E6

Yep, yep! 

My ( one of three) E4 demo will ship at months end . If any of the other two recipients could kindly post a photo of their E4 demos, I  am sure others would love to see a picture of the beauty!

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

Rule292 posted:

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

E3sd... Egad man! Who manufactured a PRR E3 sd in O scale? I only am aware of the Gem F3!

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Rule292 posted:

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

E3sd... Egad man! Who manufactured a PRR E3 sd in O scale? I only am aware of the Gem F3!

Nobody made one... yet!   

Sadly PRR steam is dead though one could still hope for the unique E3 with the rigid trailing, truck, a nice little PRR ten wheeler or the venerable PRR 1223.

Think more than one or two of us would buy a pre-1940's PRR steamer? 

Rule292 posted:

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Rule292 posted:

Sigh.  I thought it was a PRR E6.  Or an E3sd.  

E3sd... Egad man! Who manufactured a PRR E3 sd in O scale? I only am aware of the Gem F3!

Nobody made one... yet!   

Sadly PRR steam is dead though one could still hope for the unique E3 with the rigid trailing, truck, a nice little PRR ten wheeler or the venerable PRR 1223.

Think more than one or two of us would buy a pre-1940's PRR steamer? 

Ain't nobody buying little steamers these days, regardless of prototype. Too costly. For a bit more you can buy a Brobdingnagian steamer that requires 200" radius curves to run, or a really big shelf.

I would love to see some of the lighter PRR atlantics like the E3sd. But I dont believe it will ever be produced. 

My thoughts too originally went to a PRR Atlantic rather than an EMD shovel nose.  I suppose this only confirms us as SPF's.  Understandable, because this diesel was among the few not rostered by PRR.  But an O-Scale EMD E6 would be a beautiful thing to see, especially as I remember them on the SAL, ACL and FEC while on the platform at Jacksonville FL terminal now too many years ago.

To be delivered this Friday (the fifth)...what does PRR stand for?

Bill, sure hope that it will be a thing of beauty.

Allan

Got my tracking today!

 

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Photos please!😃

After a modest delay, mine are scheduled to be delivered this Tuesday. Scott always delivers some real beauties. I will receive MP and IC. I was going to sell my MTH IC “City of Miami” to make room for new additions but decided it was just too pretty. 

Some new fun coming.

😬🤗

To the question about PRR, "Pennsylvania Rail Road", at one time the largest corporation in the country and one that managed to pay dividends thoughout the Great Depression.

On the E3 and related E2 PRR Atlantics, there have been none imported that I am aware of.    Max Grey did a decent model in my opionion of the 4-4-0 1223 that can still be found quite often at O scale shows.    I have one that I run regularly.    I installed a DCC decoder.     The famous PRR 10 wheeler - the G5 was done by Max Grey and possibly again by USH hobbies and definitely again by Sunset (before they added 3rd rail to the name).    These are also quite common at O scale shows.     Sunset also did an E6 and an H9 at the same time.  Sunset 3RD Rail fairly recently redid the E6 (atlantic) in a factory painted version.

There are still some of us that buy steam models!    However, less and less are being imported but previously owned ones are available in large numbers at O Scale Shows.

that illinois central e6  is beautiful!

TrainBub posted:

After a modest delay, mine are scheduled to be delivered this Tuesday. Scott always delivers some real beauties. I will receive MP and IC. I was going to sell my MTH IC “City of Miami” to make room for new additions but decided it was just too pretty. 

Some new fun coming.

😬🤗

Trainbub, thanks for sharing the images. Is that an image of the upcoming Sunset 3rd rail IC E6 in Panama Limited colors?. If so, where did you find the pictures? 

I assume Scott would have posted images as the E6's should be close to delivery.

 

Thanks

Charlie

Beautiful E6's ... how do they run ? 

Someone was asking about a PRR E3  Atlantic ....  Fred Icken made at least one of them  circa 1934... double gear reduction ..runs sweet . ... not bad for pushing 85...

cheers Carey

Icken was a custom builder, and a very respected one at the time as I understand it.    I don't think he did a run of these for sale however, I think all of his stuff was built to customer order.     He may have done more than one of a given model, but I don't think he did 100 or even 50.

Hi Charlie

Yes. Sunset image of IC “Panama”.  No “ published”images.  From Scott awhile back as a kind gesture in exchanges of emails. I’ve sat on. Now - With models beginning to show up on our doorsteps, I thought it now ok to share. I expect Tuesday delivery at latest. Im in Houston so One might anticipate west coast deliveries even sooner. I can’t wait to see pix of ALL the different roads. 

My regret is I won’t get to run them for some time as my “empire” is coming down for a move from Houston to St. Louis. 

TrainBub 🙂🥔

justin p posted:

that illinois central e6  is beautiful!

Regarding the MP E6 versions, Please contact off the list for issues with the B unit if you are interested. Scott is aware of the issues.  The a unit is Out standing.

Bob

Bob Harris posted:

justin p posted:

that illinois central e6  is beautiful!

Regarding the MP E6 versions, Please contact off the list for issues with the B unit if you are interested. Scott is aware of the issues.  The a unit is Out standing.

Bob

Bob

I’ll be interested in any “issues”☹️   Sorry.   I’m not on the boards very often so ............ how do I contact off the list? TrainBub 

 

 

 

Folks,

Here's the production sample of the Mopac E6 A and B Units.

Quantities Produced:

TYPE (2R/3R)  A , B

2R  - 5, 3

3R - 5, 4

Scott - China

Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve Adby posted:

Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve;

Wish I could be of more help but I'm not able to post pictures at this time.  The E6 is the as delivered model (my saying "Definitely not as delivered" was misleading as I meant "not as detailed as I had understood it would be").  As to your 1950's era, the engine has a single headlight rather than two, no numeral board above the windshield and no roof air deflectors...all of which would be on a mid fifties unit.  I don't know if 3rd rail offered those options.  If they didn't, you will be getting a pre 1945 version.  That said, for my era, it is a handsome beast and my concerns could be corrected by a good modeler.

Allan

Allan E posted:

Steve Adby posted:

Allan E posted:

E6 15 ( I had asked for fast 14) arrived on the property this afternoon.  Haven't had a chance to take a good look but did notice that the pilot brakeman's step is wrong;  however, a nice touch is that a second pilot (closed) is included.  Also, no roof bell, wrong horns and nose stripe.  Definitely not as delivered.  Early days with it but starting as something of a disappointment.

Allan

Hi Allan.

Any chance you could post a picture or two please. I’m about to take delivery of a SF E6 to the UK. If there are problems I don’t want to end up paying expensive freight plus excessive UK imports charges and taxes which odd over 50% to the cost and will try and get sorted out stateside.

I appreciate any help or further comments you can offer.

Thanks,

Steve

(I’m modelling SF in the 50s so not sure if the problems you mentioned are relevant or not and apply to the Es when first delivered rather than later SF alterations!).

If anybody else can clarify would be great. Thanks again.

Steve;

Wish I could be of more help but I'm not able to post pictures at this time.  The E6 is the as delivered model (my saying "Definitely not as delivered" was misleading as I meant "not as detailed as I had understood it would be").  As to your 1950's era, the engine has a single headlight rather than two, no numeral board above the windshield and no roof air deflectors...all of which would be on a mid fifties unit.  I don't know if 3rd rail offered those options.  If they didn't, you will be getting a pre 1945 version.  That said, for my era, it is a handsome beast and my concerns could be corrected by a good modeler.

Allan

Hi Allan

Many thanks for the reply.

I did wonder if I’d get the ‘bells and whistles’ but it IS such a handsome beast and in my own happy world I can live with it as it is!

Happy modelling!

Has anybody else taken delivery of any E6s (for any roads) they can post pics of please.

Thanks.

Yes, most of the E6s were done in the Early configurations. Otherwise there were too many variations, even among the same road name. Here's a post of the Production Sample SFWB. Yes, those are nickel plated brass plate inserts on the sides top to bottom both A and B Units. 2 Rail Coupler Pilot shown, Closed Pilot in the box (2 Rail). One little surprise I forgot to mention, we placed buffer beams in the parts baggie of each model (A Unit). They slip onto the Anti-climbers for added realism. Some roads had them, some didn't but we included them in each box.

sdmann posted:

Yes, most of the E6s were done in the Early configurations. Otherwise there were too many variations, even among the same road name. Here's a post of the Production Sample SFWB. Yes, those are nickel plated brass plate inserts on the sides top to bottom both A and B Units. 2 Rail Coupler Pilot shown, Closed Pilot in the box (2 Rail). One little surprise I forgot to mention, we placed buffer beams in the parts baggie of each model (A Unit). They slip onto the Anti-climbers for added realism. Some roads had them, some didn't but we included them in each box.

Looks great Scott!

Many thanks for the post.

Steve

Oh, BTW: I have 2 or 3 3R SFWB A/B Sets available. Contact me directly if you want to buy them. Matched Sets, #12, #13, #14 and #15.  When we get down to the last units in SF, they won't be matched.

Scott Mann

Carey Williams posted:

Someone was asking about a PRR E3  Atlantic ....  Fred Icken made at least one of them  circa 1934... double gear reduction ..runs sweet . ... not bad for pushing 85...

[In the voice of Ted Levine, from The Fast and the Furious]  "...It's the gear ratio, Brian.  It always has been the gear ratio."

Just received a set of AA Chicago & North Western E6's. I have not run them yet, but the decoration is fantastic! Thanks Scott, Jonathan. My only regret is that I could not also get the Illinois Central units. Now we just need some cars to pull with these engines...

 

The last image is of C&NW E6 5005 B in Minneapolis - St. Paul. Photo by Ron V. Nixon.

Charlie

Why do you guys keep intruding into this thread with posts about steam locomotives????

This is obviously a thread about the new Sunset E6 DIESELS !

Perhaps someone should start a new post as these beauties are received by their owners with photos and comments and please don't muddy the waters with comments about the steamers...

c.sam posted:

Why do you guys keep intruding into this thread with posts about steam locomotives????

This is obviously a thread about the new Sunset E6 DIESELS !

Perhaps someone should start a new post as these beauties are received by their owners with photos and comments and please don't muddy the waters with comments about the steamers...

Sam, not really obviously clear.  The OP should have titled this thread "Sunset E6 Diesels."

To us Pennsy fans we know and see this "E6" title as a Pennsy Atlantic.  The most famous of Number 460 the Lindbergh  train with the movie film of his return where in the film was processed on the train whole in route.  Another canister was flown then processed upon arrival.  The trains film was first to be viewed.

Ron

Sorry Sam!  But I think what I posted is applicable to the Sunset diesels too.  Sound engineering design, such as a conservative gear ratio suitable for a scale model, will stand the test of time.  Unlike the gimmicky electronics used by other manufacturers to force their cheap and tiny motors to run at very low RPMs.  The Sunset diesels have a real "drive."  Fred Icken had the right idea, quality beats gimmicks every time!

Charlie posted:

Just received a set of AA Chicago & North Western E6's. I have not run them yet, but the decoration is fantastic! Thanks Scott, Jonathan. My only regret is that I could not also get the Illinois Central units. Now we just need some cars to pull with these engines...

 

The last image is of C&NW E6 5005 B in Minneapolis - St. Paul. Photo by Ron V. Nixon.

Charlie

Wow! That looks fantastic! Thanks for sharing a quality picture!

These models are amazing! I ordered 1 B&O A unit and I will show photos of it when it arrives. Can’t wait to see more photos!

Please post your photos when the models arrive.  Charlie was kind enough to email his as I rarely see all the variations that we do!  I should be seeing my ATSF A-B and Burlington E5 sometime next week I hope.  I'll take some time to get quality photos of them. 

My IC and MP models arrived Monday and I’ve finally had time to unpack the MPs. Absolutely beautiful. I only a phone camera and the lightings not so good. I’ve edited the pix but I’m still not very satisfied with them. I’m posting a few but will try tomorrow for better images plus the IC

TrainBub

Here's a treat.

And this is how the skirts attach:

So at this time I want to thank a major contributor to the E5 CB&Qs, Santiago Pineda. He spent many hour reviewing drawings, production pictures and the such, and really guided me into doing the best that could be done on the CB&Q E5s. THANK YOU.

 

Very nice. A center roller?

due respect to C Sam - I too thought the thread was about Atlantics.  I was almost ready to again post my Saginaws.

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Scott ,

Beautiful recreation of the EMD E6 I grew up admiring. My favorite diesel by far. I wish I could have purchased one of each paint scheme. The Seaboard citrus scheme came out great.

Hope you do a 2nd run in the near future.

Leon

 

sdmann posted:

So at this time I want to thank a major contributor to the E5 CB&Qs, Santiago Pineda. He spent many hour reviewing drawings, production pictures and the such, and really guided me into doing the best that could be done on the CB&Q E5s. THANK YOU.

 

It was a privilege, Scott! Thank you! My set will be here in a couple of days and I am dying to see it! 

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

sdmann posted:

So at this time I want to thank a major contributor to the E5 CB&Qs, Santiago Pineda. He spent many hour reviewing drawings, production pictures and the such, and really guided me into doing the best that could be done on the CB&Q E5s. THANK YOU.

 

It was a privilege, Scott! Thank you! My set will be here in a couple of days and I am dying to see it! 

Santiago - You work on these is outstanding.  As a result, my A unit will be the first Burlington unit on my roster.  Not sure what I'm going to pull with it ... coal drags out of Pueblo, CO?    I will need some help from friends who have passenger cars for it.

Check out RMC this month if you need to know what to tie directly behind your CB&Q version.  The authors name seems somewhat familiar;-) 

Bruce

Many thanks, Jonathan! Please do not demote her to freight... hehe... an easy one would be a shorter CZ w Atlas’ beauties

brwebster posted:

Check out RMC this month if you need to know what to tie directly behind your CB&Q version.  The authors name seems somewhat familiar;-) 

Bruce

KD, I’m glad you went for them! Hope you enjoy them, they do look amazing 😉 

As the dust settles on the warehouse floor, there are some models that are left over due to customer cancellations.

2 - 3R E5 A/B Set CB&Q

2 - 3R E6 A/B Set SFWB

1 - 2R E6 A SEABOARD (Green)

You can purchase these from our web site.

http://www.3rdrail.com/Diesel-SuperSale.html

As we take inventory today I will update this list.

 

Blue Streak posted:

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Your welcome on the contribution to the Mopac sets

Bob

OH YES... Bob Harris spent a lot of time with me as well, reviewing drawings, pointing out deficiencies, making sure we didn't make the same mistakes as others have. Making the Mopac E6s as good as humanly possible. Thank you Bob.

Liked my New E6's so much that I broke down for one of Scott's left over sets of Santa Fe's. I have a awesome fleet of E6's - going to be selling a few Lionel/MTH's off soon. 

 

I ran my Santa Fe units today. Super smooth. They look like the real deal with trucks that are not for high water and a 3 rail pilot that looks great even for non fixed. I wished I ordered the 2nd Up unit.

Great to hear most of these are getting through without damage.

Also to Thank: Jonathan Peiffer and Richard Dunn, of which I would not be able to do these projects without.

At the factory now, they are hot to start the E7s and PAs... Production is now fixed. Can't add anymore, but we will take stand-by orders. People do drop out in the process of waiting for these. Looks like an October Delivery.

Scott thank you very much for the E6 and the E5 there were two of us at the Indianapolis meet a number of years ago that just bugged the living daylights out of you to do the citrus seaboard  thankyou!!!

Man.  Wish I could paint like that!

Boy I’m sure enjoying everyone’s pictures!!!!  Absolutely well done models. Scott. Do you have a cool group shot of production output to offer?  I seem to remember seeing a big table of SD7,9s. Here’s hoping there is enough interest for a second run down the road for those of us that “tapped out” after buying multiple units - and still have “wants”.  I’d like to see later repaints offered - MP in Jenks blue and IC in brown and orange  

TrainBub

 

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

 

Oops. Fat fingers strikes again 😖

lived every minute = loved every minute

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Lord please no Jenks Blue, it  serves no purpose it was the start of the demise of the Missouri Pacific. I can just imagine Scott doing a 100 of E6 in Union Pacific gray and yellow with North Little Rock red Lettering. Be happy with what he did, and they are rare from the quantities  5A 3 B  2r     5A 4 B 3r

Bob Harris

Oh I am incredibly happy with the MP models - especially with the unique port hole windows !!! With the numbers you mention and required different  tooling, I am grateful to Scott for executing the model. (And I’m selfishly sorry we couldn’t get MP and T&P E7s with portholes.)

We all have our own likes and dislikes and where we draw lines. I will not buy a model in Union Pacific colors with MP lettering.  Don’t want one. However, A Jenks blue model would add a color diversification to my fleet of E’s and F’s. And actually would fit in nicely with all the last powerful MP diesels.  Just me.  I love all the models. I grew up watching the real ones in South St. Louis county and lived every minute of it. 

TrainBub

Regarding the tooling issue the Early E 7 done years ago the dies were cut such as it probably could not be done as an insert change of portholes in an E7 body. They were not thinking that way back then. So you were looking at a whole new tool to get Portholes. It could be done with a new E7 3.0  body using a resin casting or a 3d type insert, If you wanted to cut up the shell. It could be done but work. There was a company that did this back in the 1980's to the HO LLK P2K shells and models.

But I do not know there name when they were offering the kits, but the were nice in there time.

Bob Harris

These are also fantastic thanks Scott

❤️❤️❤️

Here are some photos of the Rockford O Scalers Santa Fe E-6 A/B set.  We will post some photos of the other units that our member’s purchased in the next few days.  The models are gorgeous.  Great job, Scott!

Absolutely fantastic great time to be in this hobby. Thanks Scott for a great project

For the sake of my ever-tightening cash flow, I'm grateful that Pennsy did not have E6's.

My real point is to congratulate Scott for his collaborative approach to developing 3rd Rail models: Pfeiffer and Heil come to mind.  I don't know, but doubt, that the other major O scale manufacturers open up their development to outside help. The results, as in these E6's are plain to see.

That's absolutely correct without Scott we would have mediocrity 

Would love to have been in a position to buy a set of these AT&SF units - simply stunning!

Thank you Scott and Jonathan for more beautiful locomotives.  Please keep these photos coming!

Scott, based on these fabulous pictures, I reckon you’d get a fair number of orders if you announced a re-run tomorrow! 😉😊

Did anybody get a Southern E6 in Tuxedo livery? 

Please keep the photos coming, folks, and thanks for sharing them.

I would love to see more of what has not been posted. I save the photo's as a way to tell how far  SSM has progressed from previous models offered in the pass. If you haven't noticed it is by leaps and bounds. Good Work Scott.

Bob Harris

Bob Harris posted:

I would love to see more of what has not been posted. I save the photo's as a way to tell how far  SSM has progressed from previous models offered in the pass. If you haven't noticed it is by leaps and bounds. Good Work Scott.

Bob Harris

I agree. Small details very crisp and not muted by smothering thick paint. 

TrainBub

Steve Adby posted:

Scott, based on these fabulous pictures, I reckon you’d get a fair number of orders if you announced a re-run tomorrow! 😉😊

Did anybody get a Southern E6 in Tuxedo livery? 

Please keep the photos coming, folks, and thanks for sharing them.

Yes. Keep the photos coming !!!!  There’s actually quite a few missing roads. I’m saving the photos too. 

I’ll be game for another run down the road !!!!  Can’t get everything I want at once. Scott has a lot Queued up but the tooling is done. Could have the potential for another schedule fill in project. Gotta hold those prices though. It gets expensive quickly buying two or three at a time. 

TrainBub

Here are photos of some of the E-5/E-6 models owned by members of the Rockford O Scalers.

Frank McCabe posted:

Here are photos of some of the E-5/E-6 models owned by members of the Rockford O Scalers.

Thank you so much. Wonderful pix !!!  Beautiful models. 

TrainBub

Some nice additions to this run include etched metal builders plates and etched metal separately applied kick plates! Also, notice how they re-did the side cab two piece plastic insets to a one piece with tampo printed silver frame for a finer appearance! 

Legendary "Fast fifteen"!!! 

c.sam posted:

Would love to have been in a position to buy a set of these AT&SF units - simply stunning!

Thank you Scott and Jonathan for more beautiful locomotives.  Please keep these photos coming!

Just got off the phone.  Hopefully I will have a set of SFWB on its way this week.  Awaiting the dust settling after they ship the engines.  I guess standby.  Fingers crossed.

In addition to what Santaigo listed above, I have to say I am really impressed with the pilot on the Seaboard model. I'm guessing the UP City trains have a similar pilot design but I have not seen the UP units posted.

Nice to see the B&O and Milwaukee unit.

Charlie

Charlie,

You are correct, the UP City Series E6s do have the same style pilot.  Such a neat detail to differentiate those models.  I'd like to see some photos of those as well.

Here are my UP units

Marty,

The UP's are very nice. I wanted a set of San Francisco's but already bought several sets and ran out of $. But if one comes available might have to splurge again. Or maybe next time. Enjoy.

Thanks for sharing Marty. As Jonathan wrote, that UP pilot really sets this one apart from the usual UP painted engines.

Charlie

Here are a couple shots of the Southern E6 in natural light. Hope to open up the Rock Islands next week.

Some additional photos of the Rockford O Scalers B&O E-6 A/B set.  Notice that we have used black electrical tape on the inside of the car-body windows to block the view inside.  Also, closer coupling of the A and B units was achieved by reversing the coupler box mounting bracket on both units.  Finally, the crew “complexion” was improved with additional painting and the parking brake wheel was removed from the cab interior as only the EMD FT had that feature.

Milwaukee Road EMD E-6 A/A “Fast Fifteen” on the Rockford O Scalers layout.

Rockford O Scalers Milwaukee Road EMD E-6 # 15 videos.

 

Rockford O Scalers B&O EMD E-6 A/B videos.

 

These are just stunning - Scott, you guys have certainly enhanced our hobby's enjoyment with your excellent models, thanks!

Steve Adby posted:

Scott, based on these fabulous pictures, I reckon you’d get a fair number of orders if you announced a re-run tomorrow! 😉😊

Did anybody get a Southern E6 in Tuxedo livery? 

Please keep the photos coming, folks, and thanks for sharing them.

Yes Steve, somebody got a SR Tuxedo model as I had ordered one but was unable to take delivery so it became available. Scott didn't show it in their leftover inventory so it must have been picked up. Whoever was lucky enough to get this one, please post a photo or two.  Thanks

Frank McCabe posted:

Rockford O Scalers B&O EMD E-6 A/B videos.

 

Equally as impressive is the WSL NYC Despatch Shops covered hopper.  Nice to see a resin kit getting some serious layout time.

When will we see an announcement for a 2nd run of these beauties?

Norm

Norm posted:

When will we see an announcement for a 2nd run of these beauties?

Norm

I doubt you ever will. with so few of certain roads will shock you for reruns desired. the mopac versions garnered only  the following models    5A 3B   2r     5A   4 B   3r.  If you were interested why  didn't you reserve in the first  run. it has taken 6 + years to do the 2nd run of  E7 modes.

Bob

The models are nice, but I’m still not a fan of the QSI sounds. They don’t sound correct to my ears.

jonnyspeed posted:

The models are nice, but I’m still not a fan of the QSI sounds. They don’t sound correct to my ears.

I am with you on the sounds / smoke. But they can be adjusted if you are wiling to waddle through the QSI 400+ page Manuel , it's that ludicrous to  print something like that.  this whole thing with sound at times is a lot of hype but people want it. Most can not even figure out how to adjust the volume to a decent level , get in a room and have 6 or more all running the sound on high and try to talk.  We had one person show up and run an N&W J with smoke the only one left was him in the room full of smoke. We finally ended up at the Bar.

 BH

QSI is a mess.... Thy don't know the difference between complex and complicated... ESU FTW. 

Bob Harris posted:

Norm posted:

When will we see an announcement for a 2nd run of these beauties?

Norm

I doubt you ever will. with so few of certain roads will shock you for reruns desired. the mopac versions garnered only  the following models    5A 3B   2r     5A   4 B   3r.  If you were interested why  didn't you reserve in the first  run. it has taken 6 + years to do the 2nd run of  E7 modes.

Bob

Not everyone can afford 3,4 AB units at once. One hopes for a second run to be able to get those 3rd or 4th road beauties. And as a counter, the Alco PAs are coming - prob less than 2 years since 1st delivered. It can happen. I missed the first run as I was tapped out on other Sunset expenditures. I’m happy to have that second opportunity. And I think when people SEE these E6 beauties, they realize theyReally missed out !!!!

TrainBub

Yes and Scott offers the best lay away bar non. He never ask for deposits and it took over a year for the E 6 to materialize, might I suggest to start saving wen you place your reservation and when they get here go to the lay away plan and pay it off.  This is better than placing a reservation and have 9K tied up for years.

BH.

Bob Harris posted:

Yes and Scott offers the best lay away bar non. He never ask for deposits and it took over a year for the E 6 to materialize, might I suggest to start saving wen you place your reservation and when they get here go to the lay away plan and pay it off.  This is better than placing a reservation and have 9K tied up for years.

BH.

What lay away plan and how exactly does it work?

This is the first I’ve heard of it and not seen it mentioned anywhere on the website.

We aren’t all flush with cash and any of us based in Europe are also faced with exorbitant freight charges plus import duties and taxes that can add another 40-50% to the cost, (plus an exchange rate in the UK falling through the floor right now).

As the Sunset and GGD locos and cars get better and better, it would really help (and benefit) to be able to have an idea of just what you will get for your money. I mentioned to Scott about having a photo gallery to show off the wonderful Sunset and GGD products and it may get around that ‘leap of faith’ that holds people back from ordering? The recent Meteor cars were excellent, but how many people are holding back from ordering the upcoming Super Chief because they don’t quite know what they will get for their money?

With the E6, I would certainly have ordered a few more, even for roads I don’t model, because they are just such fine looking locos and I guess I’m not the only one feeling that way after looking at these wonderful photos you’ve all so kindly shared here. As TrainBub said, when people get to see the actual production photos of the E6s they will realise what they missed and a photo gallery of previous productions may help negate that situation in the future?

Frank McCabe posted:

Rockford O Scalers B&O EMD E-6 A/B videos.

 

 

Thanks for taking the time to shoot and post your vidoes Frank.

I did end up purchasing the C&NW E6's (in three rail) but was wondering what your group is going to do for passengers cars for the roads that do not have passenger cars (RTR) available?

I know you were selling off an IC set of cars at the last March Meet.

Just curious on your thoughts on the subject of passenger cars.

Thanks.

Charlie

 

Steve Adby posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Yes and Scott offers the best lay away bar non. He never ask for deposits and it took over a year for the E 6 to materialize, might I suggest to start saving wen you place your reservation and when they get here go to the lay away plan and pay it off.  This is better than placing a reservation and have 9K tied up for years.

BH.

What lay away plan and how exactly does it work?

This is the first I’ve heard of it and not seen it mentioned anywhere on the website.

We aren’t all flush with cash and any of us based in Europe are also faced with exorbitant freight charges plus import duties and taxes that can add another 40-50% to the cost, (plus an exchange rate in the UK falling through the floor right now).

As the Sunset and GGD locos and cars get better and better, it would really help (and benefit) to be able to have an idea of just what you will get for your money. I mentioned to Scott about having a photo gallery to show off the wonderful Sunset and GGD products and it may get around that ‘leap of faith’ that holds people back from ordering? The recent Meteor cars were excellent, but how many people are holding back from ordering the upcoming Super Chief because they don’t quite know what they will get for their money?

With the E6, I would certainly have ordered a few more, even for roads I don’t model, because they are just such fine looking locos and I guess I’m not the only one feeling that way after looking at these wonderful photos you’ve all so kindly shared here. As TrainBub said, when people get to see the actual production photos of the E6s they will realise what they missed and a photo gallery of previous productions may help negate that situation in the future?

The lay away plan is no published , but you have to ask him based on what you can agree on for your particular situation. I have done up to 90 days that worked for me.As long as you say you may need more time he just wants you to follow thru with your plan. He will work with you.

Bob

Bryant Dunivan 111417 posted:

c.sam posted:

Would love to have been in a position to buy a set of these AT&SF units - simply stunning!

Thank you Scott and Jonathan for more beautiful locomotives.  Please keep these photos coming!

Just got off the phone.  Hopefully I will have a set of SFWB on its way this week.  Awaiting the dust settling after they ship the engines.  I guess standby.  Fingers crossed.

What a week.  I was able to purchase the SFWB A&B.  It will complement my Legacy F Units.  Pics to come

Here's what mine look like in a different light I'm using 5000k fluorecents

Marty, looks like you dropped some big bucks on this run! Excellent, man! Congratulations! Thanks for sharing

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

QSI is a mess.... Thy don't know the difference between complex and complicated... ESU FTW. 

Everyone agrees, except the people who run regular DC 2-rail which QSI is still the best.  There are still a significant number of 2-railers who are DC or nothing.  Enough that they make a project go or no go.  

He is going to have to change sometime in the future unless QSI decides to change.  The availability of chips is drying up and Scott has to buy something like 15-20 thousand for QSI to make any more.

Well, that's true, but I got everything announced covered so far.

QSI makes more than model railroad circuit boards. The circuit boards in this TwiVision transit headsign odk are QSI:

Note that I was quite surprised when I saw that.

I wish Scott would show photos of each different E6 paint scheme that he produced. Some of the available schemes are yet to show up on this thread. I will keep checking in.

I would also express my 'thank you' to Sunset for getting these delivered before I got too old to enjoy. Life is good!!!

Leon

Purplepapa posted:

I wish Scott would show photos of each different E6 paint scheme that he produced. Some of the available schemes are yet to show up on this thread. I will keep checking in.

I would also express my 'thank you' to Sunset for getting these delivered before I got too old to enjoy. Life is good!!!

Leon

Ditto that !!!  Scott. Please post the E-6 production “mug shots. You’ll fan the flames 🔥 for a run #2 👌

TrainBub 😬

Bob Harris posted:

Steve Adby posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Yes and Scott offers the best lay away bar non. He never ask for deposits and it took over a year for the E 6 to materialize, might I suggest to start saving wen you place your reservation and when they get here go to the lay away plan and pay it off.  This is better than placing a reservation and have 9K tied up for years.

BH.

What lay away plan and how exactly does it work?

This is the first I’ve heard of it and not seen it mentioned anywhere on the website.

We aren’t all flush with cash and any of us based in Europe are also faced with exorbitant freight charges plus import duties and taxes that can add another 40-50% to the cost, (plus an exchange rate in the UK falling through the floor right now).

As the Sunset and GGD locos and cars get better and better, it would really help (and benefit) to be able to have an idea of just what you will get for your money. I mentioned to Scott about having a photo gallery to show off the wonderful Sunset and GGD products and it may get around that ‘leap of faith’ that holds people back from ordering? The recent Meteor cars were excellent, but how many people are holding back from ordering the upcoming Super Chief because they don’t quite know what they will get for their money?

With the E6, I would certainly have ordered a few more, even for roads I don’t model, because they are just such fine looking locos and I guess I’m not the only one feeling that way after looking at these wonderful photos you’ve all so kindly shared here. As TrainBub said, when people get to see the actual production photos of the E6s they will realise what they missed and a photo gallery of previous productions may help negate that situation in the future?

The lay away plan is no published , but you have to ask him based on what you can agree on for your particular situation. I have done up to 90 days that worked for me.As long as you say you may need more time he just wants you to follow thru with your plan. He will work with you.

Bob

And ......

one can always do payments ahead of completion of model. I might make a couple of early payments when production starts and during production. When models are ready to ship I send in a final payment. 

Lots of way to to make it work. 

TrainBub

Bob Harris posted:

Blue Streak posted:

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Your welcome on the contribution to the Mopac sets

Bob

Bob

Are you Missouri Pacific Historical Society member?

YrainBub

The rest have been covered here. Cheers.

        

I was out of town and just got home and access to my tablet. A belated thank you to Scott for posting the photo mug shots. 

Hope you will consider a 2nd run in the future. The units look so much better than the little diagrams on your website. Sunset really came through on this one.

Leon

OK, new E6 owners, dumb question.

Where is the battery hatch and smoke on/off switch?

Maybe I missed it, but I cannot seem to find a second hatch. I did find the TMCC/Conv, Prog/Run and sound volume, but that is it.

I want to remove the battery and make sure the smoke is in the off position before I operate the engines.

Thanks.

Charlie

Frank McCabe posted:

Rockford O Scalers AT&SF E-6 Video 

Where is the video?

Battery is under the Steam Generator Hatch.

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Blue Streak posted:

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Your welcome on the contribution to the Mopac sets

Bob

Bob

Are you Missouri Pacific Historical Society member?

YrainBub

Yes and founding member all the way back to 1976.

Bob Harris posted:

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Blue Streak posted:

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Your welcome on the contribution to the Mopac sets

Bob

Bob

Are you Missouri Pacific Historical Society member?

YrainBub

Yes and founding member all the way back to 1976.

Ah. Good access for MP E6 details. 

Thanks for contributing. 

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

TrainBub posted:

Bob Harris posted:

Blue Streak posted:

The (2) Burlington E5's I received are top notch Silver Arrow and Silver Swift. Also the Missouri Pacific E6 AB set #7002. Thanks to all that contributed in making them. 

Have a pair of Rock Island to still open.

Your welcome on the contribution to the Mopac sets

Bob

Bob

Are you Missouri Pacific Historical Society member?

YrainBub

Yes and founding member all the way back to 1976.

Ah. Good access for MP E6 details. 

Thanks for contributing. 

Yes and as much as Scott and I tried numerous times and supplied 4 lbs of detail material, the builder fell short on the B Unit I can Only give it a 89  A unit 98 out of 100.

BH

TO ALL WHO PUT LOVE IN THIS PROJECT   THANKYOU  !!!!!!!!

Here is the Rockford O Scalers Video of the AT&SF  E-6s.

 

I used the quantum programmer to set up the lighting functions independently... it’s a learning curve but works well...

I picked up my 3-rail O-gauge models of CB&Q E5A Silver Carrier & E5B Silver Power set last Friday at Chicagoland Hobby.  We test ran them; I like the sounds & the Mars light !

I really love the tooling, the truck skirts, the black window & nose striping on the nose, the prototypical Zephyr Gothic lettering, detailed closed pilot (with an optional open pilot & coupler), nice opening cab doors (the left side door is stuck open), engineer & fireman figures, correct version of the Burlington Route herald on the nose, EMC/EMD builder plate, & dual powered Blomberg trucks.  The diaphragms are very detailed, too.  

The E5B is also very great with powered trucks.  Mine came out of the box with a pink grease smear on one side that I wiped off with Kleenex tissue (does not appear to be any permanent damage).  

The silver paint is very nice too, butI would have preferred a simulated stainless steel finish.   

My models came with the Operating & Maintenance Instructions for the 2-rail O-scale versions. I e-mailed Scott Mann a few hours ago & he has already responded with the pdf file for the 3-rail O-gauger versions.  THANK YOU, Scott.

I realize that for these as-delivered versions of the E5A & E5B that there were no E5 plates of painted units numbers on the sides.  Although maybe not prototypical for the as-delivered time period, I do like these details & may add them myself if I can find the appropriate decals in O-scale.

Oh, the styrofoam boxes & packaging are FANTASTIC & easy to repack these models for storage !!!  Much better than 3rd Rail's steamer packaging.  

The only thing that I dislike is my E5A unit's name Silver Carrier.  Of all of the 16 prototypical Silver names on the Q's E5 fleet, this is my least favorite.  The Q's main ad slogan was EVERYWHERE WEST.  The other E5A Silver names evoke either that western theme (i.e., Bullet, Arrow, Chief), an equine theme (Racer), water-craft theme (Pilot, Clipper), or a high-speed theme (Speed, Meteor, Wings, Swift).  To me, the name Silver Carrier is as mundane & as inappropriate as "Silver Bus" for such a beautiful locomotive.  I wish I could trade it for a E5A #9910A Silver Speed so that I would al least have both #9910A & #9910B as a matched set.  I wish that these details of the Silver names & road #s had been available at reservation time so that I could have had a choice.  

I have asked Scott what are the names of his remaining E5A models but he did not tell me (maybe he will check when he is back in the office on Monday ?).  

The 3rdRail Sunset label on the box side indicates that there are 4 sets of road #s (& corresponding Silver names) for the E5A & E5B models.  Here is a list of what I have & what I can glean from your responses on this thread:

E5A
#9915A  Silver CARRIER
#9910A Silver SPEED
#9914A Silver ARROW
#9914B Silver SWIFT
#9915B Silver CLIPPER
Any more ???

E5B
(#9910B) Silver POWER
Any more ???

I am a big fan of 3rd Rail's CB&Q offerings and have their Hudson #3007, Northern #5632, Mikado #4978, & Colorado 2-10-4 #63??.  

I am very happy that 3rd Rail made these CB&Q E5 models.  Any Q O-gauge fan should get a set.  I would just like to get a 2nd E5A with a different name than the mundane Silver CARRIER.

CB&Q Bill 

    

Thanks to Scott Mann, Santiago Pineda, & Bob Harris for your efforts with these CB&Q E5 models !!! A FIRST in 3-rail O-gauge !!!

CB&Q Bill

FYI

BRHS (Burlington Route Historical Society) just released Burlington Bulletin No. 57 "An E5 Homage".  

This is a 99 page magazine format bulletin packed with photos, blueprints, & wonderful information on Burlington's E5 fleet.  

It is available at hobby stores and on BRHS's website for $35.00.

www.burlingtonroute.org

 

BRHS' 2019 Fall Meet will be in Sandwich IL on Wed 09/18, Thu 09/19, Fri 09/20, Sat 09/21, & Sun 09/22.  

I have heard a rumor that a set of 3rd Rail E5A & E5B may be on display with Lionel's semi-scale chrome-plated 60' aluminum California Zephyr cars.  

Another set of Lionel or K-Line cars may be displayed behind MTH Premier E6A set #9997AB (decorated in the Q's E7 scheme).  

2019 is the 40th anniversary of BRHS, the 70th anniversary of the California Zephyr, and the 170th anniversary of the CB&Q. 

CB&Q Bill

CBQ_Bill posted:

I really love the tooling, the truck skirts, the black window & nose striping on the nose, the prototypical Zephyr Gothic lettering, detailed closed pilot (with an optional open pilot & coupler), nice opening cab doors (the left side door is stuck open), engineer & fireman figures, correct version of the Burlington Route herald on the nose, EMC/EMD builder plate, & dual powered Blomberg trucks.  The diaphragms are very detailed, too.  

The E5B is also very great with powered trucks.  Mine came out of the box with a pink grease smear on one side that I wiped off with Kleenex tissue (does not appear to be any permanent damage).  

The silver paint is very nice too, butI would have preferred a simulated stainless steel finish.   

I'm quite pleased with the finish, Scott explored ways to match his plated brass sheets found on Santa Fe diesels. The finish is superior to Atlas CZ cars... Not plated finish, but satisfactory nonetheless. 

My models came with the Operating & Maintenance Instructions for the 2-rail O-scale versions. I e-mailed Scott Mann a few hours ago & he has already responded with the pdf file for the 3-rail O-gauger versions.  THANK YOU, Scott.

I realize that for these as-delivered versions of the E5A & E5B that there were no E5 plates of painted units numbers on the sides.  Although maybe not prototypical for the as-delivered time period, I do like these details & may add them myself if I can find the appropriate decals in O-scale.

Do as you may. It's better to get accurate engines and add whatever you feel like than getting inaccurate engines and having to upgrade them or return them...

Oh, the styrofoam boxes & packaging are FANTASTIC & easy to repack these models for storage !!!  Much better than 3rd Rail's steamer packaging.  

The only thing that I dislike is my E5A unit's name Silver Carrier.  Of all of the 16 prototypical Silver names on the Q's E5 fleet, this is my least favorite.  The Q's main ad slogan was EVERYWHERE WEST.  The other E5A Silver names evoke either that western theme (i.e., Bullet, Arrow, Chief), an equine theme (Racer), water-craft theme (Pilot, Clipper), or a high-speed theme (Speed, Meteor, Wings, Swift).  To me, the name Silver Carrier is as mundane & as inappropriate as "Silver Bus" for such a beautiful locomotive.  I wish I could trade it for a E5A #9910A Silver Speed so that I would al least have both #9910A & #9910B as a matched set.  I wish that these details of the Silver names & road #s had been available at reservation time so that I could have had a choice.  

Notice that Scott produced Phase II E5's only. Silver Speed is a phase I engine and it wasn't produced. The names were corrected before delivery. Silver Speed is wrong for phase II engines. Silver Power is correct because there were NO phases in B units. So B units were matched with both Phase I and Phase II engines.

CB&Q Bill 

 

Silver Swift and a B unit

Frank McCabe posted:

Here is the Rockford O Scalers Video of the AT&SF  E-6s.

 

W-O-W!!!!!

Hi Santiago:

Thanks for the post.  

Page 1 of this thread has a photo posted by Scott Mann of Silver Speed.  Was the name changed on this model before being sold into the market ?

I am a big fan of accurate paint schemes & road #s applied to models of equipment that CB&Q, C&S, and FW&D actually had.  However, I am by no means a rivet counter.  If the Phase I & Phase II details are off just a bit, that does not bother me at all.  Any O-scale or O-gauge layout will be a mix of eras with some compromises on prototypicality due to limited availability of BR models and limited space in our basements for prototypical curves & distances.  

I have a 1/1 scale stainless steel replica of an E5 model plate of the wall of my basement.  I would like to have an E5 model plate decal on my 3rd Rail E5 models so that visitors can associate the model with the reproduction E5 model plate.  

I just do not like the prototypical name Silver CARRIER & am very disappointed that the details of road # & Silver names for these models were not made readily available to ALL customers at time of reservation.  Maybe you had a choice in your road #s & Silver names (because you were closely collaborating with Scott), but I did not have any opportunity to make that choice.  

I would be completely happy with Silver ARROW, Silver SWIFT, or Silver CLIPPER.  These are expensive models; customers deserve a choice.  

As for the finish, you mentioned the Altlas O CZ cars.  Although these cars are prototypical 85' length in O-scale (21") with lots of detail, I have no plans to purchase them.  The silver paint just does not look as Zephyr-esque to me as the Lionel & K-Line chrome-plated aluminum cars.  The overhang on Atlas O's cars on 72" curves also looks much less prototypical to me than the overhang of the aluminum 60' (15") cars.  The exterior of the E5s was fabricated of stainless steel, just like the shovel nose Zephyr diesels.  

Well, enough for tonight.

CB&Q Bill

It's a good thing I didn't let the names out for people to choose. Cause they were wrong...

sdmann posted:

It's a good thing I didn't let the names out for people to choose. Cause they were wrong...

You mean there wasn't any "Hi Yo Silver"!!! Awwww Mann! 

Simon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_E5

I hope mine arrives as Silver Surfer!

Anyone doing touch up work on the E5’s vallejos silver is a close to perfect match...

Hi Santiago:

Thanks for sharing this tip.  I will get a bottle for future touch ups.  One of the truck skirts on my B unit did arrive with a minor scratch.

CB&Q Bill

Hi Scott Mann:

I called 3RD Rail Sunset's phone number on Monday & briefly spoke with Shani (not sure of spelling).  I was ready to buy another E5A & E5B set if one of the 2 available had names different than E5A Silver Carrier (AirConditioner) & E5B Silver Power (Generator).  But alas, your 2 remaining sets have the same Silver names.  

You said above "that it is a good thing that you didn't let the Silver names out . . . because they were wrong".  

Locomotive models are as much a work of art as they are prototypical replicates of the 1/1 scale object.  Your Phase II tooling gets an A+ for nailing the prototypical details of E5 Phase II.  However, in the slavish insistence on sticking to the prototypical names for Phase II, the spirit & essence of the CB&Q E5A are sorely missing from your product.  

I looked through my e-mail O-Gauge file tonight through e-mails between us from 2003 & your recent 3RD Rail/GDD newsletters.  The first mention of the CB&Q E5 occurred on 04/29/2018 in your MAY-2018 newsletter with a photo of Illinois Railway Museum's EMC/EMD Phase I CB&Q E5A #9911A Silver in its shimmering stainless steel (SS) finish with SS side fluting, black nose stripes, black grill stripes, E5 model plate, sans truck skirts, and with name SILVER PILOT on its shimmering SS sides.   This photo was repeated in 11 more newsletters from May-2018 through MAR-2019, a total of 12 times.  Between mid MAR-2019 and now, 3RD Rail issued 5 more newsletters with absolutely no mention of the E6/E5 project & without the photo of SILVER PILOT at IRM.  

The inclusion of SILVER PILOT's photo implied that you would include this road name in an E5 Phase I model with shimmering simulated SS finish with the details from the photo mentioned above.  The absence of SILVER PILOT & imitation SS finish in your final product is misleading at best & false advertising at worst.  

You say that your model is a Phase II E5. Okay, I can live with that, I am not a slave to prototypical details if the spirit & essence of the prototype is captured in 3-rail O-gauge.  I love your Phase II tooling and you get an A+ for it.  It has the side fluting, the correct Mars & headlight housing (which is different from the standard E6 housing), slanted nose, closed & open-with-coupler pilot options.  As a bonus, your tooling includes the removable truck skirts.  This tooling is a 1st in 3-rail O-gauge !!! 

I was expecting a shimmering imitation SS plated finish similar to what Lionel did with their 1980 Texas Zephyr F3AA set and their recent E7 AA set.  Instead, it has silver paint (the most striking feature of the E5 is the shimmering SS exterior).  I was wanting the E5 AB models' finish to match my 60' scale (Lionel, K-Line, Williams, & MTH) & 70' scale (MTH) plated aluminum Zephyr cars, but your silver paint job does not match those.  I wanted the E5 AB models to stand out in shimmering plated imitation SS when displayed along side my silver painted CB&Q F3s (MTH & Williams), E6s (MTH, decorated in an outstanding E7 livery with E6 plates & fictional  #9997 A&B), E7s (Williams), and E8s (K-Line).  Instead of standing out, the E5s blend in like nothing any more special.  

The window & grill nose string in black, the BR herald, the Zephyr Gothic letting, & EMC/EMD builders plate are wonderful details.  The model should have included the E5 model plates because this is in your photo of SILVER PILOT at IRM, most Q fans will want this after seeing SILVER PILOT at IRM, and their are no commercially available E5 model plate decals commercially available for your customers to obtain & apply on our own.

Last, the final insult is that I am stuck with the lack-luster name Silver Carrier, which is my least favorite prototypical E5 name.  I think of Carrier AIR CONDITIONERS when I see this name.  If you had included useful updates about available Silver Names in your newsletters, I would have selected E5A, Silver Arrow, Silver Swift, or Silver Clipper and been much happier living with this model.  By the way, there are no commercially available O-scale decals with alternative CB&Q E5 Silver Names of your customers to obtain & apply on our own.  

Are your E5B models truly Phase I or are they really Phase II B units with Phase I Silver Names ?  Besides Silver Power, what other names were used on your E5B models ?

I also did not realize from your sparse detail in your newsletters & website that there was an option to order two (2) E5A units instead of an E5A/E5B set.  If this choice had been stated in your materials, I would have opted for two (2) E5A units with 2 separate Silver Names.  

I would be a much happier 3rd Rail E5 customer if you could modify (at your expense) my E5A model to Silver Speed #9910A to match the E5B Silver Power (which is #9911B).    

Or, modify one of your remaining E5A & E5B sets to SILVER PILOT #9911A & SILVER MATE (#9911B), send them to Chicagoland Hobby or me in exchange for the set that I have.  

I have one # of each of your CB&Q steam engines, 2 of your CB&Q wood waycars (cabooses for non-Q fans), 3 of your 70' CB&Q heavyweight cars, wood coal tour, and several sets of your Little People figures.  I love all of these items.  They capture the spirit & essence of the CB&Q.  Some of the BRHS folks have told me that some of the details on #5632, #3007, & #4978 are incorrect, but I still love them.  

Please correct a set of E5 models with Silver Name(s) that I can live with and be proud to display at upcoming BRHS meets.  

CB&Q Bill

 

 

Scott Mann:

I also passed on my pre-order for Lionel's E7 AA set, which had a beautiful shimmering imitation SS side panels, to wait for your E5 models.  Please don't make me regret that decision.

CB&Q Bill.  

Bill with all due respect, you're not making any sense. You're bashing an importer for making an accurate model with an accurate name... And not guessing your personal preference... seriously? 

rdunniii posted:

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

QSI is a mess.... Thy don't know the difference between complex and complicated... ESU FTW. 

Everyone agrees, except the people who run regular DC 2-rail which QSI is still the best.  There are still a significant number of 2-railers who are DC or nothing.  Enough that they make a project go or no go.  

He is going to have to change sometime in the future unless QSI decides to change.  The availability of chips is drying up and Scott has to buy something like 15-20 thousand for QSI to make any more.

I’m a 3rd Rail fan, but I have never understood the decision to go with a hardwired decoder. Especially QSI. With Most two railers being DC the logical choice would have been to just offer a DC model and let the DCC folks install their own. Better yet do what Atlas did and install a DCC motherboard with a DC shorting plug that can be replaced with a decoder if desired.

Im a DCC guy. I am also admittedly a sound snob. My family has been in professional audio production my whole life. Sound is as important to me as details are to most 2 railers. I have a good number of units on order and I’m just not sure I want to have to gut each brand new model to replace the decoder and speaker.  I would not be happy with QSI. That’s why I sold my Atlas F units.

Any idea when the change might come and to which decoder?

CBQ_Bill posted:

Scott Mann:

I also passed on my pre-order for Lionel's E7 AA set, which had a beautiful shimmering imitation SS side panels, to wait for your E5 models.  Please don't make me regret that decision.

CB&Q Bill.  

If you are so dissatisfied with your purchase perhaps you should return it and order the Lionel E7s. 

I’m going all out in my set and loving it...

Here’s a tip Wiseman model Services (eBay) makes appropriate steam signal lines for diesels... below with some other psc parts...

E5 enthusiasts may wanna paint the wheels dull aluminum like the rest of the underbody parts such as fuel tank and trucks...

I admit, the QSI system is not for everyone. But, they seem to have the best out of the box, DC capability of any of the O Scale decoders. You can blow the whistle, ring the bell by simply flipping the polarity while running a QSI equipped engine under DC,  or get a QSI Quantum engineer and access most of the DCC functionality without having DCC.  As for durability they can handle 10 AMPs so we almost never have any failures after delivery. But if there's one thing about 2 Rail, there's a lot of variations of what people want.  So for the time being, we will continue to offer QSI systems in our models, and you may have to gut them to put your own system in them or to run DC without sound. That's model railroading. If you don't like it, change it.

 

I'm still bummed about NO Hi Yo Silver! 

Simon

sdmann posted:

I admit, the QSI system is not for everyone. But, they seem to have the best out of the box, DC capability of any of the O Scale decoders. You can blow the whistle, ring the bell by simply flipping the polarity while running a QSI equipped engine under DC,  or get a QSI Quantum engineer and access most of the DCC functionality without having DCC.  As for durability they can handle 10 AMPs so we almost never have any failures after delivery. But if there's one thing about 2 Rail, there's a lot of variations of what people want.  So for the time being, we will continue to offer QSI systems in our models, and you may have to gut them to put your own system in them or to run DC without sound. That's model railroading. If you don't like it, change it.

 

I just wish people were as critical and demanding of sound in O as they are details and paint colors. Kohs has the same strange mix of amazing detail with awful sounds.

Oddly, HO modelers are much more keen on getting the correct sounds for their models. You would think it would be the other way around with O’s potential for great sound.

jonnyspeed posted: 

I just wish people were as critical and demanding of sound in O as they are details and paint colors.

 

Who cares what kind of NOISE it makes if it doesn't LOOK like it SHOULD. It's a model, NOT a sound system! I want my money going toward a CORRECT model. If I want sound I'll turn on the stereo.

Simon

there are only two builders of DCC sound decoders I ever purchase: QSI and ESU.

sound is as much about the speaker installation as it is the decoder. a poorly planned and executed speaker installation ruins the best decoder.

QSI's Q3 technology is nearly unmatched in the marketplace. sure, with all the variables it can be quite daunting to sift through the multiple steps to change CVs. however JMRI makes short work of that. if QSIS had not imploded, public opinion about QSI products would be a lot different.

If 60% are DCC and 40% are DC (plus the 3-rail folks) and 100% are necessary to meet the minimum then, for the time being it's QSI or no models.  Take your pick.  Not going to say anything else or it will be political.

And why would ESU spend the time and money working up 2-rail DC when the market is so small and working it's way towards anachronism status.

I may be waiting a long time for an E6 2nd run of roads that I couldn’t get all at once BUT

How many reservations would it take to get the following to fly ????  Anyone othe than me want to see these in O gauge?TrainBub

Simon Winter posted:

sdmann posted:

It's a good thing I didn't let the names out for people to choose. Cause they were wrong...

You mean there wasn't any "Hi Yo Silver"!!! Awwww Mann! 

Simon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EMD_E5

Hi Simon:

I like your thought.  In order to expand on their Everywhere West imagery, CB&Q would have made a better choice with either Silver LONER or Silver RANGER (instead of Silver Carrier) for one of their Phase II E5As.

CB&Q Bill 

SANTIAGOP23 posted:

Bill with all due respect, you're not making any sense. You're bashing an importer for making an accurate model with an accurate name... And not guessing your personal preference... seriously? 

Hi Santiago:

Thanks for the response.

I am not "bashing" 3RD Rail, I am providing feedback.  I gave several strong compliments about aspects of the E5A & E5B models that are FANTASTIC and constructive feedback on the aspects that completely missed the mark.  

Please remember that the only communication in 3RD Rail's newsletters & website were a few sparse words & a photo of Phase I E5A Silver PILOT #9911A.  The delivered model is Phase II (which is okay with me) but it does not carry the name Silver PILOT which I wanted even if it is a slight deviation from prototype.  Or, if 3RD Rail had communicated to its customer base via its website & newsletter on the final offerings prior to delivery, I would have then selected two (2) E5A units with different names so that I would have had at least one E5A with a name that I like (Silver SWIFT, Silver ARROW, & Silver CLIPPER) would all have been acceptable alternatives to the name Silver PILOT).  

If you are fine with the name Silver CARRIER, then would you please exchange either your Silver ARROW or Silver SWIFT for it ?  Mine is 3-rail; if yours is 2-rail, maybe we can swap out the shells.  If you live in the Chicago area, we can meet this weekend for the swap.  Good meeting places would be Museum of Science & Industry (home of PIONEER ZEPHYR), Aurora Roundhouse & Transportation Center (former CB&Q gallery cars still in service on BNSF, lunch in Q RH, EV waycar on display, historical displays in Q shop building, and many nearby wood waycars & depot museums), or Illinois Railway Museum (home of Silver PILOT, Hudson #3007, Mikado #4963, & #637). 

Scott Mann has contacted me.  He plans to call me next week to discuss the situation.  Thank you Scott.   

CB&Q Bill