Well, where is it Mike???  You know, with charging lights?

I guess I'd better finally get started. I waited too long. I need better tooling to handle tiny parts but here goes......

( I may as well build another SD70ACe while I'm at it too)

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I have had experience handling several different materials. That helps me work the plastic. I think many people here could do this. It just involves some time and desire. With practice, the models hopefully will get better!

 The nice thing about modern diesels is that all the panels are flat pieces of steel. Getting the angles right on the cabs, takes a bit of practice.

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AMCDave posted:

Plastic is my preference for building too.  But no matter the material I enjoy seeing others work. 

My O scale intermodal well car....I hope to build about 10....3 down! 

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That looks great! thanks for sharing. I want that in G scale!

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OK, raining again and I'm bored. So I did a little bit more. I cut stuff up for the inter cooler thinger.

I made a plate to fit the hole, cut in 2 circles. Then I attached a piece of fine mesh screen. Filed it to fit. 

I made a pair of fans for looks too. I will mount them to a scrap bar of plastic.

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Impressive Joe....hope it rains more

Thanks. Now it looks like 80% chance of rain, 80% of the week.

So............ I'm back at it.

It's just the layout stages so be kind.

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Soon I'll figure out where to go next! Lots of screens to make.  & I hate screens!

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The drawings I'm using from the article in Model RR mag are missing lines near the front of the GE's cab up top. There's something that the drawing took liberty and doesn't appear to be totally accurate. I found out the hard way and now have to re-cut several pieces a little longer. The cab has plates of metal that end short of the front and the drawing seems to have mixed these with the front edges.

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All I can say for anyone wishing to build these is stay with it! All the angles can drive you stir crazy. I just have to do a little bit at a time, and stay at it as long as I can. I think that the EMD ( Cat ) cab of the SD70ACE was easier. There's a few more angles on the GE cab that are tougher to nail down exactly.

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I could have settled for a MTH Dash 8 fuel tank.... well maybe if I could have got an extra one?

It doesn't have the right profile so I really got into something here. This tank maybe just as tuff to build as the cab?

It probably will take me days to finish. There's a shelf that needs to be cut in for the air tanks still to go. Some type of mounting flanges and the shelves on the sides.

 I may make my own custom truck sideframes as well? Just a few more years to go.... (Mike Wolf help!)

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I added the frame rails now,

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Joe, I just read your whole thread and WOW! Great work, where do you get the base for tis or do you make it also? Im guessing you just have motors laying around to put in there! LOL

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mike g. posted:

Joe, I just read your whole thread and WOW! Great work, where do you get the base for tis or do you make it also? Im guessing you just have motors laying around to put in there! LOL

The base? If you mean the drawings that I'm building from, they were in Model RR mag.

If you mean the frame and trucks, I scratch built the frame and the trucks are from a MTH Dash 8 ( I have 2 extra sets).

Thank you.

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So yesterday, I didn't get anything done. Today started off the same. I did get some ballast to start things off. My girl made pizza and there was extra sauce left. So I did think of a good use for it!

... oh and I did get a little more done on the fuel tank. I still have to flush the edges of the thin top cover panels.

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 Seems like a very wet August so far for us!

I started cutting panels for detail. I'll have to figure out how to make the no slip raised centers on them?

I also need to make the triangular lift rings that are on this GE's roof panels. Maybe someone already makes them in brass?

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I started work on the lights. I cut in the front headlight recess and added the panel. I also did the rear (tail?) lights. I will still need to cut in the sand fill panel on the rear and add plates to hold the front ditch lights.

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I can't always blame it on the rain. So I have to add the humidity! (it's a Northeast thing) 

The basement was 63 degrees the other day. Hard to stay outside when the dew point is higher. I'm getting soft.

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AGHRMatt posted:

Nice work, Joe. Noticed what looked like chase lights.

Yeap! 2

I will search for more active pins (maybe rear ditch lights?) Front markers don't work? I'm not using them anyways. That maybe something?

I need to see what my O scale Evo is connected to. I believe it would take three flashing in sequence to fool our eyes. I only see two active right now.

I will try to connect them to SMD LEDs.

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There was a comment about a post where I was getting help on my charging lights. It made me aware that I hadn't updated this post on where this build is at. So I will add a link to that helpful post for anyone following along that missed it. Thanks goes out again to Stan and GRJ for their help.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/micro-leds?page=3

Basically, here it is again. The video of the lights just hanging there for a test.

I will mount the lights permanently and repost when I have something better to add.

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I didn't realize how much time has passed since I worked on this engine. Many things popped up that had to be done. Nice weather needs to be taken advantage of before the winter sets in. I finally made it downstairs to do some more work on this. I spent extra time trying to get some bad castings to work with the metal screens. I should have just made new ones from scratch.

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WOW. Where does the time go? I see this engine in the corner of my eye laying around. I never work on it. Other things keep me busy until I finally realize how long it's been lying here waiting. Some of the side panels (doors actually) have mesh grilles that have kept me from attempting to make them. I have the material and have done it before. I just have to push past the initial fear and dive back into it. It would be better to make something that needs tweaking, than to do nothing at all.

 I just noticed many of my outside lights aren't working and the mulch needs spreading so maybe soon after I'll be back.

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I have been avoiding the next steps..... the pilot steps for some time. I can do angles, I just hate the math. Usually I wing it and get things close enough. These modern GE's have 6 steps and the older MTH Dash 8 version only had five. I was going to just go with five but there's other details on the pilots that I'd like to model.

 So.... here I go. I figure that the six steps have a run that equals about 20 degrees from vertical. Sounded simple enough to model except that the pilot is not a square or even a rectangular box. It has sides that are at angles too. To make matters worse I believe the front pilot is different from the rear. I maybe wrong about that but I already cut the frame and have to custom build each pilot to match.

 The front pilot is where I'm starting and the cab side of the pilot has an angle cut into it at 27 degrees roughly from the side of the steps. The steps appear to be mounted to side steel pieces like a modular unit that gets welded in?

So what angle are the steps rise changed to when the side is not a right angle? My brain fried and it probably is not that difficult to calculate????

If I can't figure it out mathematically I'll have to build a template and fudge it together.

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Joe,

You can figure it out with trig if you want to use the math method. Or do it graphically by drawing it out.

Presuming that all step nosing lands on the same line, start with the horizontal distance from the top step nose to the bottom step nose, along the straight side of the stepwell.  This distance would represent the adjacent side in the cosine trig function.

So....COS(27) = adjacent ÷ hypotenuse....or rewritten,  hypotenuse = adjacent ÷ COS(27).

The result of this equation would then be used as the opposite side length in a tangent function, with the adjacent side equal to the height from top step to bottom step.  So....

TAN(x) = opposite ÷ adjacent, so TAN(x) = result of the previous cosine function ÷ top to bottom step height.

I hope that all makes sense. I'm not at home now so can't add any graphics to demonstrate the relationships but you could look them up if so desired.

You can also use the results of the initial cosine function to figure the relative lengths of the front and rear edge of each step tread.  Just add that amount to the length of any step's rear edge to yield the length of the corresponding front edge.

Lastly, you'll obviously need to substitute the different angles and lengths for the rear steps.

Good luck!

Jim

Yeah... ah... thanks!

Well, I have to stretch my brain way back to high school trig days. I used to be a math major. Something happened …. (life) and I seem to forget most of this stuff. I started taking calculous in high school (early) and when I got to go back to college like 11 years later, I did not prepare. So the college entrance exam left me knowing all that I don't remember!   and humbled.

 Now add a few more decades to that and I can't even follow the equation properly. Maybe I'll just draw it out......

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Well, by my math, knowing the height of the steps is 54mm, the line through the tread nosing each step on the 27° face should be 22.22°.  Your mileage may vary, but it shouldn't.

Starting on the square side of the stepwell, in elevation.....

TAN(20°) = nose of top step to nose of bottom step / 54mm
nose of top step to nose of bottom step (square side)  = 19.654mm

Now in plan, figure out the distance along the angled side from nose of top step to nose of bottom step......

COS(27°) = 19.654mm / nose of top step to nose of bottom step
nose of top step to nose of bottom step (angled side) = 22.058mm

Now back to elevation to determine the angle of the line from nose to nose on angled side of the stepwell.....

TAN(angle from nose to nose) = 22.058mm/54mm
angle on angled side of stepwell = 22.22°

It's a little different then what I described above, but it works out the same.  Sometimes one sees things more clearly than they did initially.

Have fun!
Jim

over 2 days at it and I still haven't finished. I still have to modify and mount 20 steps, cut the pilot face around the rear deck, and glue both faces onto the step assembly. Then make coupler blocks and all the other details like the grabs, and pilot detailing.

 Come on Mike Wolf! Make us these....

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Spent part of today redoing the pilots again. The stair's angle and set back weren't right. Broke off the wings a few times trying to make things right. I should have started over but what fun would that be?

 Now to custom cut down each stair to fit into a tapered modular (welded in) unit.... Urrggg!

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What good is spending so much time on an engine, if it can't earn it's keep? 

I slapped the couplers on her so she can make it outside before the train year ends. 

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I also ballasted up the fuel tank and she's almost ready for a pull test! 

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well? here's my first attempt at the GE high adhesion trucks....

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I'm not sure if this idea of several pieces will work or will be the best. These will be the core and need pieces added for thickness. I have to try something to get started. I will make the back transom also as a separate piece. I started carving the side frames with the load bearers molded on. I think it would be easier to make them separate and add them on. I wish some more detail parts were available in 1/32 scale. It always seems like I have to make every single piece on these engines!

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I'm still playing around with these truck's side frames.

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these trucks are really looking like updated GE Dash 9 trucks. So here's the Aristo 1/29 scale version to get an idea of what I'm trying to recreate.

It would be great if I could get the bearings to spin but two of the four side frames have covers over them anyways.

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It's very cool to me that this forum allows me to share this after so long!

I finally got back at it. The finer details drive me nuts. It has to be near perfect or your eyes will see that it's not right!.... and I'm never perfect.....

So I know, it's a little rough. I just want to get her done.

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Well? what else can I do? It's raining non-stop so I got some more things done. Not perfect again, but good enough for outside in the rock pile.

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Wait..... wait.....

am I done? am I ready for ………….paint?????!!!!!!

I put on all the panels I had cut and even built a sand fill area for the rear ( I believe that's what it is?). As I'm applying tape I notice that the front should have 2 small panel doors..... and now..... what about a door! ?? Ooops. That's what I get for rushing.

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I need to paint outside anyways so the rain that forced me in, will now hold me up for a few more days. I should be able to make 2 small hatch panels and a door for the nose.

 

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Engineer-Joe posted:

Well? what else can I do? It's raining non-stop so I got some more things done. Not perfect again, but good enough for outside in the rock pile.

 

I have this model in O scale if you have any questions I can take some zoomed in photos!  Love the model!

 

 

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I'm not that kind of Engineer...

Thank you Tim. I have a MTH O scale version sitting right in front of me as well as some drawings. It just happens that both had an inaccurate area on the rear engineer's side of the long hood. The screens aren't correct for this one version.

 Because I already modeled it I'll pretend the engine was rebuilt back at GE after an accident!

If anyone attempts any model, you have to have accurate pictures/ drawings. Not only that but an engine gets revisions thru it's life. So after selecting a version, then the road, and the road number, you still have to pick an exact year. I'm getting so that I just say close enough!

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I need that! …. and cordless!!

I have a vacuum that has a detachable blower. Sometimes it works fair. Sometimes it just makes a mess. Leaves like to grab the track. I swap it out to a vacuum and I lose the ballast, the surrounding small rocks, the rubber mulch, etc.

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So I'm playing around doing easy stuff to move forward. I tried cutting my steps and fitting them in only to get frustrated at trying to space them correctly. So I figured for something easy to do, I'd just apply some reflective tape to the painted cab side to get it right. I haven't finished the frame edge detailing yet so I can't stripe that. I still have to paint the pilots once the steps are attached.

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I looked at the pics of the real thing for stripe placement, and just noticed the bottom of the cab is blacked out. I didn't notice that when I was painting her.

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So I ran down stairs to look at my MTH O scale version and sure enough, they painted it black too. More work and not so easy.

I guess I'll have to mask it off and spray some more paint! One step forward and two steps back again.

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