I'm aware of one club and three home 2-rail O-scale layouts in the Cincinnati area.

While they may seem scarce in the Poughkeepsie, NY area, they are a lot easier to find in the northeast than in the Houston, TX area.  I am told there were once many O Scale layouts.  Now, there only seem to be two left.  In one of the largest cities in the country.

@ecd15 posted:

While they may seem scarce in the Poughkeepsie, NY area, they are a lot easier to find in the northeast than in the Houston, TX area.  I am told there were once many O Scale layouts.  Now, there only seem to be two left.  In one of the largest cities in the country.

Are those home layouts or club?  Thanks

@Bob posted:

I'm aware of one club and three home 2-rail O-scale layouts in the Cincinnati area.

Thanks!

I don't know much about them but I do know that a 2 rail club is around St. Louis someplace and they have a nice club layout. I have never visited them in person though.

I know 1 3 rail/2rail club and two home layouts in P'burg and south Bethlehem, PA.

https://youtu.be/_WBVWzOrTmY

@MainLine Steam posted:

As I get further into O Scale I get the impression that VERY few people have 2R HOME Layouts.

There are a good number of folks that simply do not advertise that they are model RR'ers, let alone 2R O scale. Some folks are actually rather private.

2R equipment is much more scarce than 3R.  Within 70 miles of me (Poughkeepsie,NY), I know of 3 Club 2R layouts, but only 1 person who has a home layout.

Not seeing that availability of equipment enters into having a layout; it takes very little equipment to actually have a layout.

I understand the challenges due to size.  It is often pointed out as the reason for the rise of HO post WW2 among scale model railroaders.

Size is also not really relevant either - size is dependent on choices made, not actual need

Please respond if you have a HOME 2R layout, or know of some near where you live.

Yup. In a "huge" 11x16 space,   And, there's at least 5 others in the area that I am aware of although that has decreased a wee bit over the past decade with deaths and relocations.

I am Blessed to have a layout in my finished daylight basement. It's an L shape. 20x12, 18x12 roughly. I have 150 feet of mainline ( 2 mainlines separate,  continuous ) Yard is roughly 4 tracks 6ft long that come together at both ends.

I'm in Coeurd Alene, Idaho. Don't know of any 2railers in Coeurd Alene. Making contact with a fellow in Spokane ( 35mi. West ) that reached out to me last week.

Would like to meet more 2railers if any were to be known.

John

Coeurd Alene, Idaho

@mwb posted:

There are a good number of folks that simply do not advertise that they are model RR'ers, let alone 2R O scale. Some folks are actually rather private.

Not seeing that availability of equipment enters into having a layout; it takes very little equipment to actually have a layout.

Size is also not really relevant either - size is dependent on choices made, not actual need

Yup. In a "huge" 11x16 space,   And, there's at least 5 others in the area that I am aware of although that has decreased a wee bit over the past decade with deaths and relocations.

Thank you for the perspective. You have very valid points.  Starting out in O gauge less than 2 years ago I have been surprised how much more prevalent 3R is versus 2R.  Just trying to "get a better handle on it".

@MainLine Steam posted:

Are those home layouts or club?  Thanks

They are both home layouts.  One is in a two story garage and the other is the second floor of the house.  The layout in the garage is also dual gauge.

@prrhorseshoecurve posted:

I know 1 3 rail/2rail club and two home layouts in P'burg and south Bethlehem, PA.

https://youtu.be/_WBVWzOrTmY

Thanks for the video.  I know what I am going to be doing for the next 1/2 hour.

@Derailed10o posted:

I am Blessed to have a layout in my finished daylight basement. It's an L shape. 20x12, 18x12 roughly. I have 150 feet of mainline ( 2 mainlines separate,  continuous ) Yard is roughly 4 tracks 6ft long that come together at both ends.

I'm in Coeurd Alene, Idaho. Don't know of any 2railers in Coeurd Alene. Making contact with a fellow in Spokane ( 35mi. West ) that reached out to me last week.

Would like to meet more 2railers if any were to be known.

John

Coeurd Alene, Idaho

Sounds like a great layout.  Wish I had the space to do something similar.

@ecd15 posted:

They are both home layouts.  One is in a two story garage and the other is the second floor of the house.  The layout in the garage is also dual gauge.

Thanks Bob for the reply!

I actually personally know 2 people...one lives in Beech Grove, Indiana.  The other in Carmel.  And, I seem to remember that are a few more in central Indiana that I can't recall at the moment.

There are at least four 2-rail home layouts north of Denver, including Jeff MacDonald's High Plaines Route and David Stewart's Appalachian & Ohio. There are more near Denver. Several will host layout tours during the 2023 O Scale National convention.

I'm not aware of any club layouts.

Edited to count another layout.

there are at least 3 of us in Rochester NY , just lost the forth a bit ago Harold Russels. mine is not large for O scale 16 X 30 but will keep me bust for a long time. seems that lots of O scale two railers are lone wolfs so there might be more locals. I know of several in nearby buffalo.

Four known in Colo. On a percapita basis 330 divided by 5 times 66 is 264 nationally? Probably somewhere in the low hunderds of 2 rail O scale layouts. Many more toy train set ups.     

I have one

I know of a few here in the Chicago area, and in nearby (well, relatively speaking) Rockford, Illinois.    Any of you whom have attended the March Meet, will know who I am referring to.    Two are home / club layouts, while the others are home layouts.     Like Martin stated, some are quiet about advertising their layouts to the world.   I am a two railer, no layout, but would love the space for one.    I generally do not advertise my collection, not only for security reasons, but to not have people with a bunch of kiddos from knocking on my doors wanting to look at what I own!    Now don't mark me as a snoot.......  I do not mind sharing my hobby with other serious modelers, but most kids, and some adults, just do not understand the  delicate nature of some of our models.   And like many, I don't desire someone grabbing an expensive Overland brass diesel and knocking parts off with heavy handedness.

Three quarters of my layout is in Maryland and three quarters of it is in Florida. Seriously, the layout is moving and being reconstructed in Florida. There is a really great group of local FL 2 rail 0 scalers and I don't think they are active on the forums. I have not had enough time to participate in FL as much as I'd like yet to get a feel for it, but I am really excited about this. There are some really great 2 rail modelers I associated with in the DC area and some of them don't really participate on the internet.

I know of a couple of 2 railers in Poughkeepsie where I’m from originally as well,…., but they are private folks, and don’t want to be advertised, and they don’t participate on the forum…..ditto on the one I know of in Midlothian Va. ( I work on his locomotives ) …….if I wasn’t so entrenched with so much 3 rail, I’d rip up the track and go 2 rail …probably even p48 …..

Pat

@Engineer-Joe posted:

I have one

I’m jelly of you Joe!….I love your track work and how expansive your layout is!…

Pat

The San Diego Model Railroad Museum has a 2-rail layout as well as a 3-rail layout. We lost the Citrus Empire 2-rail layout at the LA County Fairgrounds back in 2005. There are no 2-rail layouts -- club or personal -- that I know of here in Arizona, though the one I'm working on will support both.

I live in the SF Bay Area.  I am aware of two home 2-rail O scale layouts.  Both layouts are owned by professional layout builders / modelers.  One layout is in a special upstairs room and the other is in an out building behind the house.  There are possibly 2 other 2-rail layouts but I am unsure if they still exist.  The SF Bay Area has lost 3 home layouts during the last decade because of the owners' deaths.  

There are also about ten 2-rail "collectors" in the area.  They have moderate  to large collections of 2-rail equipment but no place to run it.  I am in the small collector category.  

There are 2 large O scale club layouts in the Bay Area.  One is at the Golden Gate Model Railroad Museum in Richmond and the other is at the Alameda Fair Grounds in Pleasanton.  Both club layouts have existed for 50 + years and share space with smaller scale layouts.  NH Joe

Thank you to all that have replied, and those who may still reply.  Again lots of good perspective.

I do understand the privacy issue.  While I participate on this forum, I keep a low profile about this in my neighborhood.  I have the same feelings as mentioned by R Nelson.  While my models are 3R, I have Brass Steam Locos.  My young grandsons can look, but not handle.  I have given them other trains to play with.  If still interested, when they get older, it will be different.

I am sensitive to real or possible privacy wishes of many modelers. Jeff's beautiful craftsmanship has been shown many times in photos and videos posted to these forums. So has the A&O on occasion. I intentionally didn't mention by name a third layout in Northern Colorado (and potentially others) out of respect.

I was once an "unrepentant" lone wolf HO-scale modeler until my first visit to the A&O. David met with me 1:1 and set me up with a long coal drag powered by his Alco C430, with all the coupler slack run-in. When I heard the couplers stretch I was hooked, and subsequently my life changed for the "more" better.

Many readers might be surprised at the number of 2-rail layouts lurking out-of-sight within a short drive of their homes... (I don't have a secret list of them...)

I have a small 14 x 15 2 rail home layout and belong to the Big Bend RR Club which is a 2 rail O scale club with a layout.  There are a few members with 2 rail layouts as well plus at least two other non members that I know that have 2 rail O scale layouts.

I grew up in Sunol. I remember Alameda County Fairgrounds club very well.

@christopher N&W posted:

Three quarters of my layout is in Maryland and three quarters of it is in Florida. Seriously, the layout is moving and being reconstructed in Florida. There is a really great group of local FL 2 rail 0 scalers and I don't think they are active on the forums. I have not had enough time to participate in FL as much as I'd like yet to get a feel for it, but I am really excited about this. There are some really great 2 rail modelers I associated with in the DC area and some of them don't really participate on the internet.

You do not say where in FL you are but there used to be a two-rail modular club in southeast in the FTL, WPB area called FLORIDA ATLANTIC LINES. Unfortunately, most of the members have passed on or moved out of the area. I was a member but left in 2015 to move to SC. The below photo is the last set-up near West Palm that I was associated with:

I am hoping that H was able to take these modules with him when he moved. BTW, that setup ran very well for the duration of the TCA show where we set it up.

I very much enjoyed the Allen Keller video series, though only a handful were of 2-rail O scale layouts, with John Armstrong being the one I remember - what a great man he was. OGR did at least a couple, Louis Hertz and Frank Miller's outstanding layouts. TM has done a couple, I think. The older OGRs from the 80s and 90s featured many 2-rail layouts - I've kept those issues because they're the best articles and photography to this day IMO. I don't know if those guys were master model railroaders, but they sure could design and build great layouts - and their writing was top notch.

Good post!  I’m in the Cincinnati area and have about 1200 sq ft of 2 rail in my basement.  It’s still only in its infancy, but it’s growing!    As Bob B mentioned in the first response, we have a large 2 rail club layout here in Cincinnati as well.  

there are a few of us out there!

Rick

For all of the 2-railers in the thread, would love to see some photos.

Dave

@christopher N&W posted:

Three quarters of my layout is in Maryland and three quarters of it is in Florida. Seriously, the layout is moving and being reconstructed in Florida.

Now just one minisle Chris....3/4 plus 3/4 is 6/4....that's a layout and a half!

ECI

MS,  Probably more than you think. Go on You Tube and search. There are several on there. I'm sure there are some that just don't desire the publicity.

ECI

I have an unfinished 12x14 layout at home. Incomplete largely due to my membership in a very large club layout.

I do. Mine is about 46x26. I also have several (more than 5) friends within an hour of me with 2-rail home layouts. There are quite a few guys in the MD/DC/southeastern PA area with home 2-rail layouts.

I know of two home 2-rail O layouts in central Indiana.  The last time I visited either of them, very little scenery was completed.

A great way to meet other 2-rail hobbyists is to join NMRA and get active by going to meetings, open houses, etc.   

Does a powered 8 foot straight track count?

Why not; it runs trains, right?

Long ago I came to the realization I was never going to have the space (1200 sq feet, geez) for a large layout of any kind.  That being said I have an eight ft by 2 ft O scale switching layout built on 2 inch pink foam.  Older atlas turnouts, atlas flex track, straight DC, two atlas locomotives, a SW and a plymouth plus a bakers dozen weaver cars.  Easily brought out for some fun and easily stored under the 3 rail layout.  I like shelf layouts because they can be completed quickly and offer some operational opportunities without breaking the bank.  My other shelf layout is a 1 x 7 ft HO version of the Gum Stump. 

Over 20 years ago here in central NJ there was a round robin group of 2 railers, I'm not sure if any of the layouts exist to this day but they provided they inspiration to try something.  There is one club in North Jersey and one in South Jersey. 

If you want to look at some videos, here are some shot on my layout and a couple shot on friend's layouts a couple of years ago.

Layout Video Links

Apr 11, 2021

SP Extra 5472 at Walong

Meet at Walong

Layout Tour Part 1

Layout Tour Part 2

Layout Tour Part 3

Apr 23, 2021

New Arrivals

Visitors from the East

May 18, 2021

Chasing Daylight

July 25, 2021

A Day At Bealville - Part 1

A Day At Bealville - Part 2

Layout Tour - Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Part 1
Layout Tour - Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Part 2
Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Operations

Layout Tour - Jerry Guth's SP - Part 1
Layout Tour - Jerry Guth's SP - Part 2
Jerry Guth's SP Layout - Part 1
Jerry Guth's SP Layout - Part 2

There are at least 5 home layouts in SE Michigan plus a club and a store full.

Thanks again to all that have replied.

After reading some of the earlier replies I tried to find information on the percentage of modellers in a particular scale.  When I subscribed to Model Railroader back in the 1990's they would do surveys' to try to get a handle on the number of people in the hobby.  They would publish the results.  Anyhow trying to find up to date information, had no luck.  As I recall at that time it was about 58% HO, 27% N,  and the remaining 15% O, G, S, Z, TT and whatever else (in decreasing order).  This of course was ONLY 2R.  3R was not considered in those figures.  Kalbach separated those out as Toy Trains.  Yes, now I know about 3R Scale items, but at that point being deep in HO, didn't have a clue!  What I don't remember is the club vs private layout data collected.  That was a asked on the survey, and both was an option.

From these responses there are still 2R personnel layouts out there, if you know where to find them!

@Jerry Davis posted:

If you want to look at some videos, here are some shot on my layout and a couple shot on friend's layouts a couple of years ago.

Layout Video Links

Apr 11, 2021

SP Extra 5472 at Walong

Meet at Walong

Layout Tour Part 1

Layout Tour Part 2

Layout Tour Part 3

Apr 23, 2021

New Arrivals

Visitors from the East

May 18, 2021

Chasing Daylight

July 25, 2021

A Day At Bealville - Part 1

A Day At Bealville - Part 2

Layout Tour - Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Part 1
Layout Tour - Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Part 2
Joe Scales' Southern Rwy - Operations

Layout Tour - Jerry Guth's SP - Part 1
Layout Tour - Jerry Guth's SP - Part 2
Jerry Guth's SP Layout - Part 1
Jerry Guth's SP Layout - Part 2

Thanks Jerry I will have a look.  There was a YouTube link listed yesterday and replied, I knew what I would be doing for the next 1/2 hour.  Well that turned into 2 hours.  Don't expect to see me one the Forum for the next week.  LOL

@MainLine Steam posted:

Thanks again to all that have replied.

From these responses there are still 2R personnel layouts out there, if you know where to find them!

I am glad you asked that question and glad you came to that conclusion!   

I also have a 2 rail home layout,  and regularly post on this forum.  (Search  HOW I DID IT...  ). Here are a few photos,. The first two I also put on the currently running GG1 thread:

Faking 2 rail on the Carbondale.

@John Sethian posted:

I am glad you asked that question and glad you came to that conclusion!   

I also have a 2 rail home layout,  and regularly post on this forum.  (Search  HOW I DID IT...  ). Here are a few photos,. The first two I also put on the currently running GG1 thread:

Holy Cow!!!

Using old Real RR photographs and saying they are from your layout just isn't ethical.  I swear I saw the leaves blowing on the trees.  Wait they are still photos, so I guess not.

@Ron H posted:

Faking 2 rail on the Carbondale.

Please elaborate on the track.  That's what I have been looking for.  Thank you.

@MainLine Steam posted:

Please elaborate on the track.  That's what I have been looking for.  Thank you.

Looks like Atlas or Micro Engineering Code 148 with a Code 100 (or smaller) center rail added.

There are 2 good sized O scale 2 rail home layout in Williamsburg, VA.  I've posted photos of my PRR railroad on the forum quite a few times over the years.  This is my 4th O scale layout since converting to O scale from HO in 1971.  Each layout was larger than its predecessor as career advancement (and kids leaving the nest!) made it possible to purchase homes with better basements.  My pre-retirement layout in Fairfax, VA was featured in the March 2000 issue of MR and was open for visits during NMRA and O Scale conventions.  Look for a follow-up article in 2023.

Fairfax layout's Horseshoe Curve - 3 tracks climbing the wrong way.

Williamsburg layout's Horsehoe Curve - this time space allowed for 4 tracks climbing in the right direction.

While not very large or fully completed, my 2 rail Baltimore & New York layout was operational and had some scenery finished as well.

S. Islander

A good way to "find" 2 Rail O Scale layouts is to attend the O Scale National Convention.  I attended the 2018 convention in the DC area (Rockville).  IIRC there were at least a dozen layouts on the tour.

Our 3 Rail club is visiting a 2 Rail O Scale layout in York, PA this evening.

Bob

Thanks for the additional information and suggestions.  You guys have some beautiful Layouts.

2 rail equipment doesn't seem to be that hard to find.  Atlas, MTH, Sunset all offer it new and it pops up on eBay quite often as well.  Thinking about making that switch or maybe having a little of both.  Currently 3 rail.

Southwest suburbs of Chicago

But in reality this is what it is

Thanks again to everyone for the replies and the beautiful photos.  Some truly spectacular layouts.

Since you asked.

Main line and Matt,

My track is code 148 2 rail with an N scale 3rd rail soldered to brads pushed down into the cork road bed. I only did this on the 14 foot straightaways on my pike. The railroad is just a big oval around my third garage. Basically my hobby room . It is airconditioned and heated.

@Purplepapa posted:

Since you asked.

Love the control panel!  No need for fancy electronics in the locos.

BTW when seeing you model ACL, it brought back memories.  I use to live in Janesville WI, Monhart had ACL E3a #501 stored on a track adjacent to the ex-MILW roadhouse there for a few years.  What a beautiful Loco.  He also had a couple of BL-2, not quite so graceful.  The BL-2's actually were being used to pull freight trains in the 1980/90's.  The E3 was only fired up occasionally.

@Ron H posted:

Main line and Matt,

My track is code 148 2 rail with an N scale 3rd rail soldered to brads pushed down into the cork road bed. I only did this on the 14 foot straightaways on my pike. The railroad is just a big oval around my third garage. Basically my hobby room . It is airconditioned and heated.

Thank you Ron for the explanation on how you "made" the track.  So that is what your Thumping comment was based on when I asked about going Deadrail with 3R locomotives and using 2R track.  Now I have to decide whether to do what you did, or go Deadrail.

You center rail "disappears".  A lot of Real RR track has a nice line of oil running down the middle from what the locos and A/C Compressors leave behind.  If anything track was probably a lot dirtier in the steam days.

@RRDOC posted:

A good way to "find" 2 Rail O Scale layouts is to attend the O Scale National Convention.  I attended the 2018 convention in the DC area (Rockville).  IIRC there were at least a dozen layouts on the tour.

Our 3 Rail club is visiting a 2 Rail O Scale layout in York, PA this evening.

Bob

Next summer's O Scale will be in Denver, CO. Should be a great time.

Dick

@MainLine Steam posted:

Thank you Ron for the explanation on how you "made" the track.  So that is what your Thumping comment was based on when I asked about going Deadrail with 3R locomotives and using 2R track.  Now I have to decide whether to do what you did, or go Deadrail.

You center rail "disappears".  A lot of Real RR track has a nice line of oil running down the middle from what the locos and A/C Compressors leave behind.  If anything track was probably a lot dirtier in the steam days.

I should darken the middle of the track a little more.

thanks for the suggestion.

Ron H

I’ve had O scale/Proto48 basement layouts since getting into O scale in 2008, but have had 3 homes/moves since then so have had to start over quite a lot. Most recently I purchased a new home in November. I hope this will be my last move, knock on wood, and planning to build a 40’ x 29’ Proto48 layout. I’ve retained approximately 58’ of modular sections which I’ve had since the beginning and already have them assembled and will permanently install once I get the basement finished. I have the modules on furniture sliders for the interim and will slide into place once the walls are completed.

John

@RRDOC posted:

A good way to "find" 2 Rail O Scale layouts is to attend the O Scale National Convention.  I attended the 2018 convention in the DC area (Rockville).  IIRC there were at least a dozen layouts on the tour.

Our 3 Rail club is visiting a 2 Rail O Scale layout in York, PA this evening.

Bob

In addition, there's NMRA's O-scale SIG:  https://oscalecentral.com/

I have a 13x30 layout that fills the upstairs of my house.  I run 3-rail engines and rolling stock, having converted the engines to BPRC using Deltang-based transmitters and receivers and 9.6 to 12v battery packs, on Code 148 2-rail track now for several years (need to look up when I 1st started it! Oops, it's in my signature line, 2015).  Also used Mianne benchwork to support it all.

I recently started adding scenery, now that I'm sure that the trackwork plan is what I wanted and runs flawlessly, but it's been a slow process, having taking up target shooting and other hobbies.

No recent photos, but here's a couple of the layout once the trackwork (Atlas, Micro-Engineering, and Signature Switch turnouts) was in place and some basic ground cover put down:

The yard above has been graveled over.

And the layout plan, although it's been slightly re-engineered a couple of times where the sidings are located:

My only regrets are:

1) Not doing this sooner and saving some $$$ (originally had DCS and TMCC and 3-rail track, which was basically junked)

2) Not redoing the knee walls and ceiling BEFORE installing the layout.  I despise sheetrock/drywall and want it gone, but the thought of dismantling the layout now does not sit well with me...not sure I could put it back together without having parts left over!!!  If I ever get froggy I may pull it down and install wood planking.

I have been building a "small" 2 rail layout in a 20' x 21' space.  As I wanted a decent mainline run, I made it an over under with a reverse loop for out and back to the yard.  I really wasn’t doing myself any favors with this design.  I like steam so I needed a turntable in the yard.  Then you have the changes in elevation needed to "go over"!  The small size necessitated pretty much all curves and 3 % grades. (do you know how hard it is to get uniform grades on curves). My yard area is straight and level as is my passenger station area.  Did I mention all track and turnouts and crossings are hand laid.

All my locomotives (like most of us I have about 3 times what I need!!!) are brass, many of the older models painted by me.  They are all equipped with sound decoders and many have been remotored. Loggers: 2 2-6-2T, 1 2-6-6-2T 1 2-4-4-2 Little River, a Willamette, a 3 Truck Climax and a Whitcomb Switcher as well as 2 Lee Snover Boxcabs. Mainline steam 1 2-8-0, 2 2-6-0 and 2 4-6-0.

Not going to go into structure construction and unbuilt kits!!!

I have got a few areas of scenery done to give me the motivation to go on.

I really wished I had 2 rail club in my area!  The layout is taking me forever and I’ve now calculated I will be 125 by the time it’s done!

Plugging away,

Peter

I know you got your answers, but I just moved to the Syracuse, NY area and I don't know anyone here with a 2 rail layout.  I went to the one hobbyshop and he looked at me funny when I said I did O scale 2 rail.  When I lived in Savannah, GA I knew one other person that had O scale 2 rail, but he had an HO layout not O scale.

I am planning to start a small 2 rail (switching) layout  in January or February of 2023.  I think I have room for 3-4' x 16'...small but manageable.  Rather have something than keep my trains in the boxes.

Here is a rare one - my friend Larry's TT gauge 2 rail layout: "Friends Layouts" Installment # 8 - a TT Gauge Layout and a Fantastic Pre-War Collection (warrenvillerailroad.com)

Even more interesting, is how many O scale layouts are designed and used for operation?   

I designed mine that way and have held regular operating sessions since about the mid 1990s.     Most of the guys in my round-robin group that operate and have layouts have HO layouts, some quite large.     But the operations are fun regardless of size.    I want 8 people to operate mine, and I very seldom have less that 8 want to come to an op session.

@prrjim posted:

Even more interesting, is how many O scale layouts are designed and used for operation? 

At the time that I built my layout, operations were not a consideration. It's not at all set up for operations.  I'll not be building another layout either.  My interest in operations has come and gone....

David's A&O takes a crew of about 20 for a full operating session. For me that's the best part of the hobby.

Sessions are usually 4+ hours but occasionally one runs for 8, with a lunch break in the middle. Most trains switch freight during their runs.

Dear Fellow OGR 2 Rail O Scalers,

Per the OP request for 2 Rail O Scale layouts I have attached some stills and videos of my 18’x12.5’ layout started in 11/2015.

I utilized mostly commercially made products-Atlas,NCE DCC, Frog juicers ,Woodland Scenics, Mianne benchwork

Trees were hand made as well as most of the buildings .Scenery still a work in progress.

layout was built both genres of model railroading- operations and rail fanning.

Like Marty B stated, mostly rail fanning with my favorite beverage.

a bit of free advise, consider all aspects of the room you put your layout in PRIOR to building it. I am very glad I did, especially the lighting 5K LED!! One of our neighbors thought we were growing medical pot because the garage was so bright !!

Southern New Jersey is the home of the Cherry Valley club just celebrating its 60th year and also at least 4-6 home O Scale 2 rail layouts in the SNJ/ Pa area.

Cherry Valley meets on Tuesday evenings and open for memberships-scale is not important!!

All are welcome to visit my layout, just give me a call or email.

John P Dunn Sr. President

West Hayleyton , Emmaus , and Avery RR

609-432-2871 jdunn8888@comcast.net

I attended the NMRA National Convention in St. Louis.  Two home and one 2-rail club were on the tour schedule.  Here are a few photos.  NH Joe

This is a Missouri Pacific layout that is located in a large attic.  

This is the Big Bend Railroad Club.  It is the oldest model railroad club in the St. Louis area.  The club is located in the old Webster Grove Station.  The club bought the station from the Frisco.

This is a large Rock Island layout that is located in a large basement.  The owner worked for the Rock Island railroad.

@jgtrh62 posted:

I’ve had O scale/Proto48 basement layouts since getting into O scale in 2008, but have had 3 homes/moves since then so have had to start over quite a lot. Most recently I purchased a new home in November. I hope this will be my last move, knock on wood, and planning to build a 40’ x 29’ Proto48 layout. I’ve retained approximately 58’ of modular sections which I’ve had since the beginning and already have them assembled and will permanently install once I get the basement finished. I have the modules on furniture sliders for the interim and will slide into place once the walls are completed.

John

John,

Last time we spoke you were making the move to HO. I'm glad you are back on track, pun intended.

Dave

@luvindemtrains posted:

John,

Last time we spoke you were making the move to HO. I'm glad you are back on track, pun intended.

Dave

Thanks Dave,

you're spot on but just couldn't stay away from O scale/Proto48, although actually never left.

John

I know this much: 2-rail scale home layouts are much more common than 2-rail tinplate O gauge clockwork layouts.  I would be surprised if a half-dozen of those exist in the U.S. 

Back on topic, quite a few years ago I was fortunate to be a guest at a phenomenal 2-rail O gauge home layout in the Kansas City area.  Appalachian coal-hauling railroad with a functional CTC machine and trains operating flawlessly through beautiful scenery.  Very impressive.  Although I concentrate my efforts in a different niche of this hobby, I can certainly appreciate the work that goes into a well-executed layout like that, as well as the other layouts pictured in this thread. 

@Ron H posted:

Main line and Matt,

My track is code 148 2 rail with an N scale 3rd rail soldered to brads pushed down into the cork road bed. I only did this on the 14 foot straightaways on my pike. The railroad is just a big oval around my third garage. Basically my hobby room . It is airconditioned and heated.

Forgot to ask this before.  On the non Straight-aways, what do you have for Track/Switches, and how do you transition to it?

Thank You to everyone that has responded.  I am in awe of the work that has gone into the layouts that you have shown me!

I will be starting a new post soon, looking for advice on moving forward with starting my layout.  I value your opinions!

Response from members on the Tangent news was a very good read on that subject.

This current Home Layout response has been very good as well. Nice to read and see the ideas and pictures that were posted.

Happy New Year

Jim ,

On the other side of the room I transition to the smallest readymade turnouts and track. I forget what code. I did not want to hand build code 148 turnouts. I kind of poofed up the ballast so it is not so obvious to un informed guests. Speaking of guests, it's always the wives that really dig the trains. Not so much their husbands. Pitty.

Ron H

@Ron H posted:

Jim ,

On the other side of the room I transition to the smallest readymade turnouts and track. I forget what code. I did not want to hand build code 148 turnouts. I kind of poofed up the ballast so it is not so obvious to un informed guests. Speaking of guests, it's always the wives that really dig the trains. Not so much their husbands. Pitty.

Ron H

Thanks Ron.  I found there is only a small percentage of guys that like trains.  Way tougher than finding other "Car Guys" to talk with.

Speaking of cars, I drive an 07 Z06 which runs in the 11s on the street on concrete, not on asphalt. It's been my experience most guys that say they like cars and maybe drive a Datsun Z, Miata or something kind of similar are terrified if I give them an acceleration run in the Z06. But , I've been racing for almost 50 years so I'm used to it.

However I wouldn't ride with an inexperienced super car driver.

I’m in Phoenix, AZ and have a floor layout currently. I just graduated college this year so I’ll be looking to get a home soon and join the ranks of the home layout builders! For now here is a video of some MTH 2rl locomotives and mostly converted freight cars.

Bigboy 25, cool trains. Glad to see a young man in the Hobby.

Ron H

I've been able to obtain the turnouts I need, but I'm seriously looking at selling off my ScaleTrax flex and rigid sections and using Micro Engineering Code 148 2-rail track with a "wire" to support my 3-rail locomotives that I can't convert (or maybe switch them to dead rail). I've been converting cars at a rate of about one every other week.

Are there any two rail layouts or clubs in or near Detroit?  I'll be up that way next week for a few days.

@AGHRMatt posted:

"... using Micro Engineering Code 148 2-rail track with a "wire" to support my 3-rail locomotives that I can't convert..."

Please elaborate...🙂

Mark (back) in Oregon

@Strummer posted:

Please elaborate...🙂

Mark (back) in Oregon

Years ago, there was an article in OGR where the author hand laid code 148 track with a code 100 center rail. My thought process is to use commercial code 148 flex and install code 83 rail as a center pickup (blackened using neolube).

An earlier article discussed laying a wire supported on brass wood screws, but I'm not sure about the long term stability of that option. I'd also be concerned that the height would potentially cause the equipment to "ride up" on the wire and cause the wheels to climb out of the track.

Scale Trax is code 192 and I'd need to shim the approach tracks by about 1mm to match the height and elevate the center rail separately.

I will document everything I do regarding the build.

@AGHRMatt posted:

Years ago, there was an article in OGR where the author hand laid code 148 track with a code 100 center rail. My thought process is to use commercial code 148 flex and install code 83 rail as a center pickup (blackened using neolube).

An earlier article discussed laying a wire supported on brass wood screws, but I'm not sure about the long term stability of that option. I'd also be concerned that the height would potentially cause the equipment to "ride up" on the wire and cause the wheels to climb out of the track.

Scale Trax is code 192 and I'd need to shim the approach tracks by about 1mm to match the height and elevate the center rail separately.

I will document everything I do regarding the build.

Keep in mind that when you add the center rail, then you would no longer have a 2-rail layout to post in the 2-rail forum.  In other words, you would need to document it perhaps in the 3-rail scale or layout building/planning forums.

guys...this thread is about 2-rail layouts so please keep the discussion to 2 rails please.  This way those folks that are searching using our (less than perfect) search feature are able to find this thread rather than several threads showing up in their search.  The addition of an "almost invisible center rail using two rail track as a base is great and interesting but should be over on the 3-rail scale or track planning forum(s).  Thanks for your understanding.

I have a 2-rail layout

One of the reason I started this Thread was to find out if 2R Home Layouts (not shelf switching layouts) are practical without needing a huge space.

BigBoy we might be on the same "Track" Pun intended.  That said, I have been also considering what you suggested Matt.  I started a post 3R Blasphemy recently as one idea I had to use 3R equipment on 2R track via dead rail.

So it looks like I may start a tread discussing my quandary.  I will start it under layout planning, since we will be discussing both 2R and 3R options.  That seems like the most appropriate area to me!

@MainLine Steam posted:

One of the reason I started this Thread was to find out if 2R Home Layouts (not shelf switching layouts) are practical without needing a huge space.

You'll have to define "practical",

@mwb posted:

You'll have to define "practical",

If somebody already did it, it must be practical.  I think they would be too embarrassed to post their Layout if the trains keep falling off the track.

In my area, I can count 5 O scale 2 rail layouts right now.    I know of another about 75 miles away.    There are also at least 2  under construction that I am aware of.    There was another large layout, but the builder/owner died a few years ago.   

A question for the administrators: Is the poster who calls himself OGR  (without posting an email or other address) a member of the OGR staff or merely  a troll imposing his narrow definition on this topic? Just asking? Curious minds want to know.

@MainLine Steam posted:

One of the reason I started this Thread was to find out if 2R Home Layouts (not shelf switching layouts) are practical without needing a huge space.

BigBoy we might be on the same "Track" Pun intended.  That said, I have been also considering what you suggested Matt.  I started a post 3R Blasphemy recently as one idea I had to use 3R equipment on 2R track via dead rail.

So it looks like I may start a tread discussing my quandary.  I will start it under layout planning, since we will be discussing both 2R and 3R options.  That seems like the most appropriate area to me!

I will probably catch a little flak for this, but if it can be done in 3RS, it can be done in 2 rail. 

Can you run everything under the sun? Absolutely not. But you can put a layout together and have plenty of entertainment with a reasonable sized space if you're willing to make a few sacrifices.

I have a 2 rail layout. It has a *gasp* 36" minimum radius. I started laying it out in 3 rail and decided to switch it to 2 rail (the pandemic did strange things to people). The space limitations were already set, and it runs perfectly fine.  Its a fictional short line. 4 axle diesels are at home, and a lot of vertical can motor 6 axle diesels will also can run on it without a problem (even an ES44AC, yes, it looks a bit goofy, oh well).  I recognize I cant run huge trains and huge equipment, and its fine by me.  If you're willing to accept whatever limitations you put on yourself, then there isnt any reason why you can't have a 2 rail layout. IMO, the minimum layout size is an 80" circle (36" radius plus overhang). Will that layout be fun? Probably not, but it is "practical" since a train would run.

@Boilermaker1 posted:

I will probably catch a little flak for this, but if it can be done in 3RS, it can be done in 2 rail.

Can you run everything under the sun? Absolutely not. But you can put a layout together and have plenty of entertainment with a reasonable sized space if you're willing to make a few sacrifices.

I have a 2 rail layout. It has a *gasp* 36" minimum radius. I started laying it out in 3 rail and decided to switch it to 2 rail (the pandemic did strange things to people). The space limitations were already set, and it runs perfectly fine.  Its a fictional short line. 4 axle diesels are at home, and a lot of vertical can motor 6 axle diesels will also can run on it without a problem (even an ES44AC, yes, it looks a bit goofy, oh well).  I recognize I cant run huge trains and huge equipment, and its fine by me.  If you're willing to accept whatever limitations you put on yourself, then there isnt any reason why you can't have a 2 rail layout. IMO, the minimum layout size is an 80" circle (36" radius plus overhang). Will that layout be fun? Probably not, but it is "practical" since a train would run.

My "problem" is that I like MainLine Steam Locos.  When I inquired on the forum the consensus was Scale Northern (4-8-4) Locos are happiest on 72" Radius and might run on 60" Radius.  Less than that, some will operate, most probably not.

@OGR posted:

Keep in mind that when you add the center rail, then you would no longer have a 2-rail layout to post in the 2-rail forum.  In other words, you would need to document it perhaps in the 3-rail scale or layout building/planning forums.

True, despite my electrical machinations it would technically be a 3-rail layout.

A reply  to Mainline steam  I started with this before i had the opertunity to build my rr it wasn't much but the enjoyment that i got out of it has no words. 1foot x 16 foot

@marty track posted:

A reply  to Mainline steam  I started with this before i had the opportunity to build my rr it wasn't much but the enjoyment that i got out of it has no words. 1foot x 16 foot

Nice!  It is at a good height for viewing. Thanks for posting!

@modeltrainsparts posted:

A question for the administrators: Is the poster who calls himself OGR  (without posting an email or other address) a member of the OGR staff or merely  a troll imposing his narrow definition on this topic? Just asking? Curious minds want to know.

I have to laugh at this question....sorry.  OGR is the moderator account that is used by several different members of our team.  If I moderate, you will see my avatar and title.  So, nope this is not a troll and by the way, I agree with the statement made by "OGR".  This is the 2-rail forum and not the 2-rail with a third rail forum....  By the way, per our TOS, if a member has a problem with how we moderate or a question, please don't post something like that in a thread rather contact me directly or you can get to any of the moderators by emailing info@ogaugerr.com.

@AGHRMatt posted:

True, despite my electrical machinations it would technically be a 3-rail layout.

And with you being the builder, it will be fantastic!  I read through your posts and I think this would make a great article for the magazine plus I will pay you to submit it!!!

@marty track posted:

A reply  to Mainline steam  I started with this before i had the opertunity to build my rr it wasn't much but the enjoyment that i got out of it has no words. 1foot x 16 foot

Nicely done and detailed.  Lots of possibilities for layouts exist and what you can make of them is up to you, the builder.

Hi, I have a few photos to add, too.

Wow!! Absolutely beautiful.

I was waiting for you Chris. Hope the re-assembled version down south comes out as nice. Which I bet will.

That's fantastic!  Where down south is it moving?

I have a few to add also. Mine is a portable and currently partly set up for use in my photo work.

new scratched structures for my engine shops, roundhouse next. When the time is right after my kids get older I’ll build into a semi permanent space but it will always be able to me moved.

Simply breathtaking, Eric. You are a true artist. 👍

Mark in Oregon

FANTASTIC        SETTIG THE BAR FOR ALL OF US

Sure is a tough act to follow. Magnificent display of craftsmanship. Gives us so many ideas.

Thank you

Great photos Erik.

Chris, the move and reconstruction of the layout is going very well, mostly as planned to this point but a few more trips than expected. The structure is going back together better than expected, really pretty easily. I'll have to take some photos of the process.

Dougklink, the layout is moving to Northeast Florida.

I have to check out for a while and get back to the move. Thanks guys.

@Erik C Lindgren posted:

I have a few to add also. Mine is a portable and currently partly set up for use in my photo work.

new scratched structures for my engine shops, roundhouse next. When the time is right after my kids get older I’ll build into a semi permanent space but it will always be able to me moved.

WOW...WOW...WOW!!

@OGR CEO-PUBLISHER posted:

WOW...WOW...WOW!!

Eric is the MASTER.

Dick

@Dougklink posted:

Are there any two rail layouts or clubs in or near Detroit?  I'll be up that way next week for a few days.

The Detroit Model Railroad Club is a 4,000 sq. ft. O scale 2-rail layout.  Here is a link to their website:  http://dmrrc.org/

NH Joe

wonder where eric found that red tractor?

@wb47 posted:

wonder where eric found that red tractor?

He has a Secret Shrinking Machine.  He would let us know how it works, but then he'd have to kill us!

The one that blows me away is the Scenicruiser!  The photography is impressive too, if I was shooting the pictures, the Green Dumpster across the street would show up in all of them.

Erik and Chris Great Stuff.  All I can say is, Thank you to ALL that have posted and of course.

WOW!

@MainLine Steam posted:

One of the reason I started this Thread was to find out if 2R Home Layouts (not shelf switching layouts) are practical without needing a huge space.

Why the distinction between "home layout" & "shelf switching layout"..??? They are all model railroad layouts, aren't they? Or is it to do with the mindset promoted in the smaller scales that only multi-level basement empires are "proper" layouts worthy of the name?

My 2-rail O layout is 17ft x 8ft, modern Era Short Line (plus my Soo Line stuff which is my other interest) It's a roundy-roundy with 36" radius curves, #6 switches, and train lengths of 5 to 7 cars. A well designed shelf switcher can be as absorbing to run as a 'large' layout - read the blog & books of Lance Mindheim for more information.

My layout is also in England, UK (like me!!) where 2-rail O scale is currently booming, despite the fact our houses are on average much smaller than those in the USA. Perhaps our ready acceptance of Shelf Switcher layouts and their limitations is part of that boom, rather than slowly dying out as 2-rail O seems to be doing on your side of The Pond?

@SundayShunter posted:

Why the distinction between "home layout" & "shelf switching layout"..??? They are all model railroad layouts, aren't they? Or is it to do with the mindset promoted in the smaller scales that only multi-level basement empires are "proper" layouts worthy of the name?

My 2-rail O layout is 17ft x 8ft, modern Era Short Line (plus my Soo Line stuff which is my other interest) It's a roundy-roundy with 36" radius curves, #6 switches, and train lengths of 5 to 7 cars. A well designed shelf switcher can be as absorbing to run as a 'large' layout - read the blog & books of Lance Mindheim for more information.

My layout is also in England, UK (like me!!) where 2-rail O scale is currently booming, despite the fact our houses are on average much smaller than those in the USA. Perhaps our ready acceptance of Shelf Switcher layouts and their limitations is part of that boom, rather than slowly dying out as 2-rail O seems to be doing on your side of The Pond?

Sorry for the mis-communication.  Yes switching Layouts do count as real layouts!  I did not me to disparage in any way.

I didn't say it in this thread but I am moving to O from the HO world.  I have found that I personally prefer "Circuit Running" as opposed to switching operations.   Many would say what I do gets old quickly, but for me when running my trains I don't want to have to think that much.  The white noise generated and watching the train goes round and round relaxes me.  So while maybe not as absorbing, "it is my cup of tea".

And Thank you, it is interesting  you have a 2R circuit layout that works in a 17x8 foot space.  Maybe I should look "across the pond" for inspiration.

@MainLine Steam No worries mate, the written word on it's own can easily be mis-interpreted.

Each to their own, this hobby caters for all sorts. Here's a plan of my 17ft x 8ft layout (not to scale). It's just a single oval, with a siding and diverging branch on one side, which leads round to some industrial spurs behind the 'main' on the other side. There is no hidden staging, "inbound" trains are just staged on the main in front of the spurs, and run round the oval a bit to rack up some miles, maybe while outbound cars are collected from the spurs & brought round to the interchange yard - just the siding & main in reality, but 'yard' sounds grander!!!

The two main types of operation it's designed for is interchange of trains between a Class 1 & my freelance Short Line on the one side, and then switching cars on the spurs the other side. These ops can easily take an hour or two to complete, or I can just run stuff roundy-roundy if I feel like it.

It's actually comparable in proportion to a 'sacred sheet' 8ft x 4ft layout in HO, but I was determined not to overfill it with track. All the track was hand spiked, & switches mostly use Right-O-Way parts, apart from the curved switch frog and two representations of Self-guarding frogs on the industry spurs that I made myself.

It took a couple of years to complete the spiking. I did it in stages so I always had chance to run something during construction. I started with the spurs, worked round to the switch with the main, laid the main in both directions around the room to meet on the other side, and included the switches for the siding, which was laid last of all. Most of it has been ballasted now, but scenic work & plenty of weeds on the 'bad' tracks are still in progress.

Hope that's of interest to everyone.

I have an unfinished O scale 2-rail layout, 12'x16'. There is still much to do! In fact I've just pulled up the temporary track again with a view to laying a good road bed ready for the permanent track.

https://youtu.be/26Df5lJRZn4

@OGR CEO-PUBLISHER posted:

WOW...WOW...WOW!!

Thanks kindly fellas for the nice comments.

Among my regrets in life was not visiting a two rail 0 scale layout. My in-laws lived in River Forest, and had a neighbor that had a two rail layout. I worked for the Hills at their March two-rail O convention, maybe 2003. The neighbor's layout was part of the sponsored tours, but I decided to just go home. Pretty sure that neighbor is deceased now.

During an NMRA event a few months ago, I attended an open house at a local O-scale 2-rail layout.  It was the largest completed O-scale layout I've ever visited in a private home.  Meticulous modeling - several scenes were based on prototype locations.  Unfortunately, the owner was unable to get any of his trains to run.  Note the white gloves visible in the first and last picture. 

My large scale diorama (wouldn't call it a layout) allows me to run scale passenger trains on a highly detailed portion. It also lends itself for some decent shots for digital dioramas.

that is a layout!....a very nice one

More INCREDIBLE Layouts and photography.  I am so glad I started this topic. To all that have posted.

Grantham watched the video, keep pushing ahead.  I am still in the planning stage.  BTW loved the mixed consist, must have been during the VERY early Amtrak days, when they were running Steam Powered Heavyweights.  May 1 1971 err 1951?

LOVE SANTIGOS WORK  AND EVERY ONE WHO IS TRYING TO CREAT A BIT OF THE PAST OR THE PREASENT

With a move on the horizon we've been getting our home ready for the past few months.  However, before that happened I was actively building a Seaboard Air Line O Scale 2-Rail layout depicting Florida in the upstairs portion of our home.  I had designed it so I could also change eras and it could be Santa Fe or Southern Pacific in Southern California as well.

As I've been very industrious throughout my life and I designed the railroad as a large dog bone going down a hallway, through closet, three bedrooms, and across the top of the stairs yet also giving the feeling that you were going somewhere etc.  It was pretty laborious engineering going through walls to make everything look good, though I don't think I will do that again.  In fact one span across a guest bedroom was designed to fold up if we had overnight guests and it worked very well in a couple of tests.   

I also had a Southern Railway switching layout under the loop in one bedroom, but didn't get very far.  And yes, even below that I had a protolanced Florida East Coast in the 1960s (the prototype was destroyed by a hurricane in the early 1930s) in Key West, which did not get very far along either. 

For futures I will definitely go the linear route as I love walking with my train and popping in and out of bedrooms would not have satisfied me long term.  Not to mention guests who were trying to sleep with a 16 car 3 E unit consist of Seaboard's Silver Meteor blasting through in a fury! 

Happy Railroading!

Here’s a couple of pics of mine from the other night.

Here’s a couple of videos of home 2-rail layouts. The first is mine, the next several are friend’s of mine, and the last are the excellent Terry Terrance videos that highlight quite a few home layouts. Well worth the watch.

Mine: https://youtu.be/XcRfqYVhcIU

Friends:

https://youtu.be/zi5-Bagz4qI

https://youtu.be/hISD1OBBPK8

https://youtu.be/zDw-lvR4u74

https://youtu.be/sQ3SJ9lgSq0

Terry’s videos:

https://youtu.be/HAjrZ_t6w28

https://youtu.be/WOTT4et0wFw

I've had a 12' X 34' 2-rail layout in my basement for 20+ years.  The 'Philadelphia & Erie' in Central New Jersey.

@ryanexpresstrains posted:

Here’s a couple of videos of home 2-rail layouts. The first is mine, the next several are friend’s of mine, and the last are the excellent Terry Terrance videos that highlight quite a few home layouts. Well worth the watch.

Mine: https://youtu.be/XcRfqYVhcIU

Friends:

https://youtu.be/zi5-Bagz4qI

https://youtu.be/hISD1OBBPK8

https://youtu.be/zDw-lvR4u74

https://youtu.be/sQ3SJ9lgSq0

Terry’s videos:

https://youtu.be/HAjrZ_t6w28

https://youtu.be/WOTT4et0wFw

Some serious modeling here.  I don't recall seeing any of these in a major magazine - they deserve some ink.

Thanks again to all that have posted.

This thread just keeps growing, with more insights into the "Hidden World" of great Home O 2R Layouts!  It is a great resource and inspiration for those of us planning and dreaming of our own future layouts.

Hope to see this continue to grow!

I just took a break to grab a bite to eat. I spent the last several hours putting in the last of my trackwork. On to scenery now. 16'X47' late New York Central early Penn Central era.

@ryanexpresstrains posted:

Here’s a couple of pics of mine from the other night.

Ryan,

Nice work on these scenes. The first one is kind of "Howard Zanish" and in the second one I really like how you blended the river into the backdrop. That's not always easy to do. Thanks for sharing.

Dave

Here's a treat for everyone. This is the layout of Don Smith. I have been watching this layout for years. I have watched each video no less than 30 times. Not only because of the superb modeling but also because it reminds me of what I saw as a youngster in West Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. I have been asking him for over a year now to do a tour of his layout and I'm so happy he finally did it. The presentation will speak for itself. THIS IS SICK!!!

Dave

@luvindemtrains posted:

Ryan,

Nice work on these scenes. The first one is kind of "Howard Zanish" and in the second one I really like how you blended the river into the backdrop. That's not always easy to do. Thanks for sharing.

Dave

Thanks Dave! Howard is a good friend of mine so I’ve certainly learned some scenery techniques being around him. I’ve still got to add trees, bushes, etc. I appreciate the compliments. I really enjoy doing scenery. It’s one of my favorite parts of the hobby.

Dave, thanks for posting that. Just incredible modeling and detailing. Love the way it goes from rural to city but when viewing the photos it’s a subtle transition where you really can’t see it happening with the view blocks in the layout design. You tend to focus on the scene in front of you. Twenty minutes and I didn’t even need to see a train run to enjoy it.

Years ago I saw a few of his videos and become a fan.  I lucked out as he was selling some weathered cars on eBay. I won one. Not a car I really desired. I do my own weathering and I consider him one of the masters. But it basically was just to study it. It came tagged Industrial Models.

DAVE  !!!     SIGNATURE SECNES ARE FANTASTIC   GREAT MODELING

WE ALL HAVE SIGNATURE SCENES BUT WHAT DOES THE REST OF OUR LAYOUT LOOK LIKE

This is  Probably what most far layouts look like yes or no please reply