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Took something like 12 years to construct, so I agree with ECR.

BTW when they start trying to "dig" something like this in NY City it isn't the same as when I lived in Southern WI.  When putting in a New High Pressure Natural Gas Pipeline, they just used some Big Backhoes.  Dug a trench, dropped in the pipe, weld the sections together and then backfilled it.

For those that haven't already studied it.  If you want to see something interesting and historical, look up information on when they went subterranean with NY Grand Central Terminal in the early 1900's.

Like drinking from a fire hose.

On one hand, I can tolerate almost anything for a few seconds - that video was no better or worse than many others.  Good points about short videos from @EscapeRocks above.  (BTW, the next short video that was queued up by YT gave me some useful information about woodworking.) 

OTOH, the proliferation of this kind of "information" does nothing to advance discourse regarding serious topics. The video presents a dozen unsubstantiated opinions so fast that it's impossible to examine the merits of each one without investing hours - most people will either accept all of the opinions as gospel or reject them all - neither position promotes greater understanding.  

Was it worth 2 billion in a neighborhood like that?  Definitely   It was an abandoned rail yard that sat dormant for decades .  Its full of office buildings, high end apartments, shops and restaurants now.  NYC made that 2 billion back in taxes in no time.

The questions should be why did it cost so much to extend that line one station in about 12 blocks.  NYC used to build subways for peanuts when it used the system of cut and cover   They used to dig a trench install the subway and cover it up.  In most cases this cant be done anymore   The cost of moving pipes, sewers utilities etc etc prevents cut and cover   Now they go deep and use large boring machines through the bedrock below   Hudson yards was expensive but it was dwarfed by the 4 station of the second ave subway at 4.5 billion  But again the second ave subway is creating a boom along that corridor.  If you look at old pictures of Queens blvd when they were building the subway ( Picture from NYC archives for public viewing and sharing ) do you think they needed it or it was worth it back then


The one that doesnt make sense to me is the LIRR east side access.  Getting rich longislanders to the east side instead of Penn station   That one cost 12.5 billion without any real benefits


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"If NYC is paying the bill without any of my money being used, have at it. Why do I doubt that this is the case?"

If you live outside NY state, it isn't your money being used.  NY State (and particularly NYC) are net providers of federal tax dollars.  In fact, New Yorkers receive less money back from the federal government than paid in as federal taxes when compared with any other state.

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From Wikipedia: 34th Street - Hudson Yards station

Yes the stations cost was about 2 Billion Dollars.

In October 2007, the MTA awarded a $1.145 billion contract to build the tunnels to get the trains in and out of this station. This was NYC largest contract at this time to expand the subway to this station. Put it all together with the cost of the station and construction delays it was over 2 billion dollars. Just as stated in this YT Video.

Yes: When I go to NYC we use the subways. Take the Amtrak from Toledo, Ohio to NYC.

34th Street - Hudson Yards station

Hope to see you out rail-fanning: Gary 🚂


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The plan to replace the tunnels to NJ was shot down by the previous administration because of cost, primarily a cost driven out of sight by union demands that for all other union workers in any job in the country would sound either, 1- Ridiculous, or 2- Good for them.  Yes, it is still dangerous work to build a tunnel in that area, you just don't send a boring machine down there and aim it at NYC in that stew of dirt and mud NYC is built on.  But triple time for working on a holiday is a bit off the mark to me.  The most I ever got was double, and that was because I got my holiday pay, plus a days wage.

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