Golden Gate Depot 1938 20th Century Limited

@Norman R posted:

How many people are willing to pay more for what would be expected to be higher authenticity passenger cars?

When you compare prices, GGD cars are roughly $33 more per car than Lionel's new offerings. That's not a heck of a lot...

@Magicland posted:

When you compare prices, GGD cars are roughly $33 more per car than Lionel's new offerings. That's not a heck of a lot...

You will spend at least that amount to add figures to Lionel cars not to mention the work required to paint the interiors.

Pete

Golden Gate Depot aluminum cars are roughly $325-$350 per car actual street price. I know because I have them and I'm getting them. Lionel catalogue list price for the eight car set is approximately $2,000 and the street price will be about 10% less than that. I would buy the GGD cars every time. They are aluminum, prototypically correct, have gorgeous interior detail (painted) with people, and come with the best service in the hobby IMO.

I'd consider it, even though I'm already in for the full GGD 1948 version of the same train that's about to arrive in the states.  For true scale cars, GGD passenger cars are the best and everything else is a distant second.

If we're talking GGD re-issues though, I'd rather see Round 2 of the SAL Silver Meteor first.  My list of cool 3rd Rail / GGD stuff I missed the first time around has quite a few entries on it!

Have the original GGD dozen and no need for more.

I am surprised GGD has not reissued the 1938/1940 20th Century Limited yet.  It was one of the first sets they made and it had a weight problem.  The cars are very heavy!  The locomotive cannot pull them all.  An updated, lighter, version would be great to see produced.

@Jtrain posted:

I am surprised GGD has not reissued the 1938/1940 20th Century Limited yet.  It was one of the first sets they made and it had a weight problem.  The cars are very heavy!  The locomotive cannot pull them all.  An updated, lighter, version would be great to see produced.

Better trucks would help. They are not particularly free rolling. This is one place where Lionel’s are much better.

Pete

@Norton posted:

Better trucks would help. They are not particularly free rolling. This is one place where Lionel’s are much better.

Pete

Pete,

Does the Lionel set in the new catalog look accurate to the prototype, based on the drawings?

@Norton posted:

Better trucks would help. They are not particularly free rolling. This is one place where Lionel’s are much better.

Pete

The new GGD trucks are great.  I have a single 15 year old powered Atlas FM Erie Built pulling its unpowered dummy B unit companion and 11 cars from the recent GGD Olympian Hiawatha rerun perfectly with no complaints.

@Jtrain posted:

Pete,

Does the Lionel set in the new catalog look accurate to the prototype, based on the drawings?

I would have to compare them with the GGD set I have. I don’t think I have individual photos of the prototype cars. Others may though. Calling Mario @CentralFan1976

Pete

I would be interested in a reissue of the 1938 set by GGD.  I'm looking forward to the 1948 12-car set that is about to arrive.  They will look great behind the recent 3rd Rail E7's.

@Jerryrails posted:

Golden Gate Depot aluminum cars are roughly $325-$350 per car actual street price. I know because I have them and I'm getting them. Lionel catalogue list price for the eight car set is approximately $2,000 and the street price will be about 10% less than that. I would buy the GGD cars every time. They are aluminum, prototypically correct, have gorgeous interior detail (painted) with people, and come with the best service in the hobby IMO.

I agree 3rd rail is better but I just did a quick search and the 8 Lionel cars will be around 1550 preorder. The southern crescent 8 car set is 2639 on GGD site right now. The difference will be ~$135 per car. That is significant.

@SuperChief posted:

I agree 3rd rail is better but I just did a quick search and the 8 Lionel cars will be around 1550 preorder. The southern crescent 8 car set is 2639 on GGD site right now. The difference will be ~$135 per car. That is significant.

Where are you seeing the Lionel set for 25% off list price?

@Jtrain posted:

I am surprised GGD has not reissued the 1938/1940 20th Century Limited yet.  It was one of the first sets they made and it had a weight problem.  The cars are very heavy!  The locomotive cannot pull them all.  An updated, lighter, version would be great to see produced.

What are you talking anout? GGD has a second run being delivered soon. Reservations closed in Oct 22 and this run has the smooth ball bearing trucks!

@SuperChief posted:

I agree 3rd rail is better but I just did a quick search and the 8 Lionel cars will be around 1550 preorder. The southern crescent 8 car set is 2639 on GGD site right now. The difference will be ~$135 per car. That is significant.

I have both GGD and Lionel 21" for the "extra $135/car that you claim, you are getting the following from GGD:

Aluminum body

Ball bearing equipped trucks for a smooth ride and less resistance

Accurate car window/door/vestibule configuations

Accurate interiors

Ten figures/car

Details such as correct diaphrams and simulated window frames.

You get what you pay for!

@Norton posted:

Better trucks would help. They are not particularly free rolling. This is one place where Lionel’s are much better.

Pete

Not since GGD installed ball bearing trucks.

I would absolutely buy a new set of GGD 1938 20th century limited cars to go with the Legacy Dreyfuss I will be buying, just as I purchased Daylight cars to go with my vision GS-3.  I find the Lionel 21” passenger cars disappointing for a variety of reasons.   Come on Scott, make my day!

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

What are you talking anout? GGD has a second run being delivered soon. Reservations closed in Oct 22 and this run has the smooth ball bearing trucks!

That is the 1948 set.

@Magicland posted:

Where are you seeing the Lionel set for 25% off list price?

https://nassauhobby.com/produc...-ss-diner-pre-order/

https://nassauhobby.com/produc...21-2-pack-pre-order/

https://nassauhobby.com/produc...21-4-pack-pre-order/

Updated

Legacy Station is even cheaper on cars by $100 for set.

https://www.legacystation.com/...l2023v1pricelist.pdf