kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

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Bob H, it was just the 52-seat coaches for RF&P, PRR and both 52-seat coaches and 10-6 sleepers:

sleepers built for PRR (Athens, Bradenton, Chester, Clinton, Elberton, Greenwood)

I contacted the RF&P Historical Society model editor (Craig Harrison) (RFandP.org) to let him know about GGD possibly doing these cars.  Hopefully he'll put the word out.

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

AGHRMatt posted:
rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

3rd Rail is offering the B&O E-27 Consolidation. Likely in this year. I'd really like to have one, but the slush fund just isn't big enough. *sigh*

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Only Bob and Scott know for sure, but the data (photos and drawings) I sent them had the skirts on.  I know Seaboard removed the skirts during their years of service.

Don't I recall Scott saying one of the sets they were thinking about doing had removable skirts???  Maybe he was just throwing it out there and it never happened.

Rex, I saw these cars heading to NYC being pulled by a GG1 on the corridor many times. Go for it, as someone said, just buy the wife a nice shiny Bubble.

Or borrow the money from Matt.

John

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Very good question to which I currently  have no answer. I would think whatever seems to be the prevalent opinion of those who reserve would be the choice. Due to a builder mistake the recent N&W Powhatan Arrow project had to have separate skirts produced for customer add on.  Is that a possibility for these cars? I suppose so. I would pick skirted cars as the standard offering if it were my decision. But the real question is what do you guys reserving the train want?

One thing is for sure - you won't easily remove the skirts from an extrusion made with skirts.

Keep in mind that in order to keep costs down these cars will use the generic GGD streamlined car underbody as used on other projects. If the cars are unskirted I can anticipate complaints stating that the battery boxes are in the wrong location, etc. Skirting tends to hide that issue.

Gilda Radner (Roseann Rosannadana from SNL) was correct "if it's not one thing it's another but it's always something." It's never easy.

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rheil posted:
kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

i am slowly making my colonial (NH) to run on my layout. 

according to an official prr document,  consists of all trains out of NYC.  the colonial on the day in the document, on the other side of the baggage, there were 3 seaboard  coaches and one rf&p 10/6 Pullman.  they were from silver star & one other sbd train .  i presume they were deadheading from NYC to Washington, but this is pure speculation. 

this makes case for rf&p 10/6 Pullman as realistic.  however whether it was ever used on silver meteor, i do not know, but it did exist.

mikeg

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons, please.

The add-on skirts we made for the 300 N&W Cars cost $10,000. It's a very expensive add-on. They required a lot of engineering, etching brass, press works as they call it to put the right curvature in the skirt, castings, soldering, painting. We were lucky to have the right people to make them. The management at the factory that made the Powhatan cars would not take responsibility for the error. So I pulled the plug on any future projects with them. Mistakes happen on both sides, but no factory should push the 100% of the blame on their customer. It was pattern of abuse that I saw since the new management arrived. So I am not their customer anymore. Whew!!! that was a long and awful experience. Onward....

Scott Mann

sdmann posted:

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons,

So, there you have it.  Sounds like SBD and RF&P cars will have skirts. PRR will not. That makes it easier.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

The RF&P had three P-S 10-6's that apparently were built to blend in with the Budd cars. They had fully fluted sides and roof and look really close to the Budd cars. However, a close examination of the pictures show the fluting styles between the Budd and P-S cars are slightly different so it would probably need a different extrusion. I didn't check to see if the Budd and P-S window arrangements were the same. RF&P also had several P-S smooth sided 10-6's painted to match the PRR and N&W.

I agree with all the cars having skirts mainly because the GGD underframe leaves a lot to be desired. Hide it as much as possible. Better detailed underframes would be great in the future, but to do it right you would need three different ones - Budd, P-S, and ACF.

Ken

Ken, that's correct.

The Budd 10-6 (MIAMI below) had small fluting on the roof, above the windows, and on the skirting:

4 Budd 10-6 Sleeper Miami

The Pullman 10-6 (PORTSMOUTH below) had small fluting on the roof, large fluting above and below the windows, and small fluting on the skirting:

Pullman 10-6 Sleeper Portsmouth photo

The window patterns are also different, the Budd windows appear to be taller also.

Talk about SAL 10-6 sleepers drove me nuts until I finally caught on the the differences.

SAL also had ACF cars, with a different fluting pattern and smooth roofs.

When I made my (Pullman) Sun-Lounge car using an OK Engines Budd extrusion, I ended up removing every other flute above the windows and all from the roof:

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Something I do not ever want to do again, and fortunately won't have to now with GGD making it.

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Since the Seaboard Sun-Lounge is a P-S car, won't that require a different extrusion than the rest of the Meteor cars which are Budd cars?

Ken

Ken,

Yes, but it's not the same as what the extrusion would be for any other Pullman, being the roof is smooth (lateral "ribs/lapping" only):

small door and roof

If you can enlarge the Pullman 10-6 you'll see small fluting the length of the roof.  I was stumped for years on what the differences were between the Budd and PS cars until I enlarged the photo.

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