot in the box (2 Rail). One little surprise I forgot to mention, we placed buffer beams in the parts baggie of each model (A Unit). They slip onto the Anti-climbers for added realism. Some roads had them, some didn't but we included them in each box.

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Looks great Scott!

Many thanks for the post.

Steve

Carey Williams posted:

Someone was asking about a PRR E3  Atlantic ....  Fred Icken made at least one of them  circa 1934... double gear reduction ..runs sweet . ... not bad for pushing 85...

[In the voice of Ted Levine, from The Fast and the Furious]  "...It's the gear ratio, Brian.  It always has been the gear ratio."

Just received a set of AA Chicago & North Western E6's. I have not run them yet, but the decoration is fantastic! Thanks Scott, Jonathan. My only regret is that I could not also get the Illinois Central units. Now we just need some cars to pull with these engines...

 

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The last image is of C&NW E6 5005 B in Minneapolis - St. Paul. Photo by Ron V. Nixon.

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Why do you guys keep intruding into this thread with posts about steam locomotives????

This is obviously a thread about the new Sunset E6 DIESELS !

Perhaps someone should start a new post as these beauties are received by their owners with photos and comments and please don't muddy the waters with comments about the steamers...

c.sam posted:

Why do you guys keep intruding into this thread with posts about steam locomotives????

This is obviously a thread about the new Sunset E6 DIESELS !

Perhaps someone should start a new post as these beauties are received by their owners with photos and comments and please don't muddy the waters with comments about the steamers...

Sam, not really obviously clear.  The OP should have titled this thread "Sunset E6 Diesels."

To us Pennsy fans we know and see this "E6" title as a Pennsy Atlantic.  The most famous of Number 460 the Lindbergh  train with the movie film of his return where in the film was processed on the train whole in route.  Another canister was flown then processed upon arrival.  The trains film was first to be viewed.

Ron

Sorry Sam!  But I think what I posted is applicable to the Sunset diesels too.  Sound engineering design, such as a conservative gear ratio suitable for a scale model, will stand the test of time.  Unlike the gimmicky electronics used by other manufacturers to force their cheap and tiny motors to run at very low RPMs.  The Sunset diesels have a real "drive."  Fred Icken had the right idea, quality beats gimmicks every time!

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Charlie posted:

Just received a set of AA Chicago & North Western E6's. I have not run them yet, but the decoration is fantastic! Thanks Scott, Jonathan. My only regret is that I could not also get the Illinois Central units. Now we just need some cars to pull with these engines...

 

5005B 15005B 25005B 35005B real

The last image is of C&NW E6 5005 B in Minneapolis - St. Paul. Photo by Ron V. Nixon.

Charlie

Wow! That looks fantastic! Thanks for sharing a quality picture!

sdmann posted:

So at this time I want to thank a major contributor to the E5 CB&Qs, Santiago Pineda. He spent many hour reviewing drawings, production pictures and the such, and really guided me into doing the best that could be done on the CB&Q E5s. THANK YOU.

 

It was a privilege, Scott! Thank you! My set will be here in a couple of days and I am dying to see it! 

SANTIAGOP23 posted:
sdmann posted:

So at this time I want to thank a major contributor to the E5 CB&Qs, Santiago Pineda. He spent many hour reviewing drawings, production pictures and the such, and really guided me into doing the best that could be done on the CB&Q E5s. THANK YOU.

 

It was a privilege, Scott! Thank you! My set will be here in a couple of days and I am dying to see it! 

Santiago - You work on these is outstanding.  As a result, my A unit will be the first Burlington unit on my roster.  Not sure what I'm going to pull with it ... coal drags out of Pueblo, CO?    I will need some help from friends who have passenger cars for it.

Great to hear most of these are getting through without damage.

Also to Thank: Jonathan Peiffer and Richard Dunn, of which I would not be able to do these projects without.

At the factory now, they are hot to start the E7s and PAs... Production is now fixed. Can't add anymore, but we will take stand-by orders. People do drop out in the process of waiting for these. Looks like an October Delivery.

Boy I’m sure enjoying everyone’s pictures!!!!  Absolutely well done models. Scott. Do you have a cool group shot of production output to offer?  I seem to remember seeing a big table of SD7,9s. Here’s hoping there is enough interest for a second run down the road for those of us that “tapped out” after buying multiple units - and still have “wants”.  I’d like to see later repaints offered - MP in Jenks blue and IC in brown and orange  

TrainBub

 

Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

TrainBub posted:
Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

 

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TrainBub posted:
Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

Regarding the tooling issue the Early E 7 done years ago the dies were cut such as it probably could not be done as an insert change of portholes in an E7 body. They were not thinking that way back then. So you were looking at a whole new tool to get Portholes. It could be done with a new E7 3.0  body using a resin casting or a 3d type insert, If you wanted to cut up the shell. It could be done but work. There was a company that did this back in the 1980's to the HO LLK P2K shells and models.

But I do not know there name when they were offering the kits, but the were nice in there time.

Bob Harris

For the sake of my ever-tightening cash flow, I'm grateful that Pennsy did not have E6's.

My real point is to congratulate Scott for his collaborative approach to developing 3rd Rail models: Pfeiffer and Heil come to mind.  I don't know, but doubt, that the other major O scale manufacturers open up their development to outside help. The results, as in these E6's are plain to see.

Bob Harris posted:

I would love to see more of what has not been posted. I save the photo's as a way to tell how far  SSM has progressed from previous models offered in the pass. If you haven't noticed it is by leaps and bounds. Good Work Scott.

Bob Harris

I agree. Small details very crisp and not muted by smothering thick paint. 

TrainBub

Steve Adby posted:

Scott, based on these fabulous pictures, I reckon you’d get a fair number of orders if you announced a re-run tomorrow! 😉😊

Did anybody get a Southern E6 in Tuxedo livery? 

Please keep the photos coming, folks, and thanks for sharing them.

Yes. Keep the photos coming !!!!  There’s actually quite a few missing roads. I’m saving the photos too. 

I’ll be game for another run down the road !!!!  Can’t get everything I want at once. Scott has a lot Queued up but the tooling is done. Could have the potential for another schedule fill in project. Gotta hold those prices though. It gets expensive quickly buying two or three at a time. 

TrainBub

c.sam posted:

Would love to have been in a position to buy a set of these AT&SF units - simply stunning!

Thank you Scott and Jonathan for more beautiful locomotives.  Please keep these photos coming!

Just got off the phone.  Hopefully I will have a set of SFWB on its way this week.  Awaiting the dust settling after they ship the engines.  I guess standby.  Fingers crossed.

Some additional photos of the Rockford O Scalers B&O E-6 A/B set.  Notice that we have used black electrical tape on the inside of the car-body windows to block the view inside.  Also, closer coupling of the A and B units was achieved by reversing the coupler box mounting bracket on both units.  Finally, the crew “complexion” was improved with additional painting and the parking brake wheel was removed from the cab interior as only the EMD FT had that feature.FFDCCEB7-7452-42CB-B90C-EE51061624C06103CA6F-FE51-44DA-8B15-50CF4357318E80B313BB-E596-493F-A9A6-C15C929DF5102CA03DCA-41D3-4B22-928B-5AF889D8C2A518AD55C4-8879-4155-AB17-FA4A8EC8CA7C

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Steve Adby posted:

Scott, based on these fabulous pictures, I reckon you’d get a fair number of orders if you announced a re-run tomorrow! 😉😊

Did anybody get a Southern E6 in Tuxedo livery? 

Please keep the photos coming, folks, and thanks for sharing them.

Yes Steve, somebody got a SR Tuxedo model as I had ordered one but was unable to take delivery so it became available. Scott didn't show it in their leftover inventory so it must have been picked up. Whoever was lucky enough to get this one, please post a photo or two.  Thanks

Norm posted:

When will we see an announcement for a 2nd run of these beauties?

Norm

I doubt you ever will. with so few of certain roads will shock you for reruns desired. the mopac versions garnered only  the following models    5A 3B   2r     5A   4 B   3r.  If you were interested why  didn't you reserve in the first  run. it has taken 6 + years to do the 2nd run of  E7 modes.

Bob

jonnyspeed posted:

The models are nice, but I’m still not a fan of the QSI sounds. They don’t sound correct to my ears.

I am with you on the sounds / smoke. But they can be adjusted if you are wiling to waddle through the QSI 400+ page Manuel , it's that ludicrous to  print something like that.  this whole thing with sound at times is a lot of hype but people want it. Most can not even figure out how to adjust the volume to a decent level , get in a room and have 6 or more all running the sound on high and try to talk.  We had one person show up and run an N&W J with smoke the only one left was him in the room full of smoke. We finally ended up at the Bar.

 BH

Bob Harris posted:
Norm posted:

When will we see an announcement for a 2nd run of these beauties?

Norm

I doubt you ever will. with so few of certain roads will shock you for reruns desired. the mopac versions garnered only  the following models    5A 3B   2r     5A   4 B   3r.  If you were interested why  didn't you reserve in the first  run. it has taken 6 + years to do the 2nd run of  E7 modes.

Bob

Not everyone can afford 3,4 AB units at once. One hopes for a second run to be able to get those 3rd or 4th road beauties. And as a counter, the Alco PAs are coming - prob less than 2 years since 1st delivered. It can happen. I missed the first run as I was tapped out on other Sunset expenditures. I’m happy to have that second opportunity. And I think when people SEE these E6 beauties, they realize theyReally missed out !!!!

TrainBub

Bob Harris posted:

Yes and Scott offers the best lay away bar non. He never ask for deposits and it took over a year for the E 6 to materialize, might I suggest to start saving wen you place your reservation and when they get here go to the lay away plan and pay it off.  This is better than placing a reservation and have 9K tied up for years.

BH.

What lay away plan and how exactly does it work?

This is the first I’ve heard of it and not seen it mentioned anywhere on the website.

We aren’t all flush with cash and any of us based in Europe are also faced with exorbitant freight charges plus import duties and taxes that can add another 40-50% to the cost, (plus an exchange rate in the UK falling through the floor right now).

As the Sunset and GGD locos and cars get better and better, it would really help (and benefit) to be able to have an idea of just what you will get for your money. I mentioned to Scott about having a photo gallery to show off the wonderful Sunset and GGD products and it may get around that ‘leap of faith’ that holds people back from ordering? The recent Meteor cars were excellent, but how many people are holding back from ordering the upcoming Super Chief because they don’t quite know what they will get for their money?

With the E6, I would certainly have ordered a few more, even for roads I don’t model, because they are just such fine looking locos and I guess I’m not the only one feeling that way after looking at these wonderful photos you’ve all so kindly shared here. As TrainBub said, when people get to see the actual production photos of the E6s they will realise what they missed and a photo gallery of previous productions may help negate that situation in the future?

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