Finest ever produced?

it would have been nice to see the cab detail.  there is no doubt that the ability to add detail increases with scale size.

I think so.  There are some Allegheny experts out there - if you really plan on buying this thing I can ask.

The price is way above my pay grade. And the description says it has some cosmetic issues. It does look to be a highly detailed model but I would be satisfied with a model by MTH or Lionel.

MELGAR

The Lionel JLC model is no slouch. 

Close to 9K, wow that's a big investment in a garden toy. But that said it would be a beautiful thing  to watch work.

I missed the stats where they tell you how much the shipping weight is.

I would bet that it has to weigh in at 45 pounds or more.

Ah, the "bigger is better" syndrome.

daylight posted:

 

 Is this the finest Allegheny ever produced regardless of scale

 

Maybe on looks, but these FAM trains are not made to run. I would prefer the ASTER version so I could run it: https://www.southernsteamtrains.com/aallegheny.htm

Regards

Fred

Note: I would have assumed the guys from BRASSTRAINS.COM would know something about gauge and scale; calling this 1:32 Gauge 1 item G  Scale it totally wrong.

overlandflyer posted:

it would have been nice to see the cab detail.  there is no doubt that the ability to add detail increases with scale size.

Overlandflyer, here ya go.

bob2 posted:

I think so.  There are some Allegheny experts out there - if you really plan on buying this thing I can ask.

bob2 posted:

I think so.  There are some Allegheny experts out there - if you really plan on buying this thing I can ask.

Possible, a huge stretch.  Please ask.

Thanks to everyone for your opinions; much appreciated

Fred and TinplateArt, glad you responded and wished you would have.

I agree, 'calling this 1:32 Gauge 1 item G  Scale it totally wrong."

There is another one on ebay , I think.  Claim is "never used" but asking $10,500

What's wrong with classifying it as G Scale as it runs on 45mm track??!!

Accucraft has a live steam version still in stock for $8K.

https://www.accucraftestore.com/g1-h8-allegheny

I don't ever recall seeing a scale C&O locomotive (in 1:1 or model) with white lettering like this one has, instead of yellow.

Is that right?

TRW

Beautiful model, but the lettering should be dulux gold, not white! Unforgivable mistake on a $9K model. And the sound system is horrible.

Ken

Casey Jones2 posted:

What's wrong with classifying it as G Scale as it runs on 45mm track??!!

 

There is a difference between gauge and scale. See http://sncf231e.nl/gauge-and-scale/

Regards

Fred

kanawha posted:

Beautiful model, but the lettering should be dulux gold, not white! Unforgivable mistake on a $9K model. And the sound system is horrible.

Ken

I agree about the sound, didn't know about the should be gold lettering. Well then, that is probably the death nail; poor sound ( and no smoke).

Expensive shelf queen

Thank you

Casey Jones2 posted:

What's wrong with classifying it as G Scale as it runs on 45mm track??!!

Accucraft has a live steam version still in stock for $8K.

https://www.accucraftestore.com/g1-h8-allegheny

while it isn't technically wrong to call this model G scale, it may be the least useful information that could possibly be presented.  in the same breath, outdoor railroaders have no problem calling any of the popular garden scales from 1:32 up to 1:20.3, G scale.

other model scales have adopted standard designations to indicate the same scale on different gauge track as in HOn3 (indicating 1:87 scale on 3' prototype track) or On2 (as 1:48 scale on 2' gauge).  outdoor railroaders, all using the same 45mm (1.77") gauge track, accommodate the different gauges by changing the scale.  in outdoor railroading, #1 gauge track is used to represent a number of different prototype gauges.

from its recent roots in outdoor garden railroading, these mostly cosmetic-priority modelers were initially presented with the ambiguous LGB scale who loosely based their models on European prototypes running on meter gauge track.  scale, or rather scale-to-gauge ratio error seemed as much of a concern to this crowd as it did to 3-rail O gauge equipment operators.  when American three foot narrow gauge prototype models joined this gauge, things likely seemed close enough that a general catch-all scale designation of "G" was informally adopted to the narrow gauge use of 45mm track.  whether the "G" relates to the LGB heritage or the result of a general term for "Garden" railroading it started to be used interchangeably to reference both the narrow gauge track and the model scale(s).

with the introduction of modern US standard gauge (56.5") models, things got even more confusing.  there is a general misconception by most people that gauge and scale are essentially interchangeable, and now it seemed that anything running on 45mm track, now often referred to as G gauge, could be termed G scale.

the NMRA took up this challenge and actually assigned two new designations to the use of #1 gauge (45mm) track...

1:20.3 scale was assigned the letter designation of "F", and with the standard notation for narrow gauge modeling, its use with 45mm track would be designated Fn3.  this is the correct designation for US 3' narrow gauge models running on 45mm gauge track.

NMRA then defined a more general "LS" (for Large Scale) which is more of a definition of wheel clearance standards vs any definition of model scale, so in a way, there is still no precise definition for #1 gauge track treated as US standard gauge.  the two scales that seem to be most prevalent are 1:32 and 1:29 scale.  and while 1:32 is overwhelmingly the more accurate scale for this gauge (less than 0.05% vs over 9% scale to gauge ratio error for 1:29), there is no overlooking the pervasiveness of the noticeably oversize 1:29 models in the hobby.

IMO, MTH perhaps came the closest to an acceptable designation for their 1:32 models as "One Gauge" with the obvious reference to the heritage of #1 gauge track from the 19th century definition, or my personal preference for "#1 scale" or simply "OneScale".

the debate will likely continue.
cheers...gary

i have no facts to present, but companies like this often do extensive research and detail models of locomotives from various periods in time.  note, for instance some GG1 prototypes that went through up to 1/2 a dozen or more liveries in their lifetimes.  i would not write off the possibility that the prototype of this H8 class model did not display white lettering sometime in its career.

i have seen the Accucraft Allegheny running and while it has some flaws, i'll always take a live steamer over an electric locomotive in #1 gauge.

overlandflyer posted:

Casey Jones2 posted:

What's wrong with classifying it as G Scale as it runs on 45mm track??!!

Accucraft has a live steam version still in stock for $8K.

https://www.accucraftestore.com/g1-h8-allegheny

while it isn't technically wrong to call this model G scale, it may be the least useful information that could possibly be presented.  in the same breath, outdoor railroaders have no problem calling any of the popular garden scales from 1:32 up to 1:20.3, G scale.

other model scales have adopted standard designations to indicate the same scale on different gauge track as in HOn3 (indicating 1:87 scale on 3' prototype track) or On2 (as 1:48 scale on 2' gauge).  outdoor railroaders, all using the same 45mm (1.77") gauge track, accommodate the different gauges by changing the scale.  in outdoor railroading, #1 gauge track is used to represent a number of different prototype gauges.

from its recent roots in outdoor garden railroading, these mostly cosmetic-priority modelers were initially presented with the ambiguous LGB scale who loosely based their models on European prototypes running on meter gauge track.  scale, or rather scale-to-gauge ratio error seemed as much of a concern to this crowd as it did to 3-rail O gauge equipment operators.  when American three foot narrow gauge prototype models joined this gauge, things likely seemed close enough that a general catch-all scale designation of "G" was informally adopted to the narrow gauge use of 45mm track.  whether the "G" relates to the LGB heritage or the result of a general term for "Garden" railroading it started to be used interchangeably to reference both the narrow gauge track and the model scale(s).

with the introduction of modern US standard gauge (56.5") models, things got even more confusing.  there is a general misconception by most people that gauge and scale are essentially interchangeable, and now it seemed that anything running on 45mm track, now often referred to as G gauge, could be termed G scale.

the NMRA took up this challenge and actually assigned two new designations to the use of #1 gauge (45mm) track...

1:20.3 scale was assigned the letter designation of "F", and with the standard notation for narrow gauge modeling, its use with 45mm track would be designated Fn3.  this is the correct designation for US 3' narrow gauge models running on 45mm gauge track.

NMRA then defined a more general "LS" (for Large Scale) which is more of a definition of wheel clearance standards vs any definition of model scale, so in a way, there is still no precise definition for #1 gauge track treated as US standard gauge.  the two scales that seem to be most prevalent are 1:32 and 1:29 scale.  and while 1:32 is overwhelmingly the more accurate scale for this gauge (less than 0.05% vs over 9% scale to gauge ratio error for 1:29), there is no overlooking the pervasiveness of the noticeably oversize 1:29 models in the hobby.

IMO, MTH perhaps came the closest to an acceptable designation for their 1:32 models as "One Gauge" with the obvious reference to the heritage of #1 gauge track from the 19th century definition, or my personal preference for "#1 scale" or simply "OneScale".

the debate will likely continue.
cheers...gary

Excellent article, thank you

overlandflyer posted:

i have no facts to present, but companies like this often do extensive research and detail models of locomotives from various periods in time.  note, for instance some GG1 prototypes that went through up to 1/2 a dozen or more liveries in their lifetimes.  i would not write off the possibility that the prototype of this H8 class model did not display white lettering sometime in its career.

i have seen the Accucraft Allegheny running and while it has some flaws, i'll always take a live steamer over an electric locomotive in #1 gauge.

Overlandflyer, do you recall the flaws. I must be naïve but flaws in an $8,000. locomotive

daylight posted:

overlandflyer posted:

i have no facts to present, but companies like this often do extensive research and detail models of locomotives from various periods in time.  note, for instance some GG1 prototypes that went through up to 1/2 a dozen or more liveries in their lifetimes.  i would not write off the possibility that the prototype of this H8 class model did not display white lettering sometime in its career.

i have seen the Accucraft Allegheny running and while it has some flaws, i'll always take a live steamer over an electric locomotive in #1 gauge.

Overlandflyer, do you recall the flaws. I must be naïve but flaws in an $8,000. locomotive

with a live steam model some concessions made are either structurally essential or cost prohibitive.  unlike the Aster models, Accucraft does not use the articulated joints to feed steam to the forward engines, but in their defense, it is done rather well.  cosmetically, the Accucraft model looks fine.  believe me, when one of these locomotives is operating, very few people watching seem to care about the rivet count.

if you saw that BRASSTRAINS ad and considered the white gloves that were included an essential adjunct to your modeling, live steam probably isn't for you.