@Lou1985 posted:Ugh. I said DCC. What everyone else uses: Beginners guide to Command Control and DCC | National Model Railroad Association (nmra.org)
Okay, it still would be a crazy thing for Lionel to do.
Assuming the prices stay the same (doubt that with Lionel) I would love to see a lot of rail king imperial engines such as sd70ace, es44, a nicer lc+ Berkshire etc.
I certainly hope there will be more to the "rest of the catalog" than was revealed today. Not overwhelmed so far, but not surprised either.
@dkdkrd posted:What a ride!
40 years ago Mike Wolf was portrayed as 'David' in taking on Lionel (Goliath). Even had "Lionel" within the decoration above the family's fireplace, as I recall.
Protected his interests in the courtroom.
Made Union Pacific blink on behalf of the entire spectrum of our hobby's manufacturers.
Always kept his station at the helm...to well-deserved retirement.
Today's announcement is the best punctuation Mike Wolf and his MTH team could have ever had to his legacy. (Oops, pun intended!?)
Was he a "worthy opponent"?.....Just ask Lionel.
KD
I think you have a good sense of this. This is, as you have said, the punctuation mark, the end of the Lionel vs MTH story. Yes, there is still a company called MTH around for the time being and DCS is supposed to be supported for a while longer but the old days are over.
@Csxcellent posted:Assuming the prices stay the same (doubt that with Lionel) I would love to see a lot of rail king imperial engines such as sd70ace, es44, a nicer lc+ Berkshire etc.
If you’ve never experienced sticker shock before, ….you’re fixin to!..
Pat
This is great news. Perhaps we could get some new locos. The GP60/GP60M/GP60B, FP45/F45s, SD7/9, and others are engines I would totally buy. Perhaps Lionel will finally get their old Standard Gauge and O Gauge prewar tinplate tooling back and remake those old classics again. MTH Railking loco models with Legacy would be fantastic. Legacy guys like myself would be able to run big engines on smaller curves.
@Csxcellent posted:Assuming the prices stay the same (doubt that with Lionel) I would love to see a lot of rail king imperial engines such as sd70ace, es44, a nicer lc+ Berkshire etc.
I hope we see a lot of former MTH locomotives with Legacy in the coming years.
@harmonyards posted:If you’ve never experienced sticker shock before, ….you’re fixin to!..
Pat
I am sure you are correct. I am guarding that this catalog or next will have the effects of inflation. However, with Menards now in the game with at least starter engines and atlas upping its game, I don’t think they have a ton of room to go super crazy. However, I am often hopelessly optimistic ( side effect of being an Orioles fan).
@Dylan the Train Man posted:Perhaps Lionel will finally get their old Standard Gauge and O Gauge prewar tinplate tooling back and remake those old classics again.
As a FYI all the standard gauge/tinplate tooling MTH has was owned by Williams. None of it is old prewar Lionel tooling.
@Csxcellent posted:I am sure you are correct. I am guarding that this catalog or next will have the effects of inflation. However, with Menards now in the game with at least starter engines and atlas upping its game, I don’t think they have a ton of room to go super crazy. However, I am often hopelessly optimistic ( side effect of being an Orioles fan).
You're in for quite a shock. Wait till tomorrow 
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@Lou1985 posted:You're in for quite a shock. Wait till tomorrow
Oh, have you already seen the catalog prices? Please share what else is in the catalog!!
@superwarp1 posted:Why is it a game changer? Tooling for stuff MTH has already produced. The only plus is the tooling will be continue to be used but nothing new. Does Lionel get access to MTH factories? That’s the real game changer if so, as Lionel’s current Chinese factory suck.
Amen to that Gary,..
Pat
I’m fairly new. I missed the downfall of Marx, k-line, weavers and Williams. When a new company takes over tooling (I am assuming Lionel will be using their manufacturer). Are there usually issues because of manufacturing inconsistencies? Like, if I buy thousands of dollars worth of Strasburg coaches, are there likely to be bugs. Kind of like for the same reasons you don’t buy a car in its first model year.
I for one find this quite exciting. As a TMCC operating person, I have noted many, many MTH locos that I envied. If Lionel plays this right it will cost me a lot of money...
Jan
I will be very interested to see if this includes and 2 rail offerings? Here's Lionel's opportunity to get back into 2 rail without the development costs. Guess we will find out tomorrow.
@HiramO posted:I for one find this quite exciting. As a TMCC operating person, I have noted many, many MTH locos that I envied. If Lionel plays this right it will cost me a lot of money...
Jan
Same here. I was almost afraid of this happening. 
I’m with Jan... as a Legacy/TMCC operator, I’ve admired some MTH offerings, but I don’t have (or want to add) DCS. So it looks like Atlas will carry on DCS and Lionel will expand it’s Legacy offerings.
The O-gauge train hobby market expanded for a while to a marketplace with too many players; now it is shrinking -- more or less to "the last man standing," Lionel. I'm a Lionel loyalist, so this announcement is good news to me and to my extended family. They will inherit my collection of Lionel trains some day (but not too soon, I hope)!
Mike Mottler LCCA 12394
It would be interesting to see the Z-4000 in the catalog tomorrow.
Wow, this is great news, I’m proud of Lionel taking a Leap of Faith with some of the MTH line of products, tooling, and this will sound far fetched, offer Legacy and down the road make one system run both. Let Legacy and DCS work together. That’s just an idea, and I believe some of the electronic wizards at Lionel or MTH could pull this off. This is good to know. Happy Railroading Everyone, now, back to the Menards saga.
