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I wanted to thank everyone that was involved in what mat be one of most accurate Commodore Vanderbilts modeled in any scale.  It’s been over five years in the making  

Thank you @harmonyards for the paintwork, driver assembly, headlight fabrication and much more, @Norton for the fumble recovery on the last driver tire, @gunrunnerjohn for the LED light board, Chuff Generator and Super Chuffer, @sdmann for the Cruise Commander, Jeff Kane for the spoked drivers, Frank Timko for the DC can motor conversion, the guy that sold it on eBay that was obviously one of the early castings with few flaws, and more individuals that helped along the way.

Compare to the original: NYC Commodore Vanderbilt #5344

Heavily researched and painstakingly formulated black metal flake “lacquer”, gloss black running gear, silver lettering correctly centered on the driver skirt and in line with the tender lettering, gloss black running gear, scale pilot wheels and added brake beams, 3D printed metal Kadee coupler carrier patterned after the actual tender rear, throttle and grate shaker levers, fireman side feed water pump, NYC Lines plaque just below the headlight hatch, spoked drivers and non-roller rods, engineer side tender truck-mounted ATS shoe, Tang Band speaker with an F0 of 75Hz, laptop speaker in the boiler shell, incandescent headlight bulb with punched & polished reflector, driver inspection lighting, and more.

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There are somethings left to do, tin some wires and move the headlight power lead, replace the driver screws, add the coupler cut lever and some other things.

My sincerest thanks.
- Mario

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@BobbyD posted:

Looks great! Had a chance to get in on the promo tour by Lionel when they were revealing these to dealers. Everyone told them it was the wrong color, that the silver was the lettering color, not the loco color. They said they had original color chips. This shows what might have been. Enjoy it!!

It was @harmonyards that did the research on the original color, which this is probably it. Just like all the photos you see, in low light and overcast lighting, she’s close to black, and when in the light, she’s dark gray and light gray. The more light in the room, the lighter gray.

We all know now Lionel missed the color by a country mile on the first release of the CV, they came closer on the second issue, but the model lacked detail, with solid drivers, color still slightly off, etc….

my paint rep at my automotive shop is an old salt, been working with DuPont since the 1970’s …he has a real knack for digging deep in archives and finding me real odd ball formulas for countless cars, with high degrees of accuracy, ….when I confront him with railroad colors, he jumps at the chance as it’s something interesting for him to enjoy, ……so we worked on researching the exact formula for the CV, and he found it, ….now, like Mario pointed out, it’s a lacquer formula, so cross breeding lacquers into modern day urethanes, & enamels has its own set of challenges. We couldn’t just take a lacquer formula and equate that into urethane, and call it success,…we’ve been down that dirt road a billion times on the automotive side, …..it takes tweaking of the formula to make it look like you want it too,…..so after some test spray outs, my rep suggested we needed to start with a pure black base, and apply the gunmetal over the flashed black base coat, ….that’s when we knew we were on to it,…..the color stated to show signs of a perfect match, …..we put one prototype to market working with Sid from Sid’s Trains, and that’s when Mario got involved with the project,…..” it’s just a touch too light “ ….”just a touch!” Mario suggested some darker spray outs, so I followed suit with his recommendations. Beings the top color is laid on black base, the less top color I shoot, the darker the top color will appear,….the first locomotive I shot received 1 coat Dupont black base, reduced 1-1 for an ultra thin, yet black to hide base over the sealer,…..the top coat color is reduced 1-1 for the first coat, then reversed, 1-2 to achieve what we call “hide” and I can do 3-4, even 5 coats if desired …..in Mario’s case, and this is where it gets funny, …..I’d literally spray one coat of color at a time, and as soon at it flashed, run out into the daylight, and send him  a pic,…first shot, too dark, hit it again,….second, still dark, …third,…close,….do a light, light, coat ……OK STOP!!!!,…..and that’s how Mario’s got painted!!…..Mario knew what he wanted to see, and I’m glad we worked together on this, it’s a mirror image of the B/W photo, …..and for the rest of the NYC purists, we wrote the procedure down for posterity, …..and a repeatable process,..,…I really enjoy working with Mario on these projects, …..he is and remains the walking encyclopedia of all things NYC,…..😁

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

We all know now Lionel missed the color by a country mile on the first release of the CV, they came closer on the second issue, but the model lacked detail, with solid drivers, color still slightly off, etc….

…I really enjoy working with Mario on these projects, …..he is and remains the walking encyclopedia of all things NYC,…..😁

Pat

You’re too kind; I only drive the team bus, it’s you players that hit the home runs.

Every shop in the NYC system touched this locomotive, …..if it weren’t for West Albany Shops ( aka Norton ) we’d be sitting on a flat tire,…..when Mario got his set of spoked drivers, the tires came separately, some assembly required, …..well, one of the tires was cut wrong out the box, and in no way shape or form, was it gonna work,….I was out of material to make a tire, so we called on West Albany, and their lead machinist whipped us up a perfect matching tire,…..pressed on, ready to ride, and we were back in business….

Pat

@harmonyards posted:

Every shop in the NYC system touched this locomotive, …..if it weren’t for West Albany Shops ( aka Norton ) we’d be sitting on a flat tire,…..when Mario got his set of spoked drivers, the tires came separately, some assembly required, …..well, one of the tires was cut wrong out the box, and in no way shape or form, was it gonna work,….I was out of material to make a tire, so we called on West Albany, and their lead machinist whipped us up a perfect matching tire,…..pressed on, ready to ride, and we were back in business….

Pat

So true… touched by many, enjoyed by all.

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- Mario

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I have to mention that the miracle of the paint cannot be underestimated; as Pat details the tortuous process, it’s a multilayer process and there’s primer, a black base coat, followed by 3 to 4 subsequent layers.

Think about that for a second; your car has gone through the same process, yet Pat has done this without hiding a single cast in detail; every seam, every rivet and every line pops! Even the diamond tread on the pilot and steps to the cast in hatch ahead of the bell.

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Thank you all. I appreciate the feedback.

As @harmonyards has mentioned, this could all be duplicated for your own model. I say do it… while you’re in there, swap the dark gray Scullin drivers for black ones.  Perhaps @Norton would be interest in stretching a bunch of metric rods to fit, and then you’ll have a fantastic model of your very own.

- Mario

Yeah, we did ok work, and we made a nice model,…..but when West Albany busts out the rod stretcher, and not only does the math for the stretch, but also does the correct math for the cooling and contraction, …..yeah,…..we look like amateur hour……Pete runs a tight shop!….those guys don’t miss a mark,…..

Pat

Mario, looks fantastic. I know that when I get a chance with Pat, mine will be getting the painted treatment but not sure about the rest of the details. I don't know if I want to make things ultra difficult for Pat even though I know he shines on any challenge. To do both CV's at the same time, I don't want to bug him too much unless he says "it's easy".

Mario, looks fantastic. I know that when I get a chance with Pat, mine will be getting the painted treatment but not sure about the rest of the details. I don't know if I want to make things ultra difficult for Pat even though I know he shines on any challenge. To do both CV's at the same time, I don't want to bug him too much unless he says "it's easy".

Bug him… it’s fun.

Bug him… it’s fun.

I don't think I bug Pat, I do talk to him quite a bit though. Mostly advice about certain things here and there. I am currently not pestering him about projects because his plate is full and I had said I wasn't going to overfill that plate until other projects he was working on were done. I do want to overwork him no do I?

Yes, yes; I know you’ve all been wondering what this fabulous color looks like next to a factory painted Lionel Commodore Vanderbilt passenger car…

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Something of note is just how much the paint changes color, much like a modern color-shift paint, when I move about the subject and chance the incidence angle of the lighting.

Thanks!

- Mario

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Well; we have some good news and some not so good…

First is she was on the track at the club today and once I figured out what the TMCC cab number was, she came to life!

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Now for the not so good; she’ll need some more weight and the chuff isn’t working, so I’ll have to troubleshoot that. I’m assuming it’s just not reading the tach tape.

Stay tuned!

- Mario

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That is absolutely beautiful! I have the 777 CV in its stock form, and I have to admit it's not one of my favorites. The only thing I like about it is the whistle, which I could listen to all day. The only reason I keep it is because it was my Dad's. Seeing this upgrade makes me want to contact Pat and make arrangements for some modifications.

John

That is absolutely beautiful! I have the 777 CV in its stock form, and I have to admit it's not one of my favorites. The only thing I like about it is the whistle, which I could listen to all day. The only reason I keep it is because it was my Dad's. Seeing this upgrade makes me want to contact Pat and make arrangements for some modifications.

John

It's really easy to disassemble; 3 screws for the boiler shell and 6 on the tender, and it lifts right off.  That's really all you need to do it paint...

Thanks!

- Mario

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