Recently, I have purchased 5 clockwork gauge 0 locomotives from a seller in England, and while I am waiting on them to arrive, I have decided to try and Identify them, though I have been having trouble, as a few were repainted. 4 of the locos are Hornby, and one is Bing, I believe. I have been having trouble Identifying 2, the top right, and the top left one. Weeks of research have gone into them, and not a single loco identical to them has come up. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I can provide more photos if necessary.
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I don't have a clue, but I like'm!
I don't remember the exact website url, but do a google search for "BINNSROAD", and then try searching there. It is a U.K. website, and has loads of information. Good luck.
The two tone job in the lower right corner is the Hornby 2509 Silver Link, made during the late 1930s. It came with a tender and a two car articulated passenger train. The tank loco in the NW corner is definitely a Hornby M-3. Not sure about the others particularly the guy in the middle with what appears to be a French coupling on the front. Lew Schneider
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TeleDoc posted:I don't remember the exact website url, but do a google search for "BINNSROAD", and then try searching there. It is a U.K. website, and has loads of information. Good luck.
You must mean this one http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/oindex.html
I use it often to scout out smaller O gauge manufacturers.
I'm not sure how sepcific they go into detail, but I'll give them a look
lewrail posted:The two tone job in the lower right corner is the Hornby 2509 Silver Link, made during the late 1930s. It came with a tender and a two car articulated passenger train. The tank loco in the NW corner is definitely a Hornby M-3. Not sure about the others particularly the guy in the middle with what appears to be a French coupling on the front. Lew Schneider
About the Hornby M-3, I have yet to find one online with the type of front coupling that this one has. I have searched for weeks now, and nothing quite like it has come up. A far-fetched idea of mine was that it was a prototype, and that could explain it's solid creme color. But that is unlikely, so I will keep searching.
Steamer posted:I don't have a clue, but I like'm!
Thank you!
The green engine in the upper right hand corner looks like it might be a Bing #4711 for the English market ca 1926-1927
Robert S. Butler posted:The green engine in the upper right hand corner looks like it might be a Bing #4711 for the English market ca 1926-1927
Where have you found that out? I'd be glad to have a resource on hand for this stuff.
It came from the German Schiffmann guide to Bing Trains - it's all in German and most of the book consists of descriptions of variations. There are photo sections which illustrate the main examples of each item.
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Do you have a link to an online pdf, or maybe a store link to where I can purchase this?
If you go over to BookFinder.com, type in the title and indicate the language is German you will get a listing of a number of German booksellers that have this for sale. Below is the https I used to find the listings.
https://www.bookfinder.com/sea...&st=sr&ac=qr
This bing loco can not be found in any catalog. In the Bing UK catalog 1926 and in the Schiffmann collectors guide are only LMS and LNER to found. The black one is in LNWR colour, this was made before 1923, but no catalog with them is known.
Here a picture from UK catalog 1926 and a few pictures of this Loco.
Arne
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As shown in this image, the cutout around the winding mechanism is a circular cutout, again. I have yet to find one with the pyramid cutout like in the one I bought. Also, i believe the loco, as well as a few others in the collection i bought were repainted, which has posed a problem with identification.
When you compare your engine pictures with those that ARNE provided the superstructure matches in all details save the inverted V for key clearance (there is the difference in wheel spoke count and shape between your engine and ARNE's example, however, the Schiffmann reference has a photograph of this engine with wheels that appear to match yours). Based on your third photo the inverted V for clearance of the windup key doesn't look to be symmetric which, given the overall condition and the obvious repainting would argue for a home modification by someone way back when.
I don't have the latest version of the Hornby Gauge O System but a check of the pictures in my book would argue the engine in the lower left is a Hornby No.1 ca 1931. The picture in the book of the Southern #111 on page 45 of my reference appears to match your engine in all respects save one - I can't tell from your picture nor from the picture in the book the shape of the chassis front. Your camera angle suggests it is a straight step from the chassis down to the front part of the engine where the buffers are attached but I can't see the side and that aspect of the engine pictured in the book is difficult to determine.
Robert S. Butler posted:I don't have the latest version of the Hornby Gauge O System but a check of the pictures in my book would argue the engine in the lower left is a Hornby No.1 ca 1931. The picture in the book of the Southern #111 on page 45 of my reference appears to match your engine in all respects save one - I can't tell from your picture nor from the picture in the book the shape of the chassis front. Your camera angle suggests it is a straight step from the chassis down to the front part of the engine where the buffers are attached but I can't see the side and that aspect of the engine pictured in the book is difficult to determine.
May I see a picture of the loco in the book?
It looks like the middle engine is a repainted postwar Hornby M1. It's missing the smokestack but it matches the rest of the M1 configuration - canted steam chest, indented boiler stamping, single hand rail, cab configuration, no bumpers, etc.
The picture is from the Hornby book mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Roo posted:
From what ive seen in the pictures, the original paint might have been green, as you can see the blue paint flaking around the edges of the cab. Other than that, this engine is a perfect match. The only thing I'm still confused about the engine in the top left, with the unique front coupling.
LEWRAIL identified that engine as a Hornby M3. The coupler is just the standard Hornby coupler from the period which is missing the wire latch. Attached is a picture of a Hornby crane car equipped with the complete coupler assembly on either end for comparison.
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Ah, okay. All the searching I went through provided examples that had a different coupler, and I assumed it might have either been a modification, like the Bing engine, or a prototype. These are my first overseas engines, most of my collection consists of Lionel, Marx, and American Flyer, mainly the first, so I'm not quite good at identifying. I'll be sure to post more pictures once they arrive, which should either be today or tomorrow. Will update you once they arrive.