Improving the Lionel Phantom Locomotive

nvocc5 posted:

Hi John

The GP-9 electric motor what did you use Postwar or MPC era?

Looks to be an MPC model, I believe the PW didn't have the multi-colored armature windings.  I just got the stripped frame with the motor and truck from Harry Henning, so I didn't actually know what era it was from.  Since the mount was the same and it would be an easy transplant, that was all that I was interested in.  I cleaned it up and gave it new brushes and plopped it in.

If the EL wire does not work out for you and alternative would be Fiber Optic Solid Core Side Glow Cable. It comes in many different sizes. The only thing is it needs an Ultra Bright LED to light it. If the run is long I place one LED at each end to increase the brightness. For single strand I will drill a small hole in the end of the led for mounting the fiber and gluing in place with UV glue then cover the led in shrink wrap. Do not us snips to cut the fiber use a Razor blade or Xacto knife for a clean square cut to get the maximum brightness out of the strand. 

I've considered the side glow cable, but I haven't experimented with it yet.  What I saw was fairly dim, that could have been insufficient lighting, but I wasn't inspired to go further.  I may have to revisit that idea.

What's UV glue?

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NelsonW posted:

Not really a glue but bonding like plastic that is UV activated.

https://www.amazon.com/Bondic-...lastic/dp/B00QU5M4MG

Once you start using this you will find many uses for it. Unlike glue this will not melt the fiber strands.

I forgot about that stuff, I have yet to try it.

Dear John

A quick question about the additional Pullman motor. I have a donor engine which is a Lionel 230 Chesapeake & Ohio Alco Diesel From 1961. According to the Greenberg's repair and Ops Manuel it has a Pullman 2023-100 would that motor work in this application? I am still new at this this and would like to get your opinion on this before I start taking it apart and running into problems.

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Kris

 

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Kris, I can't say for sure if it would work.  I happened to have a motor with an identical mounting plate as was used in the Phantom, so I was certain it would work.  I also used the whole motor and truck from the donor locomotive, so there was no issue of matching gears, etc.  The Phantom side frames had the same type of mount as the donor truck, but they had screws and are not the swaged like the donor.  You can see where I ground the swaged side frames off the donor being careful to preserve the square holes that mounted the Phantom side frames.

The one I "liberated" from the old frame was in a stamped frame, but I confess that I don't know all the in's and out's of the post-war stuff.  I was just happy that it had the exact same style mounting as the Phantom.

John thanks for the reply. I do not want to beat this to death and this part of my honey do and not on the work bench project, yet. Currently I am building the layout once that is done and operation this is the next project. Since I do not have a donor laying around yet, I was wondering if ordered the complete front Pullman motor assembly from Lionel and installed in in the rear would that work?  The cost of a working donor Pullman is about the same price that Lionel wants for new part for the Phantom. Just throwing this out there to see what your thoughts are on this issue.

 

Kris

 

A proud member of the Brotherhood of Carpet Layouts.  Permanent layout scheduled for early Fall 2018. New Home of Phoenix Train Works (Name of Layout)

 

I remember back when I saw this engine in a 2006 Lionel catalog and was very confused. I thought it was an actual real train, so I started searching for a real life one, it wasn't until a few years later I realized not all the trains Lionel makes HAVE to be representations of real life trains. I'm hoping to get he batman one and doing an extensive upgrade on it one day, as I'm a fan of both batman and Lionel so it'd be a great thing to have. I really like the upgrade you've done to yours, it's truly a locomotive of the future! How long will it be before you make it levitate? 

-Mike

Some of you may be familiar with the computer game, Siberia.  It's a great game that requires alot of thinking.  In the game, there is a train.  The Lionel Phantom always remind me of it.

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nvocc5 posted:

John thanks for the reply. I do not want to beat this to death and this part of my honey do and not on the work bench project, yet. Currently I am building the layout once that is done and operation this is the next project. Since I do not have a donor laying around yet, I was wondering if ordered the complete front Pullman motor assembly from Lionel and installed in in the rear would that work?  The cost of a working donor Pullman is about the same price that Lionel wants for new part for the Phantom. Just throwing this out there to see what your thoughts are on this issue.

 

I don't think the complete motor assembly comes with the mounting plate as that was part of the chassis.  If you can get the mounting plate, then you can cut out the chassis for the plate.  The mount for the dummy truck is quite different than the power truck and requires a different hole, and it's also not recessed like the power truck.  In the first post of the thread, the pictures have the mounting plate you need, and I cut out the chassis in the proper shape to accept the motor movement.

Hi John

Thanks for the reply, I do have the mounting plate in the shop. I also found a donor Postwar Pullman. Quick question do you have use a Capacitor Lionel part number 691cnp1001 on the donor motor?

How the moving coming along?

Kris

 

A proud member of the Brotherhood of Carpet Layouts.  Permanent layout scheduled for early Fall 2018. New Home of Phoenix Train Works (Name of Layout)

 

Hi John

Which ERR control do you need for this upgrade buy it now before there all gone.

Kris

 

 

Kris

 

A proud member of the Brotherhood of Carpet Layouts.  Permanent layout scheduled for early Fall 2018. New Home of Phoenix Train Works (Name of Layout)

 

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If you're talking about the Phantom, it would be the AC Commander.  Since they don't have anything like the Phantom sounds, you'll want to retain the chips from your existing RS 2.5 boards for use in the later RS boards.

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