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After considerable reading and research, I have decided there is no simple answer as to whether our trains are our "toys" or rather sophisticated "models". I have been recently reading about the Swiss firm of Fulgurex, founded by the late Italian Count Antonio Giansanti Coluzzi. Fulgurex, under the passionate leadership of Coluzzi, contracted with some of the world's most precision model makers such as Tenshodo, Samhongsa and Aster, to name just a few, to produce arguably the finest model trains on the planet. The materials were first rate often including brass (nickel plated), steel and chrome components. Most of these models, whether live steam or electric, usually were purchased for display in cases rather than for running, though even with their elaborate and delicate detailing could do so. Most of the world's "toy" trains such as Lionel, American Flyer, Marklin, Bing, LGB and many others were offered as both toys and models to play with and/or operate. My conclusion is the answer to my thread title question is more complex than ever given the technical advances in model and toy train production in our time. Personally, I consider my standard gauge and LGB trains as toys to be played with and entertained by, and that is fine for me. Those exquisite Fulgurex models and others of their ilk have deservedly high price points for their virtually hand made precision products, and are quite simply beyond my ability to possess.

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I don't think the distinction matters at all. It can be whichever fits your personal needs. But that does not mean there is no distinction. If an O gauge model (brass, die-cast or plastic) is too expensive, too fragile, or too rare to risk damage by giving it to a child for play, then it is not a toy. Some pre- and postwar Lionel products come under the category of antiques. Are they still toys? People raise this subject frequently on the Forum. There are other topics that make for more interesting discussion...

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The toy's status can change...the Hafner set under the tree in 1938 is a collectible at York. Yet, it will never be a model. A 3rd Rail articulated will not be found under the tree for a 9 year old, so is no toy.  I do not consider objects designed as toys for children, and can be used as such, models.  If designed for adults, models.  When adults collect toys, the color is GRAY, so our world is very gray.

Depends on the context.  Some model train manufacturers and hobby shops advise model trains aren't toys because (1) they want to make clear that they are not made for rough handling and (2) they don't want small children getting hurt/injured by sharp edges, electrical hazards,  or breaking off and potentially ingesting small detail parts.  

Very interesting comments everyone. Being a collector of tinplate and postwar, a two rail operator, and an occasional high end brass buyer, they are all toys to me. However, more importantly, each one is a memory of a person, time or place. My most valuable piece is the one owned by my Dad or the one my Mom helped me to buy. Someday I hope to create a room of trains all in floor to ceiling dispaly cases and as I spin around on my office chair, I will see nothing but a kaleidoscope of trains. Miketg

We all need recreation, and anything that we don't use for survival is really a toy - golf clubs, hobby cars, firearms that aren't for protection or to put food on the table, etc.  I'm not ashamed to be "playing with toys".  

Unless a model is being used for scientific, business, or educational purposes, it's really a toy.  

MANY THANKS to all for your responses! My trains are, and have always been, my toys regardless of their cost. Never owned a five-figure locomotive and never will, but more power to those that can! :-)

You don't want to haggle more? 

I haven't broken 4 figures yet... counting the change  

I'dve run the Baja 500 in a Model T if I could've afforded it  (I just don't think an old Rolls, Lincoln, Buick, Caddie, Cord, etc, would make it as far )

You know a "Gomez Addams Moment" likely befalls at least some Fulgrex in the name of decadent fun  🙃  If opportunity knocks, I promise to try to limit myself to a lofty roll over into some soft trees or live shrubbery on my castle layout...

.....Ni! 🌳  ..G'night, G'knights

I wouldn't tell anyone who I didn't know well that any of their stuff, not just trains, is toys. Child's plaything, trinket, bauble, paltry and trifling are some examples from Websters that could be interpreted in a negative way. I've visited many layouts during open houses and tours and I've found that simply calling them models or trains covers things pretty well without any unnecessary interpretation or misinterpretation.

I wouldn't tell anyone who I didn't know well that any of their stuff, not just trains, is toys. Child's plaything, trinket, bauble, paltry and trifling are some examples from Websters that could be interpreted in a negative way. I've visited many layouts during open houses and tours and I've found that simply calling them models or trains covers things pretty well without any unnecessary interpretation or misinterpretation.

When visiting with someone, most of us engage in politely allowing or ignoring that person's delusions.  Those who don't do so are rarely invited back.  But this philosophical discussion is not speaking directly to any one individual, and this IS the internet, after all.

My wife sees our money in her own way:

”Any discretionary money used by a man must be for a toy.”

I have two “toy” show cars. And I just bought a daily driver toy: 2020 Dodge Charger Scat Pack Widebody. I love my toys.

I’ve gotten picky with my toy trains and don’t currently see any toys that I “need”. 

A man needs his toys.

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