Fox Valley Models S #5turnouts Now Available

There were quite a few of them on display at Indy 0 & S show Saturday.  Real nice,  Nice proportions.  Frog can handle most anything.  I believe the price was around $34.  One third the price of Atlas O 2 rail and much better appearing.  Copper straps embedded. All rails electrically connected,  frog tab for powering off to side.  Properly insulated frog, rails can not jam into frog.  Secondary frog milling for increased compatibility.   Just a real nice piece.  Goes perfectly with their flex track.  Great time to be in S.

An email I received from one of the guys on the YaHoo S Scale board indicates folks might try contacting Fox Valley Models directly for the availability of the turnouts...

Rusty, it’s not so much availability of the turnouts, but rather no one is commenting from a user’s point of view. They appear to have a mixing of the metals in the rail department, similar to AMs turnouts. I would like to know what will run through the Hi-rail model. I’m guessing that the scale turnouts will not allow for Hi-rail operation though I’m not sure why not. A scale/Hi-rail turnout is easy to make, the problem is getting Flyer to cooperate, too. Conversely, a Hi-rail/Flyer turnout is also easy to make, but then scale won’t play.

I’m only talking about open frog turnouts, I am aware there are other ways to get all 3 to play nicely together.

Tom Stoltz – in Maine

Tom Stoltz posted:

 

 I’m guessing that the scale turnouts will not allow for Hi-rail operation though I’m not sure why not.

 

Tom Stoltz – in Maine

Well, here's a crop from a picture I took at last year's S-Fest.  The scale version is the upper, hirail the lower:

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As can be seen, the frog and guardrails have more generous clearances on the hiral version.  Fox Valley had a pair of SHS trucks there, one scale, one hirail.  The SHS hirail truck won't make it through the scale frog, but bounce and usually derail. 

How well the Fox Valley hirail turnout will play with Flyer wheels is anybody's guess because there's a certain lack of consistency for gauge and flange depth on Flyer wheels...  I have some Lionel/MPC cars that the flanges bump on the molded spikes on AM's track. 

AM and SHS/MTH wheels should have no problem.

I'm not in the market for track right now, so I haven't picked up any of these to play with.

Rusty

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Based on personal experience any open frog turnout that will work with scale and high rail wheels is unforgiving of incorrectly gauged high rail wheels. There might be a customer satisfaction issue if a commercial product were offered with a combination design.

Here is a picture of some of my turnouts during fabrication. the spacing looks wide in the picture but the guard and wing rail gaps barely pass a Gilbert or Lionel high rail wheel. Slightly off gauge they will jump up and usually derail.

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Tom

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I did not build these myself, I had them custom built for me using modified FasTrack jigs. I have neither time, patience nor skills to build 46 of these at this quality level. I unfortunately do not have pictures of the actual assembly. Below is a picture during layout construction that was emailed to me. It is low resolution but the four cuts for isolating the frog are visible as well as the frog insert to pick up the wheel flanges. The spike heads are not quite visible. The uncoupler and custom made sensor track are also in the picture. After weathering and ballasting they exactly match the rest of the track.

 

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Tom

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The Fox Valley turnouts look good and I sure hope they do well in the S gauge market. Two years ago when I needed turnouts there was no source that could supply the quantity in the time we needed them.

Tom Stoltz, here are two of your turnouts, not my layout. These are really nice. Below that is a closeup of the frog area of one of the #5 turnouts on my layout.

I do not want to get off the subject of the turnouts here, so I will do a separate thread on layout pictures  

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Tom

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jonnyspeed posted:
Bill $ posted:

All sold out!  Additional turnouts are due to arrive in October.

Crap... I guess that's good news though. We are starved for product.

A month has gone by since DPH sold out of their first shipment on turnouts and still no users report on any of the S lists I am on.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

Perhaps no one feels qualified to review turnouts.  There hasn't been much if anything said on the Yahoo boards (S-Scale has moved to groups.io, S-Trains is in process of moving,) since they've become available, either.

I personally have no need for any new track right now and even if I did, I'd have to shim my code 100 track to use the Fox Valley turnouts.  I may pick up a pair and some flex eventually to play with, but it's not high on my priority list.

Rusty

Well, maybe. Still people don’t shy away from commenting about the Flyonel turnouts or track for that matter. Also, this might really be the wrong forum because it is mostly a Lionel site.

I did post on the S-Trains list, however I have not had a response yet. In the past new turnouts or track would have garnered much attention and evaluation. I am quite surprised by the lack of response. And it’s not like there is an abundance of Hi-rail trackage out there.

Tom Stoltz in Maine

I have a layout using exclusively Gilbert American flyer track and turnouts but, my oh my, these turnouts and crossing are great looking. I myself like the toy train appearance of the flyer track but, if I would go back and redo the entire layout I think these in hi-rail would be my choice. It is to bad that no one has reviewed these. I know some BSG members have talked about these but I don't know if they have gotten to the point of having these installed and in use yet. I will inquire about these.

Ray

Tom Stoltz posted:

So 12 days since these were sold out and nobody has a review?  I did see a blurb on the S-scale list that they look nice…

Tom Stoltz

in Maine

Tom, I purchased  about 20 switches and as I said before they are great. I run scale couplers with hirail wheels. All brands go through frogs with ease. American Models, SHS, Lionel, and Des Plaines Hobbies cars go through without any wheel hop. Easy to connect to SHS and Lionel track with no wheel hump. Seem to be same height as the eye can see. You can feel that they are the same height. It took two layers of Des Plaines Hobbies cork to equal the height of Lionel and SHS plastic roadbed. It has an open frog design with inner guardrails. No stalling of any engines at slow speeds over frog and Lionel sound keeps going. There are switch throw rods on  each side, so you can easily adapt to any switch motor. When using them manually they lock in position and do not  jump out until switched again. They have solid stainless rail. Tie color match SHS and Lionel. Make sure you buy extra track joiners. You can use SHS yellow insulated joiners and they fit perfectly or you can use the Fox Valley Models rail joiners. If you have any problems with the switch you can send it back to them and get a new one. We had one that came in with a rail broken off in the box and we sent it back and got a new one. Sure beats building your own using a jig for $34.00 per switch. 

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