Help with new Layout, Please!

Good Morning Everyone,

I am requesting some help with a layout design. Attached are photos and a rough drawing of the room dimensionally. So this is a blank slate.

I have already started to amass Fastrack items. Only because that's what came with my PE set when I got into this scale. I would like to stay with the O-60 to O-72 for the curves with O-48 on the occasion. The switches I have are mostly O-60's & O-72s, with 2 O-48's.  The engines I have, (MTH SP Daylight and Lionel CSS) like the O-60 and larger, but will navigate O-48 with a lot of swing. Looking at 2 loops of some kind with a rail yard to house the Baby Madison and K-Line Heavyweight passenger cars and small round house area. I'm running TMCC if that helps.

This room was originally my Hot Tub room, hence the power panel next to the window. Then it was my wife's sewing room, until a few days ago when she moved to the back bedroom.

8' slider on the Left and Kitchen window on the right

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Looking the opposite direction from under the hanging plant at dining room French doors

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Standing next to kitchen window looking at the 6' slider.

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Thank you very much. I'm always surprised at the members helpfulness on this site. Any help will be very much appreciated.

Chris

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JAYHAWK500, 

I see you have a rather large area for the layout but also many access points to the room. I don't know how many 60 or 72 inch curves you can use. Are you willing to give up some of the use of the access for a around the room layout? I would look at using the 48" for the most part and maybe have 60" or 72" in the corner of the room where there are blank walls. Remember that you will need access to the track in those areas also. Might consider a layout with walk around access. I needed to do that on my layout, had large area but also access difficulty's. You might want to try laying out track on the floor and get some ideas that way before building benchwork, just a thought.

Ray

Chris, I agree with Ray.  You have the problem he and I too have.  I have a nice former family room to use.  However, once we took into account access to doors and windows and a main walkway through the house from front to back, I am probably only going to be able to make use of half the room.  I hope someone who is better with ideas takes a look at your topic, because I was totally stumped until some Forum members started throwing out ideas.  Please take a look at my topic that is in my signature line to see what I mean about my space.  In a nutshell, I can use one wall and build layout with access on three sides of a short U shape.  The bottom of the U is along the wall.  I'm only getting started to build, so there isn't much useful to you in photographs, just the plans in my topic.

Sorry it taking so long to reply, we're having our wood floors redone and have been displaced to our travel trailer for the next few days.

I'll need access from the French doors to the 6' slider at a minimum. The 8 footer I'm not too worried about. Maybe some sort of bridge structure for that. I'm also not opposed to have a bi-level layout either. If this helps, the French doors are a standard 3'0" doors, so 6' total width. The window is 3' wide.

As a side note...I have my Dad's '48 American Flyer #332  4-8-4 with link couplers (Yep, brass weights). If I could incorporate a loop in for that...I'd be in hog heaven. I have some Gargraves flex track, but mostly American Flyer track. I can add in switches and 'stuff' here and there.

Thanks for the help.

Chris

Maybe you can start with a smaller loop that could become part of a larger layout later?

Say  6' x 10' or 12'. You would get some 60" curves and you can see how your space plays out with access to windows and doors. You can add on as time and money allows.

just a thought.

Sean

 

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DoubleDAZ posted:

Here's a pared down design for bench work to fit the smaller space without access to the 8" sliding door. The curves are O72 and there is at least 30" reach all around. Just food for thought.

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O72/O60 double main on 6" center - O72 crossovers and sidings in front of 8' slider and/or under window

Carl

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Yes, I do like that idea too, Dave!  Carl, the 072/060  sounds great! 

Then an American Flyer loop for Chris' family heirloom would top it off.  

Chris, You are in hog heaven now!  Dave and Carl both looking at your topic!!!  Work with them and you will get a plan that best suits what you want.  I'm just joking calling it an heirloom since I didn't have any family interested in trains, so I saved money to buy t Tyco HO set when I was 12.  My older daughter bought me 2 postwar Lionel sets for Christmas 2013, so I had to wait until I was almost 60 to receive a train for Christmas.  

Moonman posted:
DoubleDAZ posted:

Here's a pared down design for bench work to fit the smaller space without access to the 8" sliding door. The curves are O72 and there is at least 30" reach all around. Just food for thought.

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DING _ DING _ DING _DING - WE HAVE A WINNER!!!  

O72/O60 double main on 6" center - O72 crossovers and sidings in front of 8' slider and/or under window

Mark Boyce posted:

Yes, I do like that idea too, Dave!  Carl, the 072/060  sounds great! 

Then an American Flyer loop for Chris' family heirloom would top it off.  

Chris, You are in hog heaven now!  Dave and Carl both looking at your topic!!!  Work with them and you will get a plan that best suits what you want.  I'm just joking calling it an heirloom since I didn't have any family interested in trains, so I saved money to buy t Tyco HO set when I was 12.  My older daughter bought me 2 postwar Lionel sets for Christmas 2013, so I had to wait until I was almost 60 to receive a train for Christmas.  

DoubleDAZ posted:

Here's another idea with Carl's dual mains; O60 inside/O72 outside, O60/O72 crossovers on the curves, O60 yard, O60 spur and O72 passing siding.

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Gentlemen, Thank you very much. This is totally awesome. Not wanting to be a choosy beggar, Is there room for one more outside loop in "American Flyer" track? We could lose the outside siding in front of the 8' slider. Just a simple loop is fine. Or perhaps around the inside opening of the tables.

This American Flyer set means a lot to me. My dad said I could have it when I was 10...But, the reality was, I didn't get it until I was 50ish, give or take. I've added to it over the years before I went and bought my Lionel PE for Christmas. I have enough Flyer stuff to have a completely different layout. But as we all know...The Boss isn't going to let that happen.

 

Dave,  I'm sure this has been ask many times.  What's the software your running and where can I get a copy?

 Thank you again.

Chris

We're here to help, so asking for changes is all part of the process.

Here's the latest iteration (just the track area) with American Flyer S track added to the outside. Track selection is limited and may require some custom cutting to get things to fit. I didn't snip the tracks so you'd see where they don't connect. The purple rectangles are 2.5" in width and the Yellow ones are 4.5" in width to show center-to-center clearance.

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DoubleDAZ posted:

We're here to help, so asking for changes is all part of the process.

Here's the latest iteration (just the track area) with American Flyer S track added to the outside. Track selection is limited and may require some custom cutting to get things to fit. I didn't snip the tracks so you'd see where they don't connect. The purple rectangles are 2.5" in width and the Yellow ones are 4.5" in width to show center-to-center clearance.

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Thank you so much Dave! So, if I'm reading this correctly, its 2.5" from the center of the Flyer track to the tables edge and 4.5" from the center of the Fastrack to the center of the Flyer track? Yes?

The over laps are no problem, Good area for the flex track, better yet, the whole loop in flex track.

 

 

Chris

That is correct, Jay. Not sure if that’s enough for your equipment, but it’s where I start to see what will fit using sectional track to minimize cutting, especially with FasTrack and the plastic roadbed. I generally prefer more clearance along the edges, especially if there will be small children around. If you like I can try shrinking things to get more clearance from the edges.

DoubleDAZ posted:

That is correct, Jay. Not sure if that’s enough for your equipment, but it’s where I start to see what will fit using sectional track to minimize cutting, especially with FasTrack and the plastic roadbed. I generally prefer more clearance along the edges, especially if there will be small children around. If you like I can try shrinking things to get more clearance from the edges.

I think if you can find a 1/2" to the tables edge that'll work. Not too many little fingers anymore, at least for a few years.

 Also Dave, is there a way of getting table dimensions? I down loaded the free version of SCRAM and I don't know anything about it yet. Thanks

Chris

Here it is. The Purple rectangles are 3" wide and the Yellows are still 4.5". The 2 Red tracks on the left are custom cut American Flyer S tracks. The Red circle is where the FasTrack doesn't connect in the software, but should when assembled. The top, right and bottom sections are all 30" wide. The entry is about 26" wide, but there is nothing magical about that or the surrounding bench work. I simply lined then up on a 6" grid and they can be changed to suit your needs depending on how much space you want for landscaping. FWIW, in the 2nd photo I simply swapped in a yard using O72 switches rather than O60 switches in case you'd prefer that.

As for SCARM, you won't be able to make any changes with the free version because there are more than 100 tracks. You might be able to get a Parts List, but I didn't swap in the longer 30" tracks and can do that if you want.

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Let me toss this idea out there. If you build a swing gate in front of the 6' sliding door (of which only half looks usable) you can add a small yard and turntable. Coming out of the yard, you can add a wye for either direction operation. Add crossovers (or use a Ross double crossover) to connect the two mainlines. This would require the S gauge mainline to be the inner loop.

jayhawk

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