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After lengthening train with the new cars I picked up at York, and after the discussion on another thread about keeping PS2 board rectifiers cool under loads, I started wondering about safe continuous pulling capability.  With traction tires, locos don't usually slip under loads, so that a heavy-drag train can cause motor and/or rectifier overheating.  Grades add to the load.  I'm wondering if the loco manufacturers have ever issued any guidance on continuous pulling capability, phrased in terms of drawbar pull????

 

There's no point in posting how many cars you run, because there is a wide variation in dragging force needed and running duration.  I run a mix of modern MTH and ancient (50+ years old) Lionel.  The difference in drag between the two is amazing.  The MTH cars roll by themselves on an imperceptible grade; the Lionel need a very steep grade.

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Hi RJR,

 

You're quite right that referencing pulling power in "cars" is a worthless assessment.  Unfortunately, the best data we have for pulling power estimates comes from magazine articles that sometimes reference some crudely derived (spring scale hooked to the coupler) drawbar measurements.  Such measurements are only given in the most thorough product reviews and are generally not included in the more casual "first impressions" type of article.  Manufacturers, as far as I know, have never published any kind of drawbar performance data.

You find a static drawbar-pull number (X pounds @ Y volts) in many HO engine reviews but I can't recall seeing a published dynamic tractive-effort characterization (drawbar-pull x speed) for any engine in any scale.  

 

Every so often (usually in HO) an operating dynamometer car like the MOW prototypes comes up.  To date every one I've seen has been crudely implemented using the spring method (essentially a fish-scale) that Dave describes.  And I've never seen a dynamometer car that indicates not just drawbar-pull but actual power (scaled Horsepower) which accounts for speed and I think is what many people associate with load capability.

 

As I see it, there are too many variables to come up with a user-friendly number.  Your assessment of differences in car types is a good one.  Then, for example, smoke unit power goes through those same rectifiers and I can't imagine a manufacturer publishing that you lose 5 cars (or whatever) of tractive effort if you turn smoke on!  And practically speaking, I can only imagine the can-of-worms it opens up with MU configurations. If a manufacturer stated a particular engine pulls X cars, does that mean 2 engines can pull 2X cars?

I think Gilly may be on to the right approach, since amperage is what heats a motor.  Question now would be to determine a maximum safe continuous draw for each loco.  And of course, the ammeter reading will include lighting, smoke unit, and PS board power load,

 

An interesting calculation is to determine what is the end load on motor bearings, since that is where, ultimately, all the stress ends.  This involved calculating mechanical advantage (disadvantage) of the wheels (levers), spur gears, worm gear, all of which force the motor shaft forward or back.

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