rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Rex,  Good news. What that really means is early 2017 - the start of a new budget. I was surprised by how many inquiries Jonathan Peiffer and I had about both the Meteor train and extra cars at TCA  York last week.  Some PRR modelers were unaware that the extra coaches and 10 and 6 sleepers  are available correctly lettered Pennsylvania. One person even commented about RF&P coaches but that probably won't be done unless Scott gets some inquiries.

Bob D - I am happy that this has come to fruition. Thank you for your efforts on the project.

Thanks Bob, it's been fun being part of this.

Will we be seeing progress photos/reports as these are being done?

Are GGD cars all track power lighting or is battery power available too?  Lighting will be LEDs right?  I really like the idea of a reed switch and magnetic wand to operate battery-powered LEDs.

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Boilermaker1 posted:

Lettering aside, is there an actual difference between the PRR and SAL coach and 10-6 extra cars? And will the sun lounge be made available separately? That was tossed around at some point.

 

No difference except lettering on the SAL, PRR, and RF&P cars.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

rheil posted:

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

Yeah, how unfortunate.

Put them on so they can be easily removed (without marring the paint), that way folks can make their own boards!!!

That RF&P board would be HUGE.

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rheil posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

It's always that way, isn't it?

Bob D and Rex,

Just returned from a walk which usually gives me incentive to resolve issues. After considerable thought, I believe the best solution will be for Scott to offer RF&P cars. Although providing letter boards and car name/number boards for all three roads with the cars seems to be the most logical solution my experience tells me it won't work from a business standpoint for Scott.

I will suggest that Scott offer RF&P cars for those that want them.

Excellent, I'll add one of the RF&P cars to my set!

This is going to make me look at all the consists listed in the books I have to see which/if other RRs were mixed into the Meteor.

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kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

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AGHRMatt posted:
rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

3rd Rail is offering the B&O E-27 Consolidation. Likely in this year. I'd really like to have one, but the slush fund just isn't big enough. *sigh*

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Only Bob and Scott know for sure, but the data (photos and drawings) I sent them had the skirts on.  I know Seaboard removed the skirts during their years of service.

Don't I recall Scott saying one of the sets they were thinking about doing had removable skirts???  Maybe he was just throwing it out there and it never happened.

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Rex, I saw these cars heading to NYC being pulled by a GG1 on the corridor many times. Go for it, as someone said, just buy the wife a nice shiny Bubble.

Or borrow the money from Matt.

John

I know where I have been, I know where I am at, I am hopeful I know where I am going.(The devil and God are talking it over).

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Very good question to which I currently  have no answer. I would think whatever seems to be the prevalent opinion of those who reserve would be the choice. Due to a builder mistake the recent N&W Powhatan Arrow project had to have separate skirts produced for customer add on.  Is that a possibility for these cars? I suppose so. I would pick skirted cars as the standard offering if it were my decision. But the real question is what do you guys reserving the train want?

One thing is for sure - you won't easily remove the skirts from an extrusion made with skirts.

Keep in mind that in order to keep costs down these cars will use the generic GGD streamlined car underbody as used on other projects. If the cars are unskirted I can anticipate complaints stating that the battery boxes are in the wrong location, etc. Skirting tends to hide that issue.

Gilda Radner (Roseann Rosannadana from SNL) was correct "if it's not one thing it's another but it's always something." It's never easy.

rheil posted:
kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

i am slowly making my colonial (NH) to run on my layout. 

according to an official prr document,  consists of all trains out of NYC.  the colonial on the day in the document, on the other side of the baggage, there were 3 seaboard  coaches and one rf&p 10/6 Pullman.  they were from silver star & one other sbd train .  i presume they were deadheading from NYC to Washington, but this is pure speculation. 

this makes case for rf&p 10/6 Pullman as realistic.  however whether it was ever used on silver meteor, i do not know, but it did exist.

mikeg

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

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I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons, please.

The add-on skirts we made for the 300 N&W Cars cost $10,000. It's a very expensive add-on. They required a lot of engineering, etching brass, press works as they call it to put the right curvature in the skirt, castings, soldering, painting. We were lucky to have the right people to make them. The management at the factory that made the Powhatan cars would not take responsibility for the error. So I pulled the plug on any future projects with them. Mistakes happen on both sides, but no factory should push the 100% of the blame on their customer. It was pattern of abuse that I saw since the new management arrived. So I am not their customer anymore. Whew!!! that was a long and awful experience. Onward....

Scott Mann

sdmann posted:

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons,

So, there you have it.  Sounds like SBD and RF&P cars will have skirts. PRR will not. That makes it easier.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

The RF&P had three P-S 10-6's that apparently were built to blend in with the Budd cars. They had fully fluted sides and roof and look really close to the Budd cars. However, a close examination of the pictures show the fluting styles between the Budd and P-S cars are slightly different so it would probably need a different extrusion. I didn't check to see if the Budd and P-S window arrangements were the same. RF&P also had several P-S smooth sided 10-6's painted to match the PRR and N&W.

I agree with all the cars having skirts mainly because the GGD underframe leaves a lot to be desired. Hide it as much as possible. Better detailed underframes would be great in the future, but to do it right you would need three different ones - Budd, P-S, and ACF.

Ken

Ken, that's correct.

The Budd 10-6 (MIAMI below) had small fluting on the roof, above the windows, and on the skirting:

4 Budd 10-6 Sleeper Miami

The Pullman 10-6 (PORTSMOUTH below) had small fluting on the roof, large fluting above and below the windows, and small fluting on the skirting:

Pullman 10-6 Sleeper Portsmouth photo

The window patterns are also different, the Budd windows appear to be taller also.

Talk about SAL 10-6 sleepers drove me nuts until I finally caught on the the differences.

SAL also had ACF cars, with a different fluting pattern and smooth roofs.

When I made my (Pullman) Sun-Lounge car using an OK Engines Budd extrusion, I ended up removing every other flute above the windows and all from the roof:

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Something I do not ever want to do again, and fortunately won't have to now with GGD making it.

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Ken,

Yes, but it's not the same as what the extrusion would be for any other Pullman, being the roof is smooth (lateral "ribs/lapping" only):

small door and roof

If you can enlarge the Pullman 10-6 you'll see small fluting the length of the roof.  I was stumped for years on what the differences were between the Budd and PS cars until I enlarged the photo.

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Hi everyone, I'm in for a silver meteor set, glad to see the add on PRR pool cars and the RF&P coach. However the train also had 5-2-2 sleepers and 11 double bedroom sleepers. Also because of the train splitting and half going to Miami and half going to St. Petersburg the train had 2 diners. It would be nice to get one more sleeper type, and a separate sale diner to replicate this train as seen during that time period. Not the end of the world if this can't happen but just curious to read any opinions on this. 

 

Thanks,

David

BobH.,

Consists lists (after 1956, from Larry Goolsby's book Seaboard Air Line Passenger Service, The Streamlined Era, page 136) show 2 diners (SAL #6102 and 6104) on the northbound Meteor (PRR 114), Feb 12, 1962.  This train had 1 engine (GG1) and 17 lightweight cars (8 sleepers).

Southbound SAL 57, Dec 3, 1964 (page 137), show 2 diners (FEC Fort Matanzas and SAL 6103), 3 engines (2 E8s and 1 E7), and 19 lightweight cars (9 sleepers).

Northbound SAL 58, May 29, 1967 (page 137), shows 2 diners (SAL 6103 and 6108), 3 engines and 13 lightweight cars (5 sleepers).

Couldn't find any reason why 2 diners, other than these trains and a good amount of sleepers mixed in.

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Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

RF&P did order 10-6 sleepers for the PRR/RF&P/SAL service. The RF&P owned the Essex, Chesterfield and Lancaster, all built by Pullman in 1949. 

Generally, lightweight cars with silver letter boards were for SAL service, and purple letter boards for ACL/FEC service.

Might be too late to add these, especially since they are Pullman and not Budd. 

 

 

Larry Neal TCA, LCCA Fan of the ACL, SAL, SOU, Clinchfield

Larry, it's been said Scott (or probably his contractor) doesn't want to do single cars, but I sure would love a Seaboard Pullman 10-6 sleeper with PORTSMOUTH on the side.  I wonder if the interiors were the same, I doubt it.

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Bob,

The Pullman RF&P and SAL sleepers were built at the same time in 1949, so more than likely they would all be plan 4140-A. The SAL also had Budd build 6 10-6 sleepers in 1949, but don't know their floor plan arrangement. 

Larry Neal TCA, LCCA Fan of the ACL, SAL, SOU, Clinchfield

Larry,

The 1949 Budd 10-6 Sleeper is the one coming in the set:

budd sleeper diagram

Here's the floor plan for the Pullman 10-6:

Pullman 10-6 sleeper

Is it possible to find out how many RRs bought the 4140-A cars?  If so, maybe there will a future train offered that includes the Pullman sleeper and SAL and RF&P can be done like the PRR and RF&P coach is being done in this current SAL 6-car set

Everything I have indicates that SAL/SCL/Amtrak, and RF&P were the only RRs that had the 4140A plan cars.

The SAL cars passed on to SCL, then Amtrak, could have been altered so much that the interiors were totally different.

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Bob,

There was a web page called ThePullman Project, I think, that listed every Pullman heavyweight and lightweight sleeper built. Plan 4140-A was popular, especially in the South. Let me look back through the data and I will see how many railroads would be represented. I think there would be plenty to choose from, question would be minimum order per car. 

Larry Neal TCA, LCCA Fan of the ACL, SAL, SOU, Clinchfield

rheil posted:

David:

- what time period did the Meteor have two diners ?

- were they identical ? If yes, extra diners may be a possibility. If no, probably won't happen

If you go to jacksonvilleterminal.com you can find information about the diners plus all the other cars on the SM, and trains of the ACL, southern and a little on the seaboard/L&N's gulf wind. This is an HO historical/ railroad modeling club and museum.

the types of diners are listed there. From the late 40's on the seaboard started using 2 diners. this was because of the split in wildwood. One diner went to St. Petersburg, the other to Tampa. There is more detail on the web link if you want to read it. From 1947 on the diners were usually identical.

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
rheil posted:

David:

- what time period did the Meteor have two diners ?

- were they identical ? If yes, extra diners may be a possibility. If no, probably won't happen

If you go to jacksonvilleterminal.com you can find information about the diners plus all the other cars on the SM, and trains of the ACL, southern and a little on the seaboard/L&N's gulf wind. This is an HO historical/ railroad modeling club and museum.

the types of diners are listed there. From the late 40's on the seaboard started using 2 diners. this was because of the split in wildwood. One diner went to St. Petersburg, the other to Tampa. There is more detail on the web link if you want to read it. From 1947 on the diners were usually identical.

Correction: when the train split in wildwood one section went to Miami, the other to St. Petersburg  via Tampa. 

So, what's everybody going to use for motive power on their Meteor?

I have a 3rd Rail E7 lettered for Seaboard so that's going to be my main engine, have another E7 (Williams) also in SAL paint in case 2 are required!

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Bob Delbridge posted:

So, what's everybody going to use for motive power on their Meteor?

I have a 3rd Rail E7 lettered for Seaboard so that's going to be my main engine, have another E7 (Williams) also in SAL paint in case 2 are required!

I pre ordered 1 E8 and 1 E9 from sunset models to pull mine. I will also consider painting an mth E6 B unit dummy so I have 3 units. Too Bad I missed the 3rd rail E7's. Can't wait to get this set! 

Thought I'd resurface this for any newcomers who might be interested.

Bob H or Scott M...any updates on the Silver Meteor?

Also, the ad still says "60-seat coach", but the Budd coaches depicted were 52-seats versions.

I'm getting antsy, I need to start figuring out where I'm going to install a shelf to display it

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Bob Delbridge posted:

Thought I'd resurface this for any newcomers who might be interested.

Bob H or Scott M...any updates on the Silver Meteor?

Also, the ad still says "60-seat coach", but the Budd coaches depicted were 52-seats versions.

I'm getting antsy, I need to start figuring out where I'm going to install a shelf to display it

I emailed Scott about a month ago regarding this set. He said it will be produced after the Sunset and Empire builder sets are produced. Seems we got a wile to wait. So what consist did you order? I'm in for the 6pk plus one of each of the add-ons. 11 cars total..... 12 if Scott will do the extra diners. 

Good question regarding the coaches. I would like an answer to that too.

 

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

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Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

You have any photos of your layout? 

PRRTrainguy posted:

i have copies  of 56 seat coaches from ted at ok engines.  i have tried to scan to this posting but cannot figure out how to copy it from scan 0002 to something i can use.   sorry..  

 

this is orig copy of Budd work order.  better late than never.

mikeg

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Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

You have any photos of your layout? 

A few, I really need to concentrate on detailing and scenery, something I hate to do cause I have ZERO artistic ability.  Here's a diagram of the track plan:

CURRENT LAYOUT WITH ALL 072 Jan 2016

The main loop is in a 12x12 space and the section south of the Wye is maybe 10' long (stairs are where the 88" measurement is shown).

There's yet another space south of the turntable that's probably 12x12 or longer, but it contains my workbench and a load of stuff that belonged to my wife (passed in 2014) that I need to pack up into smaller boxes.

Any new plan would only be an extension of the mainline, running around the perimeter of the upstairs.  Once I get it cleaned out I may get someone to come in and redo the sheetrock, plaster, and carpet, but I'd have to dis-mantle the layout for that to happen.

It could use it, this was done in pieces and shows it.

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Hi Bob

According to this post the SM set is still scheduled for production??  Spoke to GGD today and they said not enough orders.  Can you say where we stand?  I did speak to Scott (via email) in late 2016 and he indicated the SM set was a go.

Best regards

Tommy

Thank you Bob for the quick reply.  I had preordered with Scott last year and was told today by his office person (via phone) that the Silver Meteor is not available.  I hope I misunderstood.  I'll try to email Scott or Bob Heil tomorrow.

Best regards

Tommy

Tommy, "Not Available" could mean a number of things, I'm thinking it's nothing more than actual production hasn't been started yet.  I had a couple of emails to/from BobH a few days ago and he said it was still on track to be done this year.

Still, I'd like to see an update from Scott M.

 

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Hi Guys

As per suggested above, I should contact Scott M.  I did this on Thursday AM.  He replied promptly.  He stated that the Silver Meteor and cars have not been cancelled.  He also stated "there is confusion at the front desk".  He also mentioned a timetable for the shipping date.  Looks like a tentative date of early 2018.

OMG I hope I live that long.  Thanks to all of you that responded to my reply, I appreciate that.

Best regards

Tommy Thompson

Please go back to page 1 and read the first couple of posts.

The last I heard, which was only a week or so ago from Bob Heil ( feel better soon Bob!) was in line with those first few posts.

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Here's the entire paragraph that Jan's speaking of:

A Quick Update of Projects:
- SP S-12 0-6-0 Models Arrive this week. Order Yours now, only a few left](http://www.3rdrail.com/instock.html#SPS12). We posted a new video of a test run at the factory. Come see.
- Announcing SP Hospital Car Paint Schemes. Click HERE.
- Sierra #38 Production is a GO!!!
- T&P 2-10-4 Production is a GO!!!
- E8/E9 Reservations are now full and closed. Any further reservations must be on stand-by. These are entering production now. We expect them in April.
- GGD 12-1 / 8-1-2 Sleepers will arrive in early February. Some roads are fully reserved, others not. See our web site for details.
- GGD O Scale Harriman Car Entering Production. Also, reservations closing soon.
- GGD GN Empire Builder and Great Dome Project Design is Done. We are planning production in 3rd Quarter of 2017.
- GGD Silver Meteor Design to begin this quarter. Production in late 2017 planned. It's a GO!!!

I'll be glad to see the Meteor.  Hope we get an opportunity to see the progress and make comments (they still need to fix the ad to read 52-seat coach vice 60-seat coach).

That Sun-Lounge car is going to be beautiful!!!

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VistaDomeScott posted:

 Wonder if GGD could sell a few of these in Amtrak paint?  Perhaps some individual cars?

The data I provided has numbers for the Amtrak cars (as well as SCL), so yes it could be done.

Anyone wanting these in Amtrak should let GGD know.

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If everyone is looking for a set of unskirted cars then it's not likely that this set will be offered in Amtrak for the amount of orders that would be received.  Just too much cost for such a low number of likely orders. 

SCL Budd observations did run in the early day of Amtrak.  The appeal to me of this set is that it's a way to get a small set of cars to fill in the gaps in my current Amtrak set such as the crew dorm and some variety on coaches and sleepers to balance my mostly PS smooth side fleet of GGD Amtrak cars.

Perhaps the alternative would be to request a set of cars from the Sunset Limited in Amtrak sans the RPO as they are all non-skirted cars and went into Amtrak Service.

Jonathan

 

Bob,,

Well it didn't happen in 2017 but it will in 2018. The problem has been that typically a run of passenger cars must be in the range of 1000 or so cars. There just aren't that many for the Meteor, but it will be combined with something else to come to the 1000 mark in 2018. Scott and I talked about this a week or so ago.

greg773 posted:

While on vacation last week, I took the train from Atlantic City to Philadelphia and coming home I was surprised to see that the Silver Meteor was departing Philly just a few minutes after my train

IMG_6180

I'll be taking it from Phila to Fort Lauderdale on March 7.

BobH,

Are GGD interiors painted or one-color (plastic?)?  I know I've seen a couple of interior photos of the SAL cars, just can't find them right now.  And I think I have the color diagrams from Warren Calloway, will look for those too.

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Folks,

Even though this is a very small production order, only 75 sets 2R and 3R combined, our factory wants to fast track this project in a few months. So if any of you haven't put in your order, now is the time. Yes, we use individually applied interior seats, chairs, tables and bars.  They are multi colored for your enjoyment. The windows are CNCed from Polycarbonate sheets and have stunning clarity.

Please see our web site for putting in your last minute reservations.

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#METEOR

Thank You,

Scott Mann - China

 

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