GGD Considering Shorties For Some Famous Trains in Aluminum (GGD FOR O42)

I’d be in for the Central set Scott, everything I have is 18 inch....perfect addition!....I need the 48 Limited in my life!.....BAD!...........Pat

I’d definitely be in for SP Daylight, in either size! (But dare I ask how you’ll handle the diaphragms between articulated cars?)

We will be releasing our Rock Island Rocket Train, with Cloth diaphragms between the articulated cars. Held on by magnets embedded in the ends of the cars.

Scott,

If the diaphragms on the Rock Island train you mention will fit other passenger cars, please offer them separately.

Leon

Unfortunately, they don't work on regular cars only articulated cars. The problem is that on regular cars the ends of the cars move sideways to each other much more than a diaphragm can displace. The articulated cars pivot on a common center point so the diaphragms always maintain alignment. But these would be great for display for regular cars.

I'll consider making them widely available.

Scott, some of us have scale size articulated cars (in my case the three car diner) from what I think was your last run of Daylight cars and they would benefit from a different diaphragm arrangement. Anyway with the 18” aluminum cars I think you have identified a slot in the market.  

I will be bringing in Black diaphragms. I had made Daylight painted diaphragms a while back and sold them out. We have to study how we can decorate them for SP Daylight.

sdmann posted:

I will be bringing in Black diaphragms. I had made Daylight painted diaphragms a while back and sold them out. We have to study how we can decorate them for SP Daylight.

Scott, if you can do color matched full width Daylight diaphragms, I would be in for a set of 18"ers.

Pete

We'll figure it out by then.

Hm, mixed emotions here.
Good to hear about ability to make quick turns/production runs going forward.

Less enthused because none of these are for me since I'm fortunate to have these consists already. Although mine is the '38 Century Limited. It did take some time to acquire them.  But very glad to have them.

Frankly, GGD/Sunset is my preferred producer of scale models. I love finding out about new announcements, as rare as they may be. Certainly makes them more exciting when they do happen!
It'd be great to hear about something new coming out. But understand the need to get products out in order to keep the gears of the business machine greased...
As much as I'd like to say give something new a shot: You should still do these!
Everyone should have the opportunity to have a set (or two, or three) of GGD cars in their collection!
And these consists really do represent some of the finer products done in the past and, in some cases (SP Daylight) are the  non-cost prohibitive/realistically obtainable standard for these consists in this hobby.

I am in for the Daylight Cars.

Mikey

Scott,

That would be outstanding!! I'm in for the 20th Century and the Daylight.. and if you were to do an El Cap in 18" I'm all over it. 

The 21" cars are beautiful and no one does them better than you but they are just too big for my layout and most of the average sized layouts out there. Lionel has pretty much abandoned the 18" market and the few sets made by MTH are all plastic. I believe there is a large market for that size car especially if made from ALUMINUM!

GO FOR IT!!

Scott, thank you for considering those of us with smaller radii.  I would love a set of the 20th Century Limited, unfortunately your superb models are out of my price range.  I hope others with smaller layouts will take you up on your offer.

I'd love to see 15 inch cars like the beautiful K-Line aluminums I own.

18 inch is just too big for those of us with 054/042 layouts.

 

Lew Schneider

Mixed feelings. 3rd Rail, GGD have provided us with models as close to perfect scale as achievable at a reasonable price. Making shorty passenger cars degrades that reputation.

OTOH...anything that helps Scott's bottom line and supports his continuing SCALE efforts is a good thing.

rex desilets posted:

Mixed feelings. 3rd Rail, GGD have provided us with models as close to perfect scale as achievable at a reasonable price. Making shorty passenger cars degrades that reputation.

 

How?    It's not as if he is advertising one thing and sending something different.   Yes, the scale stuff is magnificent.     I see no issue with the shorter cars, with same level of scale detail.

I know of at least 2 other importer/manufactures in 3 Rail O Scale, one known for their scale accuracy in O Scale 2Rail, who puts out models in 2 levels of detail / accuracy. I don't see that they have diminished their reputation for scale accuracy in the former. I just need to make it clear in Logos and words, GGD for O42... and that should tell the customer what to expect.

I also imagine the customer with the smaller space layout enjoying their engines pulling crappy cars with no interiors and completely incorrect details, or those bulging windows and totally wrong window configs and the such, enjoying a near scale model for their layout, with good lighting, interiors and figures. I bet 1/3 of our potential customers have this issue preventing them from buying the full size cars. If I have a minimum at the factory for so many cars per project, this could put us over the limits we need to get you scale guys what you want too. That's my thoughts on the subject.

And thanks for all the advise. It's what I asked for. Some times you like it, sometimes you don't but it's you the customer that matters.

 

 

Remakes in 18" of some of the earlier passenger trains offered by GGD seems like a brilliant idea.  I would think those would sell well for the reasons identified in this thread.  And if they could be reissued in 21" too at the same time, that would be great for those who may have missed out on the first run.  The resale prices on the GGD aluminum cars is high, when you can find them, so there appears to be a demand for the previously issued 21" trains.

I buy 3rd Rail because they are scale length, so would not be interested in the 18 inchers personally, but that does not mean that there is not a demand for them.  Personally, I am (patiently?) waiting for the Amfleet cars.

Need to make a blunt end obs for Pennsy and ACL for the southeastern guys. Could you make some of the Seaboard Silver Meteor cars (especially the Beach series flat domes) in 18" as well?

Too....mixed emotions... don't want to have to question the scale accuracy of a brand, where some makers only offer "fantasy" rolling stock: out of scale, bad models, Santa Fe lettered N5C's, etc.  Not pleased to read some Atlas reefers might be "fantasy" cars, when l've read that the pot for prototype billboard reefers has barely been skimmed.  But...if the market is there...you are not a charity and should meet the demand.  No interest to me....unless market opens up for other roadnames..

All the other manufacturers are making 72' passenger cars so unless their buyers want these prototypical cars I think there would be a limited market for these cars UNLESS they were some unique offerings.

I'm into PRR so I've always hoped that GGD would make the P54 series cars in plastic.  I have the brass versions that 3rdRail did many years ago.

Jan

yes to the nyc 18" cars.

OK, this response is only meant with the best intentions, as some of you I respect very much.

However… some of the responses seem to think “fantasy” or non-scale is relegated only to the 3 rail, O gauge market. Me seems to think you have NOT walked the halls of the O scale March Meet in Chicago.

Walking the isles at the March meet and will see “fantasy” non-scale or hideously detailed “models”. Yes, they do operate on two rails, but please, this is NOT a true scale show or gauge by any means.

Some of you have mentioned (in other threads) that the HO guys seem to be free from the fantasy issue; again, I would say you are sorely mistaken. Yes, there are a few manufactures that are only scale, but the vast majority rebadge (as close as possible) existing models to feed a larger market and get more out of the tooling/project.

Escaperocks alluded to this earlier, Scott is not trying to market a bait-and-switch situation, but rather an alternative to other options where he thinks the market is lacking.

In my opinion, there are many engines that are sitting without a passenger train to pull and why should Scott not try to capture part of that market?

My one concern for success for this program, is that I suspect enough people will balk at the price… not because of the dollar amount, but because it will be too close to the price of the scale counterpart. Since the cars could be construed as non-scale or “lesser” then scale, some people will feel the price should also be less.

Maybe the answer is to raise the price of the scale cars to create a tiered pricing structure.

If a 1938 20^th Century with blue stripes is ever in the works I would be a customer. I have a nice Dreyfuss Hudson sitting in a box with nothing to pull.

Charlie

One thing to consider is hobbyists who would be interested in shorter cars for tighter curves have those tighter curves because of space restrictions. As such they might not be able to fit an 8-10 car train on their layout. If you go through with making shorter cars you may want to consider a base set with 4-5 cars, with the rest as separate sale.  

How about making some silver cars with no names on them? They could run with a majority of locomotives.

I've read that there were a number of railroads that had at least some streamlined passenger cars less than 85', among them Southern Pacific, Santa Fe, and B&O. I think many (and probably most by a significant margin) operators out there have layouts too small for 21" cars; the 18" versions would be welcome. Just because people don't have a huge layout doesn't mean they wouldn't like to run highly detailed trains. Lionel will probably eventually make more 18" cars, but they will be in plastic, so it seems there would be a good market for aluminum versions.

"Scale length" arguments are lost on those who simply don't have the room. You have to get real; you can only run what you can run.

I would purchase a reissue of the 1951 Super Chief. Scale size. 🤞

RoyBoy posted:

How about making some silver cars with no names on them? They could run with a majority of locomotives.

That would be great for those who have stockpiled decals and can create their own fleet or favorite roads. IF I have the decals, I would love this since I can make ACL, SAL, Southern or SCL lettered cars depending on the era I choose. I wonder if Scott could ever have custom decals made for say 5-10 of the major railroads to sell with these cars? 

Years ago I decided to go with scale length cars so this suggestion doesn't appeal to me but I'm sure the shorter cars would meet a need for modelers with smaller layouts. However, a lot would depend on the aesthetics of how the shortening was done. Do you make the windows more narrow and keep the correct window layout or do you reduce the number of windows? It would be interesting to see a drawing of a full scale car and its shortened cousin side by side.

Would shortened cars appeal to the 2 rail scale folks at all?

Ken

I believe space more than price is the reason for many taking a pass on 21" cars.

I would love to have scale detailed aluminum passenger cars compressed to a size I could run. You could make a case that there are more small to midsize layouts than those large enough to make those 21" behemoths look good. If the value is there which I'm sure it would be as with anything Scott makes the market will be there also.  IMHO

 

I would buy the 18" cars but not for those particular trains you mentioned.  I would buy NYC Southwestern Limited, PRR Spirit of St. Louis, or any MOPAC Eagle.

Scott, I am down for a scale set of articulated SP passenger cars!

Kevin 

Go for it ,Scott.  I'm sure that there are many modelers that have smaller track radii that would love to have your quality products.

Good luck.

Norm

Har!  I was in HO, and it was....dunno if still is ..cluttered with all kinds of fantasy cars, and locos...same caboose problem with plastic molds of NE cabooses lettered for coast to coast roads and probably CP, CN, and NdeM.  Uh..l didn't like them then, either.  I keep that in mind when l get sneered at for being in three rail by an HO "scale modeler". Other roadnames may come if these are successful, and l and others will shop...

Since we are talking different length cars what about 27" cars for those with really large radii curves? 

Seriously a great business decision.  Aluminum extruded cars lend themselves to being made in multiple lengths once the extrusion is completed.  I love my scale length cars, but I know everyone is different.  It might even work to offer 15" cars?   GGD-036?

What about taking the most popular of the streamline cars (by actual use) and make them in 18" size? This would allow 10-6 sleepers, 36 or 48 seat diners or other sleeper variations. Standard seat coaches would be nice too.

Could offer each car in 5-10 roadnames spanning east to west. I would really like super detailed dining cars for a train since they would have the most interior detail visible through the windows (image each table with full place settings).

If anything, modelers can purchase a few cars to match with their current roster to make a more prototypical train. 

I would like to add my thanks for considering those of us who have smaller layouts with sharper radii curves.  I would venture to say that the majority of us 3 railers can't run the scale length passenger equipment and that the 18" cars are a great compromise between the full scale and the shorty 15" versions.  I am looking forward to seeing GGD's 18" passenger car offerings!

RD posted:

"The 21" cars are beautiful and no one does them better than you but they are just too big for my layout and most of the average sized layouts out there. Lionel has pretty much abandoned the 18" market "

Think you nailed it. 

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

You need to come up with a Brand new name for this line.  I would not preface it with GGD, you really want to eliminate any confusion with scale and non scale.

yes please offer them, and thanks for asking for our opinions. nice to know a mfg cares enough to ask his customers what they would like. sign of a first rate company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Eccentric Crank posted:

You need to come up with a Brand new name for this line.  I would not preface it with GGD, you really want to eliminate any confusion with scale and non scale.

Probably a good idea. However people may not recognize a new name, even if it's from the same manufacturer. So there would be an associated cost to advertise. 

Count me in for 18" passenger cars

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

sdmann posted:

Folks,

We are considering re-releasing some of our famous trains of the past in Aluminum. And due to our ability to make smaller runs in these trains, how popular do you think 18" Shorties in Aluminum would be with all the trimmings? (Flush Windows, Full Interiors with LED Lighting, 10 Figures / car, 042 Compatible, ball bearing journals on every car?

Yes, we would still make the same trains in full Scale Length, at the same time. Just 2 styles, Shorties and Scale.

Considering The Following:

1948 20TH CENTURY LTD. (8 Car Set) + Extras

1948 BROADWAY LTD.  (8 Car Set) + Extras

SP DAYLIGHT WITH ARTICULATED CARS. (10 Car Set), 5 Articulated, 5 Regular.

What yee say to that?

One thing, the cost and the prices would be the same as the full length scale cars we have been offering about $285 / car. Just making them to run on smaller layouts for thee.

Hi Scott! Wonderful idea! I am very much wanting the 1948 Broadway Limited and the 1948 20th Century, possibly the Daylight set too! Please, make them - I beg you!

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

YES!!!!! Perfect name  Norm!

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

We have a winner here!  That is truly brilliant.

GG1 4877 posted:

Norm posted:

Golden Gate Short Line!

Norm

We have a winner here!  That is truly brilliant.

Yes indeed. 

I cant'run them on 072?  

sdmann posted:

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DO IT!

I reallllyyyyy want to pull the trigger on a 12 car 1948 Broadway Limited. But I’m hoping it’s at least a year and a half out! 

greg773 posted:

I reallllyyyyy want to pull the trigger on a 12 car 1948 Broadway Limited. But I’m hoping it’s at least a year and a half out! 

I'm DEFINITELY IN for a 1948 Broadway Limited with Add on cars... I'll find something to sell, even donate blood to make it happen!  

I'd fight somebody way bigger than me for a chance at a rerun of the full size cars as well. 

Maybe we can pool our resources to earn the cash. Maybe an OGR bake sale or bikini car wash? 

BobbyD posted:

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

greg773 posted:

Maybe we can pool our resources to earn the cash. Maybe an OGR bake sale or bikini car wash? 

Yeah! We can get our wives and girlfriends to do the carwashing, and dancing to get that money! We'll be the best Hubby's in the Universe too... we'll make a great BBQ for the Brass Fundraising , hehehehe 

Richie C. posted:

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

Same trucks, same ends, lighting circuit, box, etc. Not sure how much cheaper they'd be to produce. Extrusion tool is the same, just a little less aluminum, paint, people, interior. Need a new length floor!

Frankly, we pay the builder by the car, not whether they are shorter or longer. And we pay the design team per car design, so that's where the extra costs creep in for the 042 design.  But... maybe your right. The non scale cars should be a little less retail than the full scale cars, just to keep the peace.  Where the 042 run helps is in the total quantity. We need at least a 300 car order for all the costs to work.  I'll be putting an ad in the next issue of OGR and on the web site in the coming days. There is very little in tooling costs on Aluminum cars. The main expense is labor. Each car has to be handled by hand, sanded, painted several times to get all the tool marks off. The interiors are all hand assembled, glued, painted. Assembly, all by hand. Decals hand applied. Here's what it looks like at the design studio and production facility.

sdmann posted:

Frankly, we pay the builder by the car, not whether they are shorter or longer. And we pay the design team per car design, so that's where the extra costs creep in for the 042 design.  But... maybe your right. The non scale cars should be a little less retail than the full scale cars, just to keep the peace.  Where the 042 run helps is in the total quantity. We need at least a 300 car order for all the costs to work.  I'll be putting an ad in the next issue of OGR and on the web site in the coming days. There is very little in tooling costs on Aluminum cars. The main expense is labor. Each car has to be handled by hand, sanded, painted several times to get all the tool marks off. The interiors are all hand assembled, glued, painted. Assembly, all by hand. Decals hand applied. Here's what it looks like at the design studio and production facility.

Hi Scott! This is really cool! Looking forward to seeing the ad for the cars, and I will def be reserving a Full size set of the Broadway Limited and 20th Century.

Any idea when we might see these in the future? 2020, or early 2021? David 

This is an excellent idea'.. Example: I just completed a aluminum car kit that was to fit a 42" radius. and it does not.  All materials cost well over $285.00. Not to mention I spent many, many hours building this and it will not take my curves regardless of modifications....  So, I would be interested.  However, as we all know, folks always want more.  So we have Scott's fabulous shorties, but what about motive power.  I would love his engines, but again my curves will not negotiate the 54" and larger radius....

Scott, I guess you forgot us poor Milwaukee Road folks. I have all 072 or more but still think the scale size cars don't look right for my layout. Don

I got the sets up for reserve. But the extra cars I can't get to until tomorrow. The internet cuts out once everyone wakes up around here. I reduced the price / car $15 for the shorter cars and limited the O42 sets to 6 car each, and full scale sets to 8 cars each. And with the choices of extra cars, most everyone will be able to put together a train that fits their needs.

Wow, what an amazing layout... Sure the Hiawatha Cars are going to look awesome there...

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

Enjoy,

Scott Mann

Richie C. posted:

BobbyD posted:

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

Would you pay the 21" prices for a 16" car though? That would be his issue. Scott has already said the price will be the same, whether 18" or 21" in length.

Personally, I would; but I can certainly understand how someone else might balk at having to pay the same price for a 16" incher as a 21" incher. And, notwithstanding that Scott indicated the pricing would be the same, I can also understand how someone might question whether the manufacturing costs are really the same and whether by keeping the price the same, the manufacturer is simply reaping more profit. In this case, I would say probably not because I assume the cost of new tooling, advertising, etc. would offset any decrease in material and labor costs in manufacturing smaller cars.

Advocating cost per inch of car length? How is the cost of three fewer inches of extrusion, a few fewer windows, and a few less seats supposed to result in a noticeably lower cost?

scott is that 300 cars or sets?

300 Cars are the minimum order for the factory to produce 1 road name.

scale rail posted:

Scott, I guess you forgot us poor Milwaukee Road folks. I have all 072 or more but still think the scale size cars don't look right for my layout. Don

Okay, we need to see more photos of this exquisite layout and the GGD equipment on it'... Pleaseeeeeeeeee.......

Will the SP daylight cars have ribbed or smooth sides and if ribbed will some be lettered Southern Pacific Lines?

Pete

ROFL!

"We are pleased to announce a new Line of Aluminum Cars for those with smaller layouts in O Scale 3 Rail. We are calling it, GGD for O42. Made with the same attention to detal, "

 

sdmann posted:

I got the sets up for reserve. But the extra cars I can't get to until tomorrow. The internet cuts out once everyone wakes up around here. I reduced the price / car $15 for the shorter cars and limited the O42 sets to 6 car each, and full scale sets to 8 cars each. And with the choices of extra cars, most everyone will be able to put together a train that fits their needs.

Wow, what an amazing layout... Sure the Hiawatha Cars are going to look awesome there...

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

Enjoy,

Scott Mann

YAY! Thank you Scott! Beam me aboard!

sdmann posted:

20th Century for me.  Great with VL gray Niagara👍

I have been looking forward to the re-issue of the articulated SP cars for awhile.  Here is a great website with a TON of info about these cars.  Scott, I am eagerly waiting your upload of the extra cars.  I am hoping you will offer a set of articulated chair cars for the head end.  

kevin

T4TT posted:

I have been looking forward to the re-issue of the articulated SP cars for awhile.  Here is a great website with a TON of info about these cars.  Scott, I am eagerly waiting your upload of the extra cars.  I am hoping you will offer a set of articulated chair cars for the head end.  

kevin

Wow what a great site'.. The attention to detail applied to those cars compared to today's traveling, especially on aircraft which is deplorable..

Talk about luxury and first class service and treatment of passengers was outstanding.  As is this web site'...Thanks for posting'....

Wonderful! Put in my reservations for BOTH the Full size Broadway Limited and the Full size 20th Century Limited!

I've added all the extra cars to our web site and database. Reserve away....

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#GGDO42

 

Norton posted:

Will the SP daylight cars have ribbed or smooth sides and if ribbed will some be lettered Southern Pacific Lines?

Pete

You need an answer from the man himself but if based on the same tooling/design as the earlier issue of the scale cars I have several of, they’ll be ribbed and lettered Southern Pacific.

Hancock52 posted:

Norton posted:

Will the SP daylight cars have ribbed or smooth sides and if ribbed will some be lettered Southern Pacific Lines?

Pete

You need an answer from the man himself but if based on the same tooling/design as the earlier issue of the scale cars I have several of, they’ll be ribbed and lettered Southern Pacific.

I assumed from the pics, they would be ribbed but SP w/o Lines is a nonstarter. 

My GS4 is as built with SP Lines in small print on tender. This has a long way to go so I can wait to see what develops.

Pete

I don't see why we can't do a few of these SP Lines. We'll keep that option open.

dkdkrd posted:

So, Scott...  How come you wouldn't add the 'shorties' to the already announced...but not fully reserved/committed...full-sized ATSF Super Chief and B&O Capitol Limited?? 

It really stifles some of us...me... with strong interest in one or both of those announced trains and marginal layout dimensions to easily accommodate the 21" cars to think that we'd have to wait for their turn at a second round....if ever....to have a more appropriate length for our layouts.

If the Super and Capitol announcements are to measure the threshold interest, and the data packages for the design of both are within reach, why not offer the shortened versions too?  Start clean, start even?  

The sets that would be understandably 'too late' for shorter versions are the ones under design/tooling/construction contracts...the horses being out of the starting gate, so to speak.

Just curious....not critical.  Sometimes our mortality-perspective kicks in and we wonder if the preferences will ever occur in our own lifetime.  

BTW...I've reserved both in their present full scale configuration.  But, I'd gladly wring my hands over another level of choice!

And, Scott.....You ARE the man!  You and your team....no competition!

KD

I agree about the Super Chief.  I want the set in 18 but not MTH.  I prefer shorter over longer super Chief.  Not necessarily a money thing. 

sdmann posted:

I don't see why we can't do a few of these SP Lines. We'll keep that option open.

Whatever version anyone want, Scotts Daylights are really beautiful.  Here is a couple of pix with some cars from years ago in what now will be run #1 

TrainBub

Lets see how the 3 trains we are offering do in O42 first, then we can expand the selection.

I placed my reservation for scale SP cars. I would prefer "Southern Pacific Lines" please!

Thanks Scott!

My reservations are in..... 

Thanks Scott

Boy this is a hot / well liked topic. Deservedly so. I believe the “shorties” are going to be a nice success for Scott. It should help him exceed his minimum numbers to go forward - and IMHO then some. 

Back in the day of Broadway and Daylight first runs, the offerings were parsed out in smaller groupings. Broadway came as 3 four car subsets (don’t remember any extras as 1 subset was sleepers, 2nd was coaches - if I remember correctly) and Daylight 2 five car sets (1 unarticulated, 1 articulated) plus extras. These smaller groupings allowed me entry into really nice quality cars. I chose what would be core groupings - of course those with observation car. I was able to add an articulated 2 car for the Daylight. Regrettably the next big groupings disappeared before I could catch them. 

The new scale offerings now are fixed at eight.  The Daylight and 20th extras are great but Broadway not. Prototypical or not, more sleeper options would be nice for Broadway !!!

Scott.  Please color match with 1st run colors.  There are some of us that will want to add to what we have from first runs !!!!  Especially the Daylights.  They are what I see as having a bit muted look - not a stark bright.

Scott. Be kind with packaging for those going the route of 6 car sets.  Those boxes for the 5 car sets are extremely unwieldy.  I’m sure something better can be worked out  

 

scott can you give us some idea on the delivery schedule time wise when these will be delivered? for those of us that have to plan our budget to pay for these beauties.

Schedule couldn't be earlier than mid next year. And the delivery gets pushed out further if there aren't enough reservations. We do offer layaway payments for direct customers, so if it comes in at the wrong time for someone finances, they can take a few more months to pay them off.

How about another run of the full length cars such as the Powhatan arrow, congressional and daylight----they are almost impossible to find and ridiculously expensive if you do

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

18" is not much different than 15-16" postwar style cars. 

I can't see GGD diving into the flooded 15-16" passenger car market. There's a Darth of 18" streamliners at the moment. Heavyweight sets are pretty entrenched with Lionel and MTH along with some leftover K-Line.

It would be nice if GGD redid the PRR P54 sets along with the MP54' as well. They are prototypically short and with serve both the scale market along with the Traditional Market that loves scale equipment!

 

I would buy an LIRR brass MP54 in ‘60’s paint scheme in a heartbeat— the Tuscan ones Scott did a long time ago were super nice but wrong paint for my taste

My "want" would be CB&Q California Zephr 18 inch cars....

redjimmy1955 posted:

My "want" would be CB&Q California Zephr 18 inch cars....

I second that request. I'd purchase the Cal Zephyr in a heartbeat if, and when, it's offered. 

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Richie C. posted:

I think it's a great idea and would only enhance your reputation as one of the premier builders of finely detailed model railroad stock but, if you're going to take the plunge, I would consider opening the market up to an even larger pool of potential buyers in the O36/O42  layout range and make them in either 15" or 16" size.

Unfortunately, 18" is still too large for those of us who would love to be able to run scale equipment but simply don't have the available space for a large layout and who would still like to own show-quality pieces.

18" is not much different than 15-16" postwar style cars. 

I can't see GGD diving into the flooded 15-16" passenger car market. There's a Darth of 18" streamliners at the moment. Heavyweight sets are pretty entrenched with Lionel and MTH along with some leftover K-Line.

It would be nice if GGD redid the PRR P54 sets along with the MP54' as well. They are prototypically short and with serve both the scale market along with the Traditional Market that loves scale equipment!

 

The 18" cars I have from MTH and Lionel do 036 just fine. These might be able to. 

VintageClassics posted:

redjimmy1955 posted:

My "want" would be CB&Q California Zephr 18 inch cars....

I second that request. I'd purchase the Cal Zephyr in a heartbeat if, and when, it's offered. 

I third this. Scott, please do it! 

What about the Cal Zepher

I placed a reservation for 7 of the 18” Southern Pacific cars.  I would prefer "Southern Pacific Lines".  Thank you.

Billsrr posted:

What about the Cal Zepher

Seams like there is alot of Support for a California Zephyr Bill, and Gang ... I've reserved both the 20th Century and the Broadway Limited and will GLADLY ADD a Cal Zephyr, as I'm sure you all would as well, should one be offered

 

David

Any update on the reservations for the 0-42 cars?

Scott, I also had an idea that popped into my head and thought I should share it with you: What if you made your very popular Budd Slumber coaches in 0-42? I would definitely order several since the competitors only produce "cookie cutter" cars. Perhaps a poll/OGR post to test the waters? Just my two cents.

Bryce

I'm with Larry Neal...Southeast.

I must confess that the Seaboard Silver Meteor looked as good running behind the elegant E units as they did when the Pennsylvania forwarded the train to/from New York City with the legendary GG1.  Oh yes, don't forget to add RF&P to the list as well!

Depending on the train, do not forget the run through cars.  The CZ did have PRR run throughs at Chicago, and the TX EAGLE from PRR at St. Louis.

I actually forgot about the shorter cars. Thanks for reposting this. I suspect there are more than a few people who either forgot or did not know about this possible option.

Charlie

@Charlie posted:

I actually forgot about the shorter cars. Thanks for reposting this. I suspect there are more than a few people who either forgot or did not know about this possible option.

Charlie

Charlie,

I was wondering about these for awhile but I didn't realize it has been so long since the GGD 0-42 announcement.

Hopefully this "bump" can get more people interested in the offered sets and possibly get Scott to make 0-42 Budd Slumber coaches.

Bryce

Folks,

The 3 rerun Aluminum trains are a go. Including the 042 style shorter cars.

In order of reservations:

1948 20th Century

SP Daylight + 3/4 Dome to be announced. Ooops I just announced it.

1948 Broadway Ltd.

Should be done with all 3 + Hiawatha Short 2nd Run by the end of 2021.

The C&O L1 Hudson and Chessie Cars should also be in this time period.

Scott

@sdmann posted:

Folks,

The 3 rerun Aluminum trains are a go. Including the 042 style shorter cars.

In order of reservations:

1948 20th Century

SP Daylight + 3/4 Dome to be announced. Ooops I just announced it.

1948 Broadway Ltd.

Should be done with all 3 + Hiawatha Short 2nd Run by the end of 2021.

The C&O L1 Hudson and Chessie Cars should also be in this time period.

Scott

Scott
How about a Broadway Sleeper “Extra” 4 pack - one each of those listed ?  I ask as I have a Broadway run 1 “A” set of “core” consist/cars - no sleepers.  I’d love to add to my gorgeous run 1 consist. A lone 4-4-2 just doesn’t cut it !!!!!
ANYONE else out there for this ??????  Email Scott !!!!!

oh !!!! And THANKS for adding the SP 3/4 Dome !!!! Several versions possible too !!!!!!

more - hope these three ARE SPREAD OUT - not all at once.  Help us here !!!!

Cheers 🤗
TrainBub

Whatever makes you money and margin works for me.  As for the angst of the scale modelers,  with the number of major train companies about to be cut by a third, anything that supplements the top of the line is a good thing.  I don't think that it will ever be your intention to be a new K-Line or Railking.

Yes to the 18 inch NYC set and extras! Woohooo!!!!

How about a 1938 Broadway Limited next?  Including a rerun of the 21" cars from several years ago?

@dk122trains posted:

Yes to the 18 inch NYC set and extras! Woohooo!!!!

Ditto that!.

Pat

Redo the full length congressional and Powhatan Arrow those sets you just can’t find

Hmm, I just got new E7's and I don't have a 48 20th Century Limited consist. 18inchers are what I run on my layout. I have the minimum radius for the scale stuff but my layout is just too small, a full train of those turns my named passenger's into tail-chasers.

This will be a great product line!

SP fans would be as happy as a lark with THE LARK.

@Dominic Mazoch posted:

SP fans would be as happy as a lark with THE LARK.

Me too. I’m missed it - prob had $ committed to a different offering. These second chance offerings are great but 8 car sets get expensive and storage becomes a problem for those of us without basements.
I’d also be interested in the “Golden State”. I bet it could attract some Rock Island “Fans” too.

@Dominic Mazoch posted:

SP fans would be as happy as a lark with THE LARK.

Yes!  And the postwar version this time, with "SOUTHERN PACIFIC" lettering!

Scott, will the new SP cars match the paint on the prior original version?

Scott, any chance of a New Haven train such as the Merchants Limited. The New Haven may not have the swagger of say the Super Chief or 20th Century Limited. But there is no shortage of New Haven O gauge Passenger power in both Electric and Steam that have been produced over the years. Weaver and Atlas have had a few runs of the Bradley cars. The K-Line cars demand high prices. I’m sure a unique correct New Haven consist would be a seller. I purchased 2 of your PA’s. I need something for them to pull.

How about a city of SF or LA —

@rdj92807 posted:

Scott, will the new SP cars match the paint on the prior original version?

I wondered about that too and although I haven’t asked Scott, in my experience he’s been very careful about SP colors in a way that the major 3rail suppliers simply haven’t been. I’d expect the new cars to be a good match as well as prototypical. It matters to me as I have some cars from the original run that I want to match.

BTW, I notice that every time Scott makes an announcement of a new offering, there’s literally a flood of other different product requests/suggestions. Nothing wrong with that as it reflects a healthy level of enthusiasm BUT what about him adding an SP 3/4 length dome car to this run, as announced above? That’s a truly distinctive SP-built prototype that’s never been made, as far as I know, by either Lionel or MTH - or by anybody else bar once ages ago. I’m definitely on board for that car.

There’s a good write up on these cars, inside and out, here: https://streamlinermemories.info/?p=1392

@Hancock52 posted:

I wondered about that too and although I haven’t asked Scott, in my experience he’s been very careful about SP colors in a way that the major 3rail suppliers simply haven’t been. I’d expect the new cars to be a good match as well as prototypical. It matters to me as I have some cars from the original run that I want to match.

BTW, I notice that every time Scott makes an announcement of a new offering, there’s literally a flood of other different product requests/suggestions. Nothing wrong with that as it reflects a healthy level of enthusiasm BUT what about him adding an SP 3/4 length dome car to this run, as announced above? That’s a truly distinctive SP-built prototype that’s never been made, as far as I know, by either Lionel or MTH - or by anybody else bar once ages ago. I’m definitely on board for that car.

There’s a good write up on these cars, inside and out, here: https://streamlinermemories.info/?p=1392

I

This SP dome will be a Very Nice option. I think Scott will probably offer at least the three SP versions - Daylight, UP yellow, and Silver with a red stripe, and perhaps a fourth - an Amtrak version (I haven’t looked for picture). There are two other recent rebirths- KCS/Panama RR and CP that are possible if Scott gets requests.
If they are done in brass like The Milwaukee Road ones - they will be expensive.  
Color matches - especially after years gone by are Always tough. I’m sure it’ll be really close. I sweat this too as I have Daylight run 1 regular 5 car set and a 2 car articulated that I want to add to with the new 3 car articulated diner.

Have been following this discussion with keen interest. Having both 18" or 21" aluminum passenger cars available to the consumer is a great idea and Scott is to be commended for coming up with the idea and bringing it to the marketplace. Smart move! I know a lot of O scale train operators are very pleased with his announcement. While not currently interested in GGD passenger cars in particular I am specifically interested in purchasing a 3rd Rail 2rail  ATSF big dome passenger car.  Very few of these unique passenger cars were made but due to my finances I was unable to purchase one at the time - big mistake on my part.  Since then I haven't been able to locate one anywhere on the secondary market.  Even considered converting a 3rail version if I found one but eventually gave up on the idea. So please Scott consider making them available again sometime in the not-to-distant future. Please!