rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Rex,  Good news. What that really means is early 2017 - the start of a new budget. I was surprised by how many inquiries Jonathan Peiffer and I had about both the Meteor train and extra cars at TCA  York last week.  Some PRR modelers were unaware that the extra coaches and 10 and 6 sleepers  are available correctly lettered Pennsylvania. One person even commented about RF&P coaches but that probably won't be done unless Scott gets some inquiries.

Bob D - I am happy that this has come to fruition. Thank you for your efforts on the project.

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Thanks Bob, it's been fun being part of this.

Will we be seeing progress photos/reports as these are being done?

Are GGD cars all track power lighting or is battery power available too?  Lighting will be LEDs right?  I really like the idea of a reed switch and magnetic wand to operate battery-powered LEDs.

If Scott would offer the RF&P car that is also good for N&W and can be used with the Powhatan cars just received.

How about it Scott?

Stephen

nw2124 posted:

If Scott would offer the RF&P car that is also good for N&W and can be used with the Powhatan cars just received.

How about it Scott?

Stephen

How about a true N&W Pm coach instead?

Jim:

Jim: Variant or not it was used on the N&W and part of the N&W history. All would be needed is for Scott to use the PRR extra car and just re-letter it for the RF&P.

Stephen

Lettering aside, is there an actual difference between the PRR and SAL coach and 10-6 extra cars? And will the sun lounge be made available separately? That was tossed around at some point.

 

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Boilermaker1 posted:

Lettering aside, is there an actual difference between the PRR and SAL coach and 10-6 extra cars? And will the sun lounge be made available separately? That was tossed around at some point.

 

No difference except lettering on the SAL, PRR, and RF&P cars.

I really considered this set, but decided it was just too much money for me to spend on a railroad I really don't model. However, I would reserve a couple of RF&P coaches if Scott decided to produce them.

Ken

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

rheil posted:

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

Yeah, how unfortunate.

Put them on so they can be easily removed (without marring the paint), that way folks can make their own boards!!!

That RF&P board would be HUGE.

rheil posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

Maybe the individual cars could be made with loose letter/name/number boards, having all 3 RRs boards in the box so the buyer could determine which cars he wanted to apply???

Bob - great idea but I can hear the complaints now. Added cost and too difficult to glue the letterboards to the cars.

It's always that way, isn't it?

Bob D and Rex,

Just returned from a walk which usually gives me incentive to resolve issues. After considerable thought, I believe the best solution will be for Scott to offer RF&P cars. Although providing letter boards and car name/number boards for all three roads with the cars seems to be the most logical solution my experience tells me it won't work from a business standpoint for Scott.

I will suggest that Scott offer RF&P cars for those that want them.

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Excellent, I'll add one of the RF&P cars to my set!

This is going to make me look at all the consists listed in the books I have to see which/if other RRs were mixed into the Meteor.

kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

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Bob H, it was just the 52-seat coaches for RF&P, PRR and both 52-seat coaches and 10-6 sleepers:

sleepers built for PRR (Athens, Bradenton, Chester, Clinton, Elberton, Greenwood)

I contacted the RF&P Historical Society model editor (Craig Harrison) (RFandP.org) to let him know about GGD possibly doing these cars.  Hopefully he'll put the word out.

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

AGHRMatt posted:
rex desilets posted:

Terrific news--that I didn't need. Still digesting the cost of the B&O Cincinattian set, my allowance for 2016.

Oh, well.

Could be worse, Rex. There could also be a locomotive offering to go with it. My gut tells me that a 3rd Rail/GGD announcement is coming that's going to hit me next year, so I'm supplementing the "slush fund."

3rd Rail is offering the B&O E-27 Consolidation. Likely in this year. I'd really like to have one, but the slush fund just isn't big enough. *sigh*

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Only Bob and Scott know for sure, but the data (photos and drawings) I sent them had the skirts on.  I know Seaboard removed the skirts during their years of service.

Don't I recall Scott saying one of the sets they were thinking about doing had removable skirts???  Maybe he was just throwing it out there and it never happened.

Rex, I saw these cars heading to NYC being pulled by a GG1 on the corridor many times. Go for it, as someone said, just buy the wife a nice shiny Bubble.

Or borrow the money from Matt.

John

Boilermaker1 posted:

Bob H, 

Are these cars skirted or unskirted? The GGD webpage shows an unskirted sleeper and a skirted coach as example photos.... 

 

Very good question to which I currently  have no answer. I would think whatever seems to be the prevalent opinion of those who reserve would be the choice. Due to a builder mistake the recent N&W Powhatan Arrow project had to have separate skirts produced for customer add on.  Is that a possibility for these cars? I suppose so. I would pick skirted cars as the standard offering if it were my decision. But the real question is what do you guys reserving the train want?

One thing is for sure - you won't easily remove the skirts from an extrusion made with skirts.

Keep in mind that in order to keep costs down these cars will use the generic GGD streamlined car underbody as used on other projects. If the cars are unskirted I can anticipate complaints stating that the battery boxes are in the wrong location, etc. Skirting tends to hide that issue.

Gilda Radner (Roseann Rosannadana from SNL) was correct "if it's not one thing it's another but it's always something." It's never easy.

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rheil posted:
kanawha posted:

So are the RF&P cars going to be posted on the GGD website for reservations?

Ken

Eventually, Scott is traveling to the orient now. It will possibly be several weeks before he would update the web site, but I will send him an e-mail today telling him he should add the RF&P option. I suspect it will be some time in 2017 before we would see this set, but you never know. Sometimes builders have an opening and push projects ahead of the expected schedule.

I need to look at the info Bob Delbridge sent me to see whether coaches and sleepers should be made available in RF&P or just coaches.

i am slowly making my colonial (NH) to run on my layout. 

according to an official prr document,  consists of all trains out of NYC.  the colonial on the day in the document, on the other side of the baggage, there were 3 seaboard  coaches and one rf&p 10/6 Pullman.  they were from silver star & one other sbd train .  i presume they were deadheading from NYC to Washington, but this is pure speculation. 

this makes case for rf&p 10/6 Pullman as realistic.  however whether it was ever used on silver meteor, i do not know, but it did exist.

mikeg

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons, please.

The add-on skirts we made for the 300 N&W Cars cost $10,000. It's a very expensive add-on. They required a lot of engineering, etching brass, press works as they call it to put the right curvature in the skirt, castings, soldering, painting. We were lucky to have the right people to make them. The management at the factory that made the Powhatan cars would not take responsibility for the error. So I pulled the plug on any future projects with them. Mistakes happen on both sides, but no factory should push the 100% of the blame on their customer. It was pattern of abuse that I saw since the new management arrived. So I am not their customer anymore. Whew!!! that was a long and awful experience. Onward....

Scott Mann

sdmann posted:

I vote for making these cars with skirts, except for the extra PRR cars which didn't have skirts. One way or the other, but not add-ons,

So, there you have it.  Sounds like SBD and RF&P cars will have skirts. PRR will not. That makes it easier.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

The RF&P had three P-S 10-6's that apparently were built to blend in with the Budd cars. They had fully fluted sides and roof and look really close to the Budd cars. However, a close examination of the pictures show the fluting styles between the Budd and P-S cars are slightly different so it would probably need a different extrusion. I didn't check to see if the Budd and P-S window arrangements were the same. RF&P also had several P-S smooth sided 10-6's painted to match the PRR and N&W.

I agree with all the cars having skirts mainly because the GGD underframe leaves a lot to be desired. Hide it as much as possible. Better detailed underframes would be great in the future, but to do it right you would need three different ones - Budd, P-S, and ACF.

Ken

Ken, that's correct.

The Budd 10-6 (MIAMI below) had small fluting on the roof, above the windows, and on the skirting:

4 Budd 10-6 Sleeper Miami

The Pullman 10-6 (PORTSMOUTH below) had small fluting on the roof, large fluting above and below the windows, and small fluting on the skirting:

Pullman 10-6 Sleeper Portsmouth photo

The window patterns are also different, the Budd windows appear to be taller also.

Talk about SAL 10-6 sleepers drove me nuts until I finally caught on the the differences.

SAL also had ACF cars, with a different fluting pattern and smooth roofs.

When I made my (Pullman) Sun-Lounge car using an OK Engines Budd extrusion, I ended up removing every other flute above the windows and all from the roof:

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Something I do not ever want to do again, and fortunately won't have to now with GGD making it.

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Since the Seaboard Sun-Lounge is a P-S car, won't that require a different extrusion than the rest of the Meteor cars which are Budd cars?

Ken

Ken,

Yes, but it's not the same as what the extrusion would be for any other Pullman, being the roof is smooth (lateral "ribs/lapping" only):

small door and roof

If you can enlarge the Pullman 10-6 you'll see small fluting the length of the roof.  I was stumped for years on what the differences were between the Budd and PS cars until I enlarged the photo.

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Hi everyone, I'm in for a silver meteor set, glad to see the add on PRR pool cars and the RF&P coach. However the train also had 5-2-2 sleepers and 11 double bedroom sleepers. Also because of the train splitting and half going to Miami and half going to St. Petersburg the train had 2 diners. It would be nice to get one more sleeper type, and a separate sale diner to replicate this train as seen during that time period. Not the end of the world if this can't happen but just curious to read any opinions on this. 

 

Thanks,

David

David:

- what time period did the Meteor have two diners ?

- were they identical ? If yes, extra diners may be a possibility. If no, probably won't happen

BobH.,

Consists lists (after 1956, from Larry Goolsby's book Seaboard Air Line Passenger Service, The Streamlined Era, page 136) show 2 diners (SAL #6102 and 6104) on the northbound Meteor (PRR 114), Feb 12, 1962.  This train had 1 engine (GG1) and 17 lightweight cars (8 sleepers).

Southbound SAL 57, Dec 3, 1964 (page 137), show 2 diners (FEC Fort Matanzas and SAL 6103), 3 engines (2 E8s and 1 E7), and 19 lightweight cars (9 sleepers).

Northbound SAL 58, May 29, 1967 (page 137), shows 2 diners (SAL 6103 and 6108), 3 engines and 13 lightweight cars (5 sleepers).

Couldn't find any reason why 2 diners, other than these trains and a good amount of sleepers mixed in.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Mike, The RF&P 10-6 sleeper probably did exist, but during the course of researching the Silver Meteor I only concentrated on those cars, of which the PRR Budd 52-seat coach and Budd 10-6 sleeper, and the RF&P 52-seat coach, were built at the same time.

It's most likely not the same configuration as the Budd 10-6.  I REALLY wanted the Pullman 10-6 so I could have the SAL PORTSMOUTH, but it would have required a different extrusion for the body.

RF&P did order 10-6 sleepers for the PRR/RF&P/SAL service. The RF&P owned the Essex, Chesterfield and Lancaster, all built by Pullman in 1949. 

Generally, lightweight cars with silver letter boards were for SAL service, and purple letter boards for ACL/FEC service.

Might be too late to add these, especially since they are Pullman and not Budd. 

 

 

Larry, it's been said Scott (or probably his contractor) doesn't want to do single cars, but I sure would love a Seaboard Pullman 10-6 sleeper with PORTSMOUTH on the side.  I wonder if the interiors were the same, I doubt it.

Bob,

The Pullman RF&P and SAL sleepers were built at the same time in 1949, so more than likely they would all be plan 4140-A. The SAL also had Budd build 6 10-6 sleepers in 1949, but don't know their floor plan arrangement. 

Larry,

The 1949 Budd 10-6 Sleeper is the one coming in the set:

budd sleeper diagram

Here's the floor plan for the Pullman 10-6:

Pullman 10-6 sleeper

Is it possible to find out how many RRs bought the 4140-A cars?  If so, maybe there will a future train offered that includes the Pullman sleeper and SAL and RF&P can be done like the PRR and RF&P coach is being done in this current SAL 6-car set

Everything I have indicates that SAL/SCL/Amtrak, and RF&P were the only RRs that had the 4140A plan cars.

The SAL cars passed on to SCL, then Amtrak, could have been altered so much that the interiors were totally different.

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Bob,

There was a web page called ThePullman Project, I think, that listed every Pullman heavyweight and lightweight sleeper built. Plan 4140-A was popular, especially in the South. Let me look back through the data and I will see how many railroads would be represented. I think there would be plenty to choose from, question would be minimum order per car. 

rheil posted:

David:

- what time period did the Meteor have two diners ?

- were they identical ? If yes, extra diners may be a possibility. If no, probably won't happen

If you go to jacksonvilleterminal.com you can find information about the diners plus all the other cars on the SM, and trains of the ACL, southern and a little on the seaboard/L&N's gulf wind. This is an HO historical/ railroad modeling club and museum.

the types of diners are listed there. From the late 40's on the seaboard started using 2 diners. this was because of the split in wildwood. One diner went to St. Petersburg, the other to Tampa. There is more detail on the web link if you want to read it. From 1947 on the diners were usually identical.

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
rheil posted:

David:

- what time period did the Meteor have two diners ?

- were they identical ? If yes, extra diners may be a possibility. If no, probably won't happen

If you go to jacksonvilleterminal.com you can find information about the diners plus all the other cars on the SM, and trains of the ACL, southern and a little on the seaboard/L&N's gulf wind. This is an HO historical/ railroad modeling club and museum.

the types of diners are listed there. From the late 40's on the seaboard started using 2 diners. this was because of the split in wildwood. One diner went to St. Petersburg, the other to Tampa. There is more detail on the web link if you want to read it. From 1947 on the diners were usually identical.

Correction: when the train split in wildwood one section went to Miami, the other to St. Petersburg  via Tampa. 

So, what's everybody going to use for motive power on their Meteor?

I have a 3rd Rail E7 lettered for Seaboard so that's going to be my main engine, have another E7 (Williams) also in SAL paint in case 2 are required!

Bob Delbridge posted:

So, what's everybody going to use for motive power on their Meteor?

I have a 3rd Rail E7 lettered for Seaboard so that's going to be my main engine, have another E7 (Williams) also in SAL paint in case 2 are required!

I pre ordered 1 E8 and 1 E9 from sunset models to pull mine. I will also consider painting an mth E6 B unit dummy so I have 3 units. Too Bad I missed the 3rd rail E7's. Can't wait to get this set! 

Thought I'd resurface this for any newcomers who might be interested.

Bob H or Scott M...any updates on the Silver Meteor?

Also, the ad still says "60-seat coach", but the Budd coaches depicted were 52-seats versions.

I'm getting antsy, I need to start figuring out where I'm going to install a shelf to display it

Bob Delbridge posted:

Thought I'd resurface this for any newcomers who might be interested.

Bob H or Scott M...any updates on the Silver Meteor?

Also, the ad still says "60-seat coach", but the Budd coaches depicted were 52-seats versions.

I'm getting antsy, I need to start figuring out where I'm going to install a shelf to display it

I emailed Scott about a month ago regarding this set. He said it will be produced after the Sunset and Empire builder sets are produced. Seems we got a wile to wait. So what consist did you order? I'm in for the 6pk plus one of each of the add-ons. 11 cars total..... 12 if Scott will do the extra diners. 

Good question regarding the coaches. I would like an answer to that too.

 

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

You have any photos of your layout? 

i have copies  of 56 seat coaches from ted at ok engines.  i have tried to scan to this posting but cannot figure out how to copy it from scan 0002 to something i can use.   sorry..

 

PRRTrainguy posted:

i have copies  of 56 seat coaches from ted at ok engines.  i have tried to scan to this posting but cannot figure out how to copy it from scan 0002 to something i can use.   sorry..  

 

this is orig copy of Budd work order.  better late than never.

mikeg

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Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I'm getting the 6-car set plus one of the RF&P coaches.  I hope I can expand my layout  to the entire upstairs so I can run this thing if not, it'll be put on display (if I can get along enough shelf).

I know the drawings indicated 52-seats, just want to make sure the correct info gets out to everyone.

Cool! I hope you can make enough room to run it. 

You have any photos of your layout? 

A few, I really need to concentrate on detailing and scenery, something I hate to do cause I have ZERO artistic ability.  Here's a diagram of the track plan:

CURRENT LAYOUT WITH ALL 072 Jan 2016

The main loop is in a 12x12 space and the section south of the Wye is maybe 10' long (stairs are where the 88" measurement is shown).

There's yet another space south of the turntable that's probably 12x12 or longer, but it contains my workbench and a load of stuff that belonged to my wife (passed in 2014) that I need to pack up into smaller boxes.

Any new plan would only be an extension of the mainline, running around the perimeter of the upstairs.  Once I get it cleaned out I may get someone to come in and redo the sheetrock, plaster, and carpet, but I'd have to dis-mantle the layout for that to happen.

It could use it, this was done in pieces and shows it.

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Hi Bob

According to this post the SM set is still scheduled for production??  Spoke to GGD today and they said not enough orders.  Can you say where we stand?  I did speak to Scott (via email) in late 2016 and he indicated the SM set was a go.

Best regards

Tommy

Tommy, last I heard it was scheduled for this year, 2017, and that they had enough orders.  Scott, or Bob Heil will have to step in and explain.

Thank you Bob for the quick reply.  I had preordered with Scott last year and was told today by his office person (via phone) that the Silver Meteor is not available.  I hope I misunderstood.  I'll try to email Scott or Bob Heil tomorrow.

Best regards

Tommy

Tommy, "Not Available" could mean a number of things, I'm thinking it's nothing more than actual production hasn't been started yet.  I had a couple of emails to/from BobH a few days ago and he said it was still on track to be done this year.

Still, I'd like to see an update from Scott M.

 

Hi Guys

As per suggested above, I should contact Scott M.  I did this on Thursday AM.  He replied promptly.  He stated that the Silver Meteor and cars have not been cancelled.  He also stated "there is confusion at the front desk".  He also mentioned a timetable for the shipping date.  Looks like a tentative date of early 2018.

OMG I hope I live that long.  Thanks to all of you that responded to my reply, I appreciate that.

Best regards

Tommy Thompson

When it will be made is a combination of sufficient SM reservations combined with other compatible trains/cars to together meet the minimum.   Not even close right now.

Please go back to page 1 and read the first couple of posts.

The last I heard, which was only a week or so ago from Bob Heil ( feel better soon Bob!) was in line with those first few posts.

From Scott Mann's January 2017 Update (recieved this morning 1/9)

"GGD Silver Meteor Design to begin this quarter. Production in late 2017 planned. It's a GO!!!"

Jan

Here's the entire paragraph that Jan's speaking of:

A Quick Update of Projects:
- SP S-12 0-6-0 Models Arrive this week. Order Yours now, only a few left](http://www.3rdrail.com/instock.html#SPS12). We posted a new video of a test run at the factory. Come see.
- Announcing SP Hospital Car Paint Schemes. Click HERE.
- Sierra #38 Production is a GO!!!
- T&P 2-10-4 Production is a GO!!!
- E8/E9 Reservations are now full and closed. Any further reservations must be on stand-by. These are entering production now. We expect them in April.
- GGD 12-1 / 8-1-2 Sleepers will arrive in early February. Some roads are fully reserved, others not. See our web site for details.
- GGD O Scale Harriman Car Entering Production. Also, reservations closing soon.
- GGD GN Empire Builder and Great Dome Project Design is Done. We are planning production in 3rd Quarter of 2017.
- GGD Silver Meteor Design to begin this quarter. Production in late 2017 planned. It's a GO!!!

I'll be glad to see the Meteor.  Hope we get an opportunity to see the progress and make comments (they still need to fix the ad to read 52-seat coach vice 60-seat coach).

That Sun-Lounge car is going to be beautiful!!!

VistaDomeScott posted:

 Wonder if GGD could sell a few of these in Amtrak paint?  Perhaps some individual cars?

The data I provided has numbers for the Amtrak cars (as well as SCL), so yes it could be done.

Anyone wanting these in Amtrak should let GGD know.

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I've asked Scott about this.  Let me ask again.  It would take probably about 10 set orders to get it done, but I'm only guessing at this point.

^^^^

what he said. Unskirted, narrow diaphragms and no obs. car.

Id buy some cars, or some kind of "set" that had, say a sleeper, the sun lounge and some coaches. 

They were de-skirted by Seaboard. Amtrak cars wouldnt have skirts. 

Since Scott has previously suggested the PRR coaches wont have skirts, then those cars could be used for a basis of Amtrak coaches. 

 

If everyone is looking for a set of unskirted cars then it's not likely that this set will be offered in Amtrak for the amount of orders that would be received.  Just too much cost for such a low number of likely orders. 

SCL Budd observations did run in the early day of Amtrak.  The appeal to me of this set is that it's a way to get a small set of cars to fill in the gaps in my current Amtrak set such as the crew dorm and some variety on coaches and sleepers to balance my mostly PS smooth side fleet of GGD Amtrak cars.

Perhaps the alternative would be to request a set of cars from the Sunset Limited in Amtrak sans the RPO as they are all non-skirted cars and went into Amtrak Service.

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Bob Delbridge posted:

Scott Mann, can you give us a sign to show this is still in the works?

Bob,

The Silver Meteor is planned for production later this year. Really.

While on vacation last week, I took the train from Atlantic City to Philadelphia and coming home I was surprised to see that the Silver Meteor was departing Philly just a few minutes after my train

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Bob,,

Well it didn't happen in 2017 but it will in 2018. The problem has been that typically a run of passenger cars must be in the range of 1000 or so cars. There just aren't that many for the Meteor, but it will be combined with something else to come to the 1000 mark in 2018. Scott and I talked about this a week or so ago.

greg773 posted:

While on vacation last week, I took the train from Atlantic City to Philadelphia and coming home I was surprised to see that the Silver Meteor was departing Philly just a few minutes after my train

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I'll be taking it from Phila to Fort Lauderdale on March 7.

BobH,

Are GGD interiors painted or one-color (plastic?)?  I know I've seen a couple of interior photos of the SAL cars, just can't find them right now.  And I think I have the color diagrams from Warren Calloway, will look for those too.

Folks,

Even though this is a very small production order, only 75 sets 2R and 3R combined, our factory wants to fast track this project in a few months. So if any of you haven't put in your order, now is the time. Yes, we use individually applied interior seats, chairs, tables and bars.  They are multi colored for your enjoyment. The windows are CNCed from Polycarbonate sheets and have stunning clarity.

Please see our web site for putting in your last minute reservations.

http://www.goldengatedepot.com...ervation.html#METEOR

Thank You,

Scott Mann - China

 

I found a few color photos of the 1968 Meteor I thought I would share.  Can't be that far removed from the 1956 cars.  The B/W photo says 1952 (or was that 62?):

silver meteor logo1962 OBS1968 coach1968 diner1968 OBS1968 silver meteor1968 sun lounge

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Bob Delbridge posted:

Scott/Bob, has the needle moved at all on this project, itching for an update!

From what I know, it's in the design phase.

I've been seeing  a lot of posts about wanting cars in AMTRAK paint.  Has anyone asked Scott to do these cars in AMTRAK???  I think all of them were painted into AMTRAK once they took over the passenger car business.

Bob Delbridge posted:

I've been seeing  a lot of posts about wanting cars in AMTRAK paint.  Has anyone asked Scott to do these cars in AMTRAK???  I think all of them were painted into AMTRAK once they took over the passenger car business.

I haven't asked him, I would definitely get some individual coaches in Amtrak if offered. I think the skirting would have to be removed for them to be prototypical for Amtrak. 

I did ask and the answer is no.  There has only been one serious request for an Amtrak set to Scott and I would have been the second.  The skirting would have been removed and now the factory is less willing to offer these variations than they used to be without significant cost increases.  There were more requests for individual cars, but not enough to make the extra road name viable.

All the cars did run on Amtrak and some of the sleepers and coaches made it into the Heritage Fleet. 

GG1 4877 posted:

I did ask and the answer is no.  There has only been one serious request for an Amtrak set to Scott and I would have been the second.  The skirting would have been removed and now the factory is less willing to offer these variations than they used to be without significant cost increases.  There were more requests for individual cars, but not enough to make the extra road name viable.

All the cars did run on Amtrak and some of the sleepers and coaches made it into the Heritage Fleet. 

Ok good to know. Any idea of production schedule on this set?

Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Ok good to know. Any idea of production schedule on this set?

I can't speak for Scott on this, but we have reviewed the factory drawings and just verifying the names /  numbers that will go on each car.  The next step is graphics, which aren't too complex on this set, so production is likely this year still?  As everyone knows costs have increased in China so it's hard to predict schedule at this point.

GG1 4877 posted:
Dj'sOgaugetrains posted:

Ok good to know. Any idea of production schedule on this set?

I can't speak for Scott on this, but we have reviewed the factory drawings and just verifying the names /  numbers that will go on each car.  The next step is graphics, which aren't too complex on this set, so production is likely this year still?  As everyone knows costs have increased in China so it's hard to predict schedule at this point.

Aaahh ok thanks for the update 

dj

Steve Adby posted:

Any pics of the cars yet please?

If they are in production, how can there be any pictures of the finished cars?

Hot Water posted:
Steve Adby posted:

Any pics of the cars yet please?

If they are in production, how can there be any pictures of the finished cars?

HW,     Let's not let reality impede this thread! LOL

Simon

Hot Water posted:
Steve Adby posted:

Any pics of the cars yet please?

If they are in production, how can there be any pictures of the finished cars?

I didn't say finished cars-I merely wondered if there are any production photos or any test shot pics to whet our appetite. 😊

GGD doesn't show pre-production photos anymore just like the other major manufacturers.  To often people, most who have no plans to buy a set nitpick the product to death before it has been released based on a partially complete product.  It causes people to needlessly cancel their orders only to wish they had not after the sets have arrived and the non-reserved sets have already been sold to customers with back-up orders.

I certainly wish it was different, but it seems that is the environment we live in.  This is especially true on this forum.  From what I have seen and collaborated on, it is going to be another fabulous set.  Wish I had the funds to have ordered a set. 

GG1 4877 posted:

GGD doesn't show pre-production photos anymore just like the other major manufacturers.  To often people, most who have no plans to buy a set nitpick the product to death before it has been released based on a partially complete product.  It causes people to needlessly cancel their orders only to wish they had not after the sets have arrived and the non-reserved sets have already been sold to customers with back-up orders.

I certainly wish it was different, but it seems that is the environment we live in.  This is especially true on this forum.  From what I have seen and collaborated on, it is going to be another fabulous set.  Wish I had the funds to have ordered a set. 

Thanks for your nice reply, Jonathan. Yes, it's very sad when people get like that.....it's as though the internet gives everyone the right to interject and add their penny worth.

Interestingly, Lee Marsh, who produces the most unbelievably high quality brass items here in the U.K. does post progress pictures and it seems to work in his favour. If you go to his website, check out the Victorian Great Western Railways coaches he has produced....works of art!

I've really enjoyed reading your posts on this thread and very much appreciate you taking the time and trouble to respond. The Silver Meteor has always been one of my favourite streamliners and I can't wait to see how it turns out. I just wish the stock would come with couplers fitted!

Best wishes from the UK.

Steve.

 

I finally got my Mianne bench work and track down, now I’m in the process of putting in Caboose Industries Ground Throws.  While I’m waiting for the Meteor to get finished and arrive I’m going to run trains and make sure the track is functional.  Most of my switches came from Signature Switch and work fine, but I built 7-8 myself and need to make sure they don’t cause any derailments.  They’re a bit more bumpy than the Signature switches, but I’ve got them all on sidings where the speed is low.

Anyway, I can hardly wait.  This will be my first GGD passenger train!

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Bob Delbridge posted:

I finally got my Maine bench work and track down, now I’m in the process of putting in Caboose Industries Ground Throws.  While I’m waiting for the Meteor to get finished and arrive I’m going to run trains and make sure the track is functional.  Most of my switches came from Signature Switch and work fine, but I built 7-8 myself and need to make sure they don’t cause any derailments.  They’re a bit more bumpy than the Signature switches, but I’ve got them all on sidings where the speed is low.

Anyway, I can hardly wait.  This will be my first GGD passenger train!

bob, you will love your ggd train.

mikeg

Bob Delbridge posted:

I finally got my Maine bench work and track down

Bob,   I hope you meant you finally got your MAIN bench work and track down, and you didn't have to go all the way to MAINE for your lumber!

Simon

Simon Winter posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I finally got my Maine bench work and track down

Bob,   I hope you meant you finally got your MAIN bench work and track down, and you didn't have to go all the way to MAINE for your lumber!

Simon

Oops, not that far north!!!  Fixed it.  I've done away with my desktop PC and now using my laptop and having a hard time with the keyboard!!!

Mike, I figured AFTER I had gone to the effort of scratch building a close facsimile this would happen.  Hey...maybe if I start on this:

sal pacific 2

we'll see one from one of the makers shortly afterwards.

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Screenshot_20180830-060926_Chrome~01Screenshot_20180823-230945_Chrome~01looks like the Sun Lounge car appears the same pre Amtrak.  Does the model GGD is making have more skirting?  Many cars retained skirting in the first few years of Amtrak.  

I still think if GGD produced extra sets in Amtrak they will sell without need for preorders.  Where are all the so hard to sell Amtrak GGD Slumbercoaches, 10-6, & 4-4-2 Sleepers?  Answer is... SOLD OUT!!!

 

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Screenshot_20180830-130620_Chrome~01My point is, lots of Amtrak equipment retained skirts into the early 70s.  Not an excuse for not offering Amtrak equipment with skirts. The above slumbercoach even made it to phase 2 paint with skirts.Screenshot_20180830-114512_Chrome~01Screenshot_20180830-114357_Chrome~01

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VistaDomeScott posted:

My point is, lots of Amtrak equipment retained skirts into the early 70s.  Not an excuse for not offering Amtrak equipment with skirts.Screenshot_20180830-114512_Chrome~01

If you really desire skirts, you better have REALLY BIG curves, especially in 3-Rail.

I don't know (maybe Scott M and Bob H do), but there may not have been enough inquiries/orders for justifying Amtrak cars.  I'd have to go back and read all the post to even see if Amtrak had been offered, I know the data was provided.

Besides, there may always be another run if enough folks make it known they're in the market to buy and let Scott know.  I think the Sun-Lounge cars would sell well no matter what name was on the side.

Bob Delbridge posted:

I don't know (maybe Scott M and Bob H do), but there may not have been enough inquiries/orders for justifying Amtrak cars.  I'd have to go back and read all the post to even see if Amtrak had been offered, I know the data was provided.

Besides, there may always be another run if enough folks make it known they're in the market to buy and let Scott know.  I think the Sun-Lounge cars would sell well no matter what name was on the side.

Its hard to get sales on something you do not offer. 

 Wonder what changed since the Amtrak versions of ATSF high level cars, 4-4-2, 10-6, & Slumbercoaches were made in Amtrak?

I wish I could tell you, I lost all my emails between myself, BobH, and ScottM when I switched email accounts.  I know the Amtrak cars were discussed, just don't recall the details or reasons for not doing them at this time.

Well I only ordered the extra PRR coach. I am almost paid off with it and I am debating on whether or not to get the extra PRR sleeping car. I still owe on the army comm, hospital, and surgical cars.... Plus the Heavyweights.

Unless GGD comes up with some more PRR cars, I will be done unless I get a hold of their 2008 PRR Broadway LTD sets.

prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well I only ordered the extra PRR coach. I am almost paid off with it and I am debating on whether or not to get the extra PRR sleeping car. I still owe on the army comm, hospital, and surgical cars.... Plus the Heavyweights.

Unless GGD comes up with some more PRR cars, I will be done unless I get a hold of their 2008 PRR Broadway LTD sets.

check public delivery track.  higher prices but may have what you are looking for.

mikeg

VistaDomeScott posted:
Bob Delbridge posted:

I don't know (maybe Scott M and Bob H do), but there may not have been enough inquiries/orders for justifying Amtrak cars.  I'd have to go back and read all the post to even see if Amtrak had been offered, I know the data was provided.

Besides, there may always be another run if enough folks make it known they're in the market to buy and let Scott know.  I think the Sun-Lounge cars would sell well no matter what name was on the side.

Its hard to get sales on something you do not offer. 

 Wonder what changed since the Amtrak versions of ATSF high level cars, 4-4-2, 10-6, & Slumbercoaches were made in Amtrak?

In the projects you mention we had only 2 or 3 orders in Amtrak. Since then Amtrak has required us to sign a licensing agreement to do any more Amtrak painted cars or engines and pay a royalty for the privledge. In the process we are required to send samples for approval of paint color and decal design. Too much expense and  effort for just a couple of orders.  If anyone wants to paint and decal their own cars, we can offer cars undecorated. These are the reasons why we don't offer Amtrak schemes in these cars.

We are trying to get enough orders for the Amfleet cars. It's getting there, but still short of our expectations.

Scott Mann

PRRTrainguy posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well I only ordered the extra PRR coach. I am almost paid off with it and I am debating on whether or not to get the extra PRR sleeping car. I still owe on the army comm, hospital, and surgical cars.... Plus the Heavyweights.

Unless GGD comes up with some more PRR cars, I will be done unless I get a hold of their 2008 PRR Broadway LTD sets.

check public delivery track.  higher prices but may have what you are looking for.

mikeg

Thank you for the suggestion. I have checked their site regularly and I am in 3 rail. I have what they offer in three rail now. IF only Beth could convert the 2 rail to three rail.....

prrhorseshoecurve posted:
PRRTrainguy posted:
prrhorseshoecurve posted:

Well I only ordered the extra PRR coach. I am almost paid off with it and I am debating on whether or not to get the extra PRR sleeping car. I still owe on the army comm, hospital, and surgical cars.... Plus the Heavyweights.

Unless GGD comes up with some more PRR cars, I will be done unless I get a hold of their 2008 PRR Broadway LTD sets.

check public delivery track.  higher prices but may have what you are looking for.

mikeg

Thank you for the suggestion. I have checked their site regularly and I am in 3 rail. I have what they offer in three rail now. IF only Beth could convert the 2 rail to three rail.....

ask Beth, you might be surprised.

mikeg

I've always found Scott very cooperative on doing paint schemes as long as you have enough to make it worthwhile as he runs a business not a charity.   I've ordered Amfleet cars but may order more.  I am looking at seeing if he will do the Northeast Regional Amtrak scheme.  If you are interested in that paint scheme please let him know.

He is offering so many things I want it's hard to get them all....LOL.  I have SCL cars coming and VGN EL-2Bs.  Looking at the super domes, etc

 

Hi Folks,

I cut the UPS tags for most all paid orders on Monday. We are picking and packing these orders and 1/2 have shipped on Monday 2.11 and the rest will ship 2.13. I hope they arrive un damaged, but if so, just email me if you need service. Every single set and car is spoken for. It's really been crazy trying to keep up with orders. I guess that's a good thing.

We will be announcing more trains in the near future. Thanks to all of you that support these projects.

Thanks again Scott and BobH.  This train has been at the top of my want list since I got into O scale 30 years ago!

Wish I knew more about the Atlantic Coast Line passenger trains, that would be my next "want"!!!

VistaDomeScott posted:

Any pics guys?  Awaiting my set to arrive.

OK, I'll take the bait (and leave it to the OP to start a new thread if he wants to). 

Here are a few pictures of the three cars from my six car set that I have unboxed. The perspective in the first photo makes it seem that these might be a 21", an 18" and a 15" car but obviously they are not:

TRIO

The photo above gives a fairly accurate impression of the finish, which is painted to represent stainless steel. In the ones below of the observation car it is either too shiny or too dull compared to the actual model:

OBS2

OBS-MARKERS

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sdmann posted:

Hi Folks,

I cut the UPS tags for most all paid orders on Monday. We are picking and packing these orders and 1/2 have shipped on Monday 2.11 and the rest will ship 2.13. I hope they arrive un damaged, but if so, just email me if you need service. Every single set and car is spoken for. It's really been crazy trying to keep up with orders. I guess that's a good thing.

We will be announcing more trains in the near future. Thanks to all of you that support these projects.

Scott,

Have you ever considered in making the Phoebe Snow 8 car set.

VistaDomeScott posted:

Those are spectacular!

Yes, agreed; spectacular is the word. There are a few cosmetic issues but a couple of things to note:

1. No “dead spots” in the internal LED lighting as with older GGD 21” cars, which is an improvement Scott said would be made.

2.  The GGD passenger figures inside are OK but the quality of these cars practically cries out for more and better figures that do not look like they were made for reclining chairs. Not sure I am ready to open up any of them for this purpose but the Sun Lounge car needs attention . . .

As a side note, I wish all passenger cars came without figures, but 3 railers ask for them. When you remove them, the chairs are left damaged from the glue. If Scott takes them from future productions, it could help prices but I bet many will see that as a "removed" feature.  I'm ok w them as long as Scott can keep on making these gifts for us. 

Hancock52 posted:
VistaDomeScott posted:

Any pics guys?  Awaiting my set to arrive.

OK, I'll take the bait (and leave it to the OP to start a new thread if he wants to). 

Here are a few pictures of the three cars from my six car set that I have unboxed. The perspective in the first photo makes it seem that these might be a 21", an 18" and a 15" car but obviously they are not:

TRIO

The photo above gives a fairly accurate impression of the finish, which is painted to represent stainless steel. In the ones below of the observation car it is either too shiny or too dull compared to the actual model:

OBS2

OBS-MARKERS

Beautiful!!!  Mine should be here any day now.

What did you have to do to put Kadees on them?

I'm getting 3-rail cars but run on code 148 2-rail track, so I need to (1) put Kadees on and (2) remove the center rollers.  That means no lights so (3) I'll have to figure out how to light that gorgeous OBS car's rear end!

When I saw the diner photo I almost went into shock, WHAT'S an antenna doing on top of (my) SAL car?!?!?!?!  But the only photo I can find of a real one kinda shows an antenna on the roof,either that or there's a handrail behind the car and it's an optical illusion.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Beautiful!!!  Mine should be here any day now.

What did you have to do to put Kadees on them?

I didn't (install Kadees). What you are seeing on the rear of the observation car is the scale coupler that comes stock on this particular car. It looks like a Kadee but I am not sure it is. The other couplers are the stock GGD 3 rail style.

I'm getting 3-rail cars but run on code 148 2-rail track, so I need to (1) put Kadees on and (2) remove the center rollers.  That means no lights so (3) I'll have to figure out how to light that gorgeous OBS car's rear end!

Sacrilege! These cars were meant to run with full lighting. But I assume that you can power them off the wheels with an appropriate DC-DC conversion module. 

When I saw the diner photo I almost went into shock, WHAT'S an antenna doing on top of (my) SAL car?!?!?!?!  But the only photo I can find of a real one kinda shows an antenna on the roof,either that or there's a handrail behind the car and it's an optical illusion.

No, that's no illusion; there is an antenna there. Shows up slightly better in the additional photo below:

IMG_6319

I have not researched the prototype sufficiently to know whether the antenna is completely accurate but I have learned to trust how streamlined cars are rendered by the best HO car builders, whose research I have consulted for other named trains. In this case I have found the below images, which although not of the same car as GGD modeled nonetheless show the antenna in place:

SAL6112-1

SAL6112-3

 

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Thanks!  I'll be running lights (are they LEDs???) off a battery (no power on my rails) at some point, the rear lights on the OBS anyway, don't care for that operating room appearance the lights give in O scale cars.

Bob Delbridge posted:

Thanks!  I'll be running lights (are they LEDs???) off a battery (no power on my rails) at some point, the rear lights on the OBS anyway, don't care for that operating room appearance the lights give in O scale cars.

Here's a thought: Some Importers have been known to have an ON/OFF switch on the bottom for lighting. A nice option, I think....or you could get a couple Doctor figures to sit in your cars. 

Simon

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@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Where can you purchese these? I have been looking for that Sun-Lounge for years to complete my Lehigh Gorge Special (It was on the train) 

The Sun Lounge was only part of the six car set. I pre-ordered mine at least a couple of years ago. While I suspect that they are sold out at GGD you might try contacting them or one of their dealers.

Hancock52 posted:
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Where can you purchese these? I have been looking for that Sun-Lounge for years to complete my Lehigh Gorge Special (It was on the train) 

The Sun Lounge was only part of the six car set. I pre-ordered mine at least a couple of years ago. While I suspect that they are sold out at GGD you might try contacting them or one of their dealers.

Thanks for the info, who knows maybe they might pop up at york....