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Recently, I have purchased 5 clockwork gauge 0 locomotives from a seller in England, and while I am waiting on them to arrive, I have decided to try and Identify them, though I have been having trouble, as a few were repainted. 4 of the locos are Hornby, and one is Bing, I believe. I have been having trouble Identifying 2, the top right, and the top left one. Weeks of research have gone into them, and not a single loco identical to them has come up. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I can provide more photos if necessarys-l1600 [1)s-l1600 [2)s-l1600.

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  • s-l1600 (1): The Bing loco has it's winding-stick thing (sorry i dont know the name for it) in a strange place, I've never seen one like it before
  • s-l1600 (2): The top left Hornby loco has a strange front couple, and I haven't found a similar loco to date
  • s-l1600: Here again the winding mechanism for the Bing locomotive is shown. Most, if not all the bing locos similar to this one have a semi-circle cut out around it, but this one seems to have a pyramind shape around it. Most perplexing
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The two tone job in the lower right corner is the Hornby 2509 Silver Link, made during the late 1930s. It came with a tender and a two car articulated passenger train. The tank loco in the NW corner is definitely a Hornby M-3.  Not sure about the others particularly the guy in the middle with what appears to be a French coupling on the front. Lew SchneiderHornby USA and Mitropa Cars

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TeleDoc posted:

I don't remember the exact website url, but do a google search for "BINNSROAD", and then try searching there.  It is a U.K. website, and has loads of information.  Good luck.

You must mean this one http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/oindex.html
I use it often to scout out smaller O gauge manufacturers.
I'm not sure how sepcific they go into detail, but I'll give them a look

lewrail posted:

The two tone job in the lower right corner is the Hornby 2509 Silver Link, made during the late 1930s. It came with a tender and a two car articulated passenger train. The tank loco in the NW corner is definitely a Hornby M-3.  Not sure about the others particularly the guy in the middle with what appears to be a French coupling on the front. Lew SchneiderHornby USA and Mitropa Cars

About the Hornby M-3, I have yet to find one online with the type of front coupling that this one has. I have searched for weeks now, and nothing quite like it has come up. A far-fetched idea of mine was that it was a prototype, and that could explain it's solid creme color. But that is unlikely, so I will keep searching.

This bing loco can not be found in any catalog. In the Bing UK catalog 1926 and in the Schiffmann collectors guide are only LMS and LNER to found. The black one is in LNWR colour, this was made before 1923, but no catalog with them is known.

Here a picture from UK catalog 1926 and a few pictures of this Loco.

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Arne

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   When you compare your engine pictures with those that ARNE provided the superstructure matches in all details save the inverted V for key clearance (there is the difference in wheel spoke count and shape between your engine and ARNE's example, however, the Schiffmann reference has a photograph of this engine with wheels that appear to match yours). Based on your third photo the inverted V for clearance of the windup key doesn't look to be symmetric which, given the overall condition and the obvious repainting would argue for a home modification by someone way back when.

 I don't have the latest version of the Hornby Gauge O System but a check of the pictures in my book would argue the engine in the lower left is a Hornby No.1 ca 1931.  The picture in the book of the Southern #111 on page 45 of my reference appears to match your engine in all respects save one - I can't tell from your picture nor from the picture in the book the shape of the chassis front.  Your camera angle suggests it is a straight step from the chassis down to the front part of the engine where the buffers are attached but I can't see the side and that aspect of the engine pictured in the book is difficult to determine. 

Robert S. Butler posted:

 I don't have the latest version of the Hornby Gauge O System but a check of the pictures in my book would argue the engine in the lower left is a Hornby No.1 ca 1931.  The picture in the book of the Southern #111 on page 45 of my reference appears to match your engine in all respects save one - I can't tell from your picture nor from the picture in the book the shape of the chassis front.  Your camera angle suggests it is a straight step from the chassis down to the front part of the engine where the buffers are attached but I can't see the side and that aspect of the engine pictured in the book is difficult to determine. 

May I see a picture of the loco in the book?

Ah, okay. All the searching I went through provided examples that had a different coupler, and I assumed it might have either been a modification, like the Bing engine, or a prototype. These are my first overseas engines, most of my collection consists of Lionel, Marx, and American Flyer, mainly the first, so I'm not quite good at identifying. I'll be sure to post more pictures once they arrive, which should either be today or tomorrow. Will update you once they arrive.

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