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Like all of us, I am sure we have probably found at least one item in the new Lionel catalog.  For me, being a Western railroads modeler, it was the Southern Pacific pacific.  But taking a look at it the details killed it for me.  I know the model is generic, but the SP has some defining details.  I can live with most (wrong reverse gear, air tank in the wrong location, etc), but not:

+ marker lights in front of the boiler rather than the sides (that is a UP, not a SP feature which they also

did way back when on the 2-8-0's and which I moved to the sides but never got the lights to work)

+ silvered cylinders

+ grey rather than black paint



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Peter I agree with you on this one.  Too many variations from the prototype to make it worthwhile.  Lionel has been getting better at these customizations over the last several years, but apparently not in this case.  It is a brass hybrid, correct?  Makes the changes even easier to implement. 

Then again it is catalog art which is famously known for not being what gets produced always.  Maybe a word to Lionel to see if they are going to be generic or if there will be road specific modifications?

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Peter I agree with you on this one.  Too many variations from the prototype to make it worthwhile.  Lionel has been getting better at these customizations over the last several years, but apparently not in this case.  It is a brass hybrid, correct?  Makes the changes even easier to implement.

Then again it is catalog art which is famously known for not being what gets produced always.  Maybe a word to Lionel to see if they are going to be generic or if there will be road specific modifications?

Nowhere is it stated the O Scale Pacific's in question are Hybrids.

Rusty

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@PeterA posted:

Like all of us, I am sure we have probably found at least one item in the new Lionel catalog.  For me, being a Western railroads modeler, it was the Southern Pacific pacific.  But taking a look at it the details killed it for me.  I know the model is generic, but the SP has some defining details.  I can live with most (wrong reverse gear, air tank in the wrong location, etc), but not:

+ marker lights in front of the boiler rather than the sides (that is a UP, not a SP feature which they also

did way back when on the 2-8-0's and which I moved to the sides but never got the lights to work)

+ silvered cylinders

+ grey rather than black paint



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These sound like things Ryan / Lionel would be capable of correcting....

Mr. Muffin, thanks for viewing and replying to my concerns.  I do hope Ryan and/or Dave saw this post.  I know Dave responded to a concern I had in last year's catalog - nothing was changed, but he at least had the courtesy of responding.  Let me know if you hear anything good and as soon as you do, there will be an order in your inbox.  On their Facebook posts they continue to promote their ability to customize their locos, but I saw none of that in this run of Pacific's.

Talked with Lionel today. Here's the response:

SP loco will be black.  The silver on the cylinder chests depended on which shop last worked on the loco. We have in service photos of this loco with these so we included it.  They are prototypical.  Relocating the other parts is not practical with this tooling unfortunately. There are some things we can move, some things we can’t.



BTW - regarding the GN locs, they shared: GN locos will have a darker green this go around. No more lima beans. (This is true for both O scale and Flyer Pacific's in this catalog.)

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