Since there was some interest expressed in the Williams GP9 pilot thread here, I figured I would post some details of the design for the pilots I'm doing for my SD90. It's an old one and we've been through a lot together, lol, so it's also one of my favorites.

First, a few overall views of the design:

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The blue and gray parts are models of the existing chassis and body shell. Everything else is part of the new assembly. The pilot is intended to be bonded to the body shell, so that the joint can be made seamless, and so that full length handrails can be permanently attached to it (0.040" mounting holes are provided for this). The various air hoses are separate parts, to facilitate painting and weathering. The cut lever is part of the main part and is fixed. The main air hoses are modeled as though they are suspended below the couplers by a chain or lanyard. I figure a bit of thread or tiny chainlink will do here. The MU cable and junction box for the front is a separate part that can be added if desired.

Here is a view of the assembled unit from the underside:

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The coupler mount is a separate part, and is bonded directly to the engine chassis. This does a couple of things. Most importantly, it provides a way to disassemble the engine without having to make any changes to the original parts. It also provides a good load path from the coupler to the chassis - the pilot, plow, and body shell are purely cosmetic and carry no load. The engine can even be run, tested, etc. without the body shell installed, but with the couplers in place.

The pilots are intended to be bonded to the body shell first, and then serve to locate the coupler mounts on the chassis during their bonding, to ensure reliable alignment of everything. No guesswork. You can see the features on the pilot that facilitate this in the pic below.

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Here is what the body shell looks like fully assembled and removed from the engine:

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And here is how it comes apart for maintenance, once everything is installed:

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As far as applicability to other models, the exact model I have is this one: http://mthtrains.com/20-2370-1. It's a 2002 model, but I imagine the newer models probably use the same molds, etc., at least judging from a few of the pics I've looked at. Once the design is truly finalized, I will post detailed dimensions of the parts, so that folks can verify that it will fit their models. Who knows, it may fit other units as well!

So there it is. Comments, suggestions, ideas for tiny-but-cool details to add, whatever - have at it. 

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I really like this, and what an excellent model to do this upgrade to. How much are these going to cost, hoping they are available for re-sale? Thanks!

Jeff Sohn

When you installed the pilot on your Williams engine, what did you use to "bond" it to the chassis/frame?

I like the fact that the couplers are screwed into the frame, because they have to be to pull a sizeable load, or even used in a consist with other powered engines.

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Eric, Looking great!  I thought I recall you saying that the MU, air lines and cut levers are now separate?   Are you thinking you might add a tie or holder for the extra MU hose (yellow) you are showing?  Are you going to add any rivet detail on the lower sheet for the rear pilot?

Thank you,

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Eric, Looking great!  I thought I recall you saying that the MU, air lines and cut levers are now separate?   Are you thinking you might add a tie or holder for the extra MU hose (yellow) you are showing?  Are you going to add any rivet detail on the lower sheet for the rear pilot?

Ah, the fun stuff! Who doesn't love rivets? I added them on the GP9 pilot as sort of a proof of concept, to see how they looked when printed. But when I looked at a bunch of pics for the SD90 pilot, I didn't' see any. For example:

http://www.railpictures.net/im.../5452.1239945437.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/im.../4235.1093403940.jpg

http://www.railpictures.net/im.../3296.1218412585.jpg

So I chose not to add any. I do want to improve the detail on the cut lever mounting, so I may add some bolts or rivets there.

I sort of envisioned the MU cable just lazily draped over the cut lever, rather than secured. But looking at pics again now, all the ones I see are actually tied up in some way, so I may revise that. And I think I will add the retaining bars for the hoses, so the crew can then not use them, as seems to be the standard in those pics, lol.

These pics are also where I got the idea for the spare coupler. But rather than two, I figured my crew had already busted one, so they just had the one spare left.

The detail parts are now separate. My thinking was this would make it easier to detail paint and weather stuff. But maybe that's just my limited painting skills talking...

I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place.

I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea pigs for prototyping. My recollection is that the SD60 and SD45 have the same pilot structure; the SD9 and SD24 are virtually the same locomotive).

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Eric,  Fantastic! I Like the idea of separate details a lot as well as the detail you're building in to these.   Looking forward to working with them.

Thank you,

Mike

This is what I had planned on doing form my all my GP / SD units. Glad to see someone is actually doing it. By the time I get around to that project, chances are I'll be able to buy them on Shapeways!

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Laidoffsick posted:

When you installed the pilot on your Williams engine, what did you use to "bond" it to the chassis/frame?

I like the fact that the couplers are screwed into the frame, because they have to be to pull a sizeable load, or even used in a consist with other powered engines.

Nothing fancy, just gap-filling CA glue. I did prep the surfaces pretty carefully, though - sanded to remove any high spots and to give the surfaces some roughness, followed by an acetone wipe. Stuff is wicked strong with good surface prep.

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AGHRMatt posted:

I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place.

I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea pigs for prototyping. My recollection is that the SD60 and SD45 have the same pilot structure; the SD9 and SD24 are virtually the same locomotive).

Yep, my plan is to throw them up on a Shapeways shop, after I've checked out the finished product myself. It looks like the cost will be about $45 to $55 per set, for the frosted ultra detail acrylic, which worked well for the GP9 set. I still need to set that up, but once I figure it out, I should be able to post pics, detailed dimensions, and so on right on the shop.

Definitely appreciate the offer of some guinea pigs, but it will be be a little while before I get to that point, lol!

Following the thread, so my order for three pairs will probably go in about five minutes after I open the E-mail notification. Keep us posted. Given EMD's habit of re-using existing components, I suspect the pilots will be a close fit for other modern "M" series engines.

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I like this thread ! however I already have most my pilots fixed. Sure could use some help on 3 MTH Genesis.

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Glad to hear the design has the coupler screws going up into the frame. I would be concerned about the load on the plastic alone.

So what is Shapeways Frosted Ultra Detail Acrylic like?  Is it flexible?  Brittle?   I wonder how it would hold up in an accident or derailment, especially since it's bonded to the frame.  Mounting it with screws would allow you to swap out a replacement if it was damaged, where as the glue-mount might be a real mess to do a second time.

I'm not trying to be critical, just wondering what you think seeing as how you've actually done what I've only thought about.

Oh yeah and here's my order...
MTH GP38s and GP40's
MTH SD70M

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I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place.

I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea pigs for prototyping. My recollection is that the SD60 and SD45 have the same pilot structure; the SD9 and SD24 are virtually the same locomotive).

They maybe in real life but there is a difference between the MTH SD9 and SD24 if you look in my thread on the SD24 and the SD45 it will show you what I had to do for a kadee conversion. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...73#61965511445937073  . The MTH RK SD9  pilot is the same for the RK Scale SD45.   The Premier SD45 2/3R is the same pilot used in the Premier 2/3R SD24. The RK use a different powered truck .  The RK coupler mount is farther back then the premier which has the 2/3R powered truck assembly and it is also longer then the RK version. The older Premier SD45/SD9 use the same Powered truck assembly as the RK. So it is important to know the difference between the premier line. For the new premiers SD24/45 (2/3R) and the Older Premier SD24, I would recommend using the 743s. Also if your going to bolt the Kadee mount directly to the frame. You will need to use a plastic draft gear box to keep the coupler isolated from the frame when you screw them down. This will prevent the coupler from frying the components in the event of a derailment and the coupler makes contact with the third rail. .  

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suzukovich posted:
AGHRMatt posted:

I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place.

I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea pigs for prototyping. My recollection is that the SD60 and SD45 have the same pilot structure; the SD9 and SD24 are virtually the same locomotive).

They maybe in real life but there is a difference between the MTH SD9 and SD24 if you look in my thread on the SD24 and the SD45 it will show you what I had to do for a kadee conversion. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...73#61965511445937073  . The MTH RK SD9  pilot is the same for the RK Scale SD45.   The Premier SD45 2/3R is the same pilot used in the Premier 2/3R SD24. The RK use a different powered truck .  The RK coupler mount is farther back then the premier which has the 2/3R powered truck assembly and it is also longer then the RK version. The older Premier SD45/SD9 use the same Powered truck assembly as the RK. So it is important to know the difference between the premier line. For the new premiers SD24/45 (2/3R) and the Older Premier SD24, I would recommend using the 743s. Also if your going to bolt the Kadee mount directly to the frame. You will need to use a plastic draft gear box to keep the coupler isolated from the frame when you screw them down. This will prevent the coupler from frying the components in the event of a derailment and the coupler makes contact with the third rail. .  

Forgot about the updates in the Premier line. Good advice on using plastic coupler boxes with the 3/2 engines. My SD24's are the original Premier and used the same truck blocks as the SD9's.

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Nice job. This needs to be done for every MTH, Lionel, and Atlas diesel IMHO since they won't offer the parts.

-Jonathan

 

Wow! Very nice. I also like your concept for mounting everything. Kudos especially for modeling the actual prototype pilot (unique to the SD 80s and 90s) and not simply fabricating a "full" version of the pilot supplied with the model (a re-used SD 60 pilot).  Consider making the holes for the handrails smaller, maybe 0.20. Some of use finer wire for full handrails, and newer MTH models are closer to that. The modeler can enlarge them if heavier wire is used. I dabble in UP and broke down and bought an SD90/43 from the last run to upgrade, but haven't gotten around to it. This makes it a more appealing project.

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AGHRMatt posted:
suzukovich posted:
AGHRMatt posted:

I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place.

I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea pigs for prototyping. My recollection is that the SD60 and SD45 have the same pilot structure; the SD9 and SD24 are virtually the same locomotive).

They maybe in real life but there is a difference between the MTH SD9 and SD24 if you look in my thread on the SD24 and the SD45 it will show you what I had to do for a kadee conversion. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...73#61965511445937073  . The MTH RK SD9  pilot is the same for the RK Scale SD45.   The Premier SD45 2/3R is the same pilot used in the Premier 2/3R SD24. The RK use a different powered truck .  The RK coupler mount is farther back then the premier which has the 2/3R powered truck assembly and it is also longer then the RK version. The older Premier SD45/SD9 use the same Powered truck assembly as the RK. So it is important to know the difference between the premier line. For the new premiers SD24/45 (2/3R) and the Older Premier SD24, I would recommend using the 743s. Also if your going to bolt the Kadee mount directly to the frame. You will need to use a plastic draft gear box to keep the coupler isolated from the frame when you screw them down. This will prevent the coupler from frying the components in the event of a derailment and the coupler makes contact with the third rail. .  

Forgot about the updates in the Premier line. Good advice on using plastic coupler boxes with the 3/2 engines. My SD24's are the original Premier and used the same truck blocks as the SD9's.

Just updated my thread for older Premier SD24. I also covered the SD9/45 which share the same pilots. To be honest. If he can do MTH SD9s/24/45, Alco C628/630, and GP30/9 that would make life easier.  I defintly like the idea of body mounted Kadees.

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Awesome. 

What I really need are the Lionel ALCo RS-11 and FM H16-44 pilots, with steps... 

The Lionel ones just aren't up to task. I can add my own cut levers. 

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Funny with that I took a look at my Weaver RS11. The pilot turns out although less detailed,  did have a correct pilot as in the above pics.

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Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. I had a little time to play with the model this morning, and I've incorporated most of them, along with a few other tweaks. Here's the latest:

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I also added some real estate on the coupler mount to allow the use of screws in lieu of adhesive, if desired. The mount will have reference marks on it for suggested locations that avoid some features in the original body shell. There is enough room to allow up to five screws.

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I should clarify that the coupler screws do not go all the way through the coupler mount into the chassis. I did not want the position of the coupler to be driven by features on the chassis. Most importantly, with the coupler in the correct position the row of three coupler screws overhangs the edge of the chassis.

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I'm ready to call it done at this point, so I'll let you know in a week or two how it turns out!

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That really came out great.  Thank you for your effort and time.  A lot of work but worth it.. Your defiantly filling a void.   So what's next?

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Eric,

Really great work!     

Definitely looking forward to getting a couple of these to test them out!   Will be waiting to hear/see about your initial results!

I have a couple Indiana Railroad SD9043's!

Thank you,

Mike

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Eric,  As I'm looking at a couple MTH SD40-2's would be great to see new pilots for SD40-2's with this level of detail!  MTH hasn't made these with fixed pilots so the interest level should be fairly high? 

 

Thank you,

Mike

Mike DeBerg posted:

Eric,

Really great work!     

Definitely looking forward to getting a couple of these to test them out!   Will be waiting to hear/see about your initial results!

I have a couple Indiana Railroad SD9043's!

I can hardly wait. I'll be able to do this consist again (sold the hi-rail Bush 41 when I bought the scale-wheeled Proto-3 version):

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Hey, if anyone has the newer SD90 models, could you post a couple pics of the underside and chassis? Here is what mine looks like:

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I noticed as I was taking measurements on my ES44AC that the chassis and shell have features that I assume are there to accommodate mounting of the 2-rail pilot:

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Just curious if the newer SD90 models are set up like that as well.

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I don't know how many of us there are out there but this is very promising!

This might be a nice little side business.  I am waiting for some end cab switcher pilots lol!  These look much better than the spacer, pilot, shell system I made.

Nice work!

Dave

I dont have any ES44s but my Dash 8s and 9s were set up that way. I bought all 3 pwered units as 2 rail but also bought the dummy 3 rail so I had all 4 road numbers. The dummy 3 rail had provisions for a 2 rail pilot but the frame was different and had to be cut as it was too long to attach a spacer and pilot.

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Hi Eric,

Any updates from the first run of these conversion pilots?

Yep, the parts arrived while I was on vacation last week. I haven't had a chance to go over them in detail, but a quick fit check looked promising:

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BTW, if you are ever in the Denver area, be sure to check out the Georgetown Loop Railroad. They have an operating Shay locomotive as well as a few diesels. http://georgetownlooprr.com/

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It looks great. Can't wait until they're available. I'm in for three sets.

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Well, I had a little time over the last couple nights to do a more detailed fit check, and ended up making just a few minor tweaks to the model.

GP9 and ES44AC in progress...

Enjoy,

Eric

 

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AWESOME! Great description and instructions on the page. Is the GP9 you're working on for the MTH locomotives?

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I just read it too.  Great instructions. If your doing MTH GP 9 that will be great. I will need 5 pairs at least.

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Eric,  I have a couple on order now!  Looking forward to them.  Will post photos!   Will be watching for the ES44AC pilots!

Thank you,

Mike

AGHRMatt posted:

AWESOME! Great description and instructions on the page. Is the GP9 you're working on for the MTH locomotives?

suzukovich posted:

I just read it too.  Great instructions. If your doing MTH GP 9 that will be great. I will need 5 pairs at least.

The GP9 I was referring to is the Williams one I posted about in this thread, which I just put the finishing touches on.

I do have an MTH GP7 that I am going to do. I assume that would be the same as a GP9. Will keep you posted...

Eric

 

Mike DeBerg posted:

Eric,  I have a couple on order now!  Looking forward to them.  Will post photos!   Will be watching for the ES44AC pilots!

Cool! Can't wait to see the results!

thor73 posted:
AGHRMatt posted:

AWESOME! Great description and instructions on the page. Is the GP9 you're working on for the MTH locomotives?

suzukovich posted:

I just read it too.  Great instructions. If your doing MTH GP 9 that will be great. I will need 5 pairs at least.

The GP9 I was referring to is the Williams one I posted about in this thread, which I just put the finishing touches on.

I do have an MTH GP7 that I am going to do. I assume that would be the same as a GP9. Will keep you posted...

Eric

 

MTH GP9/7 are one and the same.  Thanks.

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Well Santa Fe never had SD90s but I go buy one just to use those pilots. Holy crap those are nice! 

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Serious help needed here!

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I have no idea what those holes are doing there next to the MU plugs.

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Those holes are for wiring for the ditch lights.  Is that a non-powered unit? They also have generic locations of ditch lights, utilizing those holes for wiring   

Jeff Sohn

Yeah, way oversized holes for wiring the ditchlights.  LOL!  Seems like they routed the led through the hole from the inside out, or just wanted to have the connector plug fit through the hole?

Thank you,

Mike

Well it took me a while, but I finally got around to finishing up the detailing and installation on these things. Here are some pics of the end result:

With Kadee 740s installed:

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This engine is a monster, and has massive overhang on O63 curves, which I use in some spots on my layout. So I will probably run mine with Kadee 746s installed:

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Here is a view of the underside, showing the coupler mount and the interface between it and the pilot:

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And finally, here it is with a car behind it!

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The handrails look rather comical now, I will have to work on those next.

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Thor,

Very, very nice, indeed. Good job on the paint match too. I ordered a set of your parts last week from Shapeways to install on my UP SD90. They should show up any time now. It might be a little while before I find the spare time to prep, paint and install the parts, but I'm looking forward to the project. Thank you for all your efforts and sharing them with us.

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That came out great.    What's next?

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Those look GREAT! Just wondering how many different engines you have done this for?

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Man. That is awesome! Wanna buy a SD90 just to convert. Any chance of making these for the Lionel GP30? Or atlas units? And I am willing to send send you one of my locos if needed to use.

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Rich Montague posted:

Thor,

Very, very nice, indeed. Good job on the paint match too. I ordered a set of your parts last week from Shapeways to install on my UP SD90. They should show up any time now. It might be a little while before I find the spare time to prep, paint and install the parts, but I'm looking forward to the project. Thank you for all your efforts and sharing them with us.

RM

Cool, looking forward to seeing how they turn out!

The paint match was dumb luck - Vallejo Model Air Olive Green turned out to be pretty much spot on.

suzukovich posted:

That came out great.    What's next?

The design of the ES44 parts is mostly done, just need to find a few more hours...

mike g. posted:

Those look GREAT! Just wondering how many different engines you have done this for?

So far, the MTH SD90 And the Williams GP9



Working on the design for an MTH ES44. Others to follow will include an SD45 and GP7.

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theteejmiester posted:

Man. That is awesome! Wanna buy a SD90 just to convert. Any chance of making these for the Lionel GP30? Or atlas units? And I am willing to send send you one of my locos if needed to use.

Thanks for the offer, heh! The design process is pretty time consuming, so for now, I am focusing on engines that I own. After that, I suppose anything is possible.

For those that want to install correct lower handrails might want to consider a second version with the holes in the connect location on the pilot to attach them.

Laidoffsick posted:

Probably easier to just drill the holes yourself since the pilot itself doesnt have any holes. 

Agreed. Having seen some early 2-railed hi-rail locomotives, the regular handrails don't look that bad as they're still "reachable". Also, on some of them, the bends in the hand rails were such that if you could unbend them without breaking them, they'd be pretty close to the correct length -- you'd need to drill the holes yourself.

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Any further progress on those new products.  I would like to add the MTH SD40-2 and SD70ACe, especially the SD40-2 since there isn't a scale wheels version of that loco!

 

Thank you,

Mike

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Hi Mike, sorry for going AWOL for so long, got a little busy with the  holidays, aftermath, etc. (and another model train project as well, more on that later...   )

The ES44 pilot design is mostly done, I just need to check some key dimensions and I think it's ready to go. I'll try to get a Shapeways page up for it in the next couple weeks. The SD45 will be next.

Any pics of your models with the SD90 pilots?

The ES44 pilot design is mostly done, I just need to check some key dimensions and I think it's ready to go. I'll try to get a Shapeways page up for it in the next couple weeks. The SD45 will be next.

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AGHRMatt posted:

Do you think the ES44 pilots would fit an AC4400?

Matt,

The MTH scale-wheel models use the same pilot part as (unfortunately) does the Dash 8-40CW. So I would guess whatever Thor is cooking up should work for all three.

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thor73 posted:

Hi Mike, sorry for going AWOL for so long, got a little busy with the  holidays, aftermath, etc. (and another model train project as well, more on that later...   )

The ES44 pilot design is mostly done, I just need to check some key dimensions and I think it's ready to go. I'll try to get a Shapeways page up for it in the next couple weeks. The SD45 will be next.

Any pics of your models with the SD90 pilots?

No worries. Let me see what I can dig up.   I really am looking forward to the ES44, SD40-2, and SD70ACe/M-2 pilots! hint, hint!  I have far more of these locomotives that could really use a makeover!

Thank you,

Mike

I will say that the resolution of printers has come leaps and bounds in the last few years.

Is there the possibility of making the plows for this one and the ES44 available separately?

Steve

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L & N posted:

Is there the possibility of making the plows for this one and the ES44 available separately?

Steve

Yeah, I've thought about doing that, in case of breakage or whatever. When I get a chance to generate some new files, I'll see if i can throw them up on the pages as an option or something. I will probably include all the detail parts as well, so it would be everything except the pilots and coupler mounts.

Steve, I have uploaded the detail parts for the ES44 kit, so those are now available.

The SD90 design is a little different (plow is integral to the pilot, for one), so I need to make some updates to that one before it's ready.

 

Just finished the updates to this one, so that it's similar to the more recent ones I've done, with the plow and detail parts separate from the pilots. So it's a little more flexible for customizing or repairs.  The finished appearance is identical to the previous version.

The complete set now looks like this:

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Awesome!  Great job on the updates!  Are the SD40-2's and SD70M-2/ACe's in the backlog?   Since this model doesn't have a fixed pilot option, would open up some options for 3RS and 2R modelers.

 

 

Thank you,

Mike

Mike DeBerg posted:

Awesome!  Great job on the updates!  Are the SD40-2's and SD70M-2/ACe's in the backlog?   Since this model doesn't have a fixed pilot option, would open up some options for 3RS and 2R modelers.

Well, I don't have nearly the extensive collection most of you guys have, lol - I've actually now done the pilots I need for my diesels.

Are those models not the same as, or similar enough, to the SD45 or SD90 to use those parts? The models may be the same, even if the prototypes differ. For example, my SD45 even says 'SD40-2R' on the cab.

 I do still have an Alco S2 I'm going to do at some point, but beyond that, it may be a while. 

Sounds like an opportunity to expand your diesel fleet!    Seriously I would be happy to send you a locomotive for prototyping, measurements, etc.

When I first purchased the pilots for the SD90 they did not fit the SD70ACe/M-2, will have to check the SD45 pilot, but think it will be different enough that the SD40-2 will need it's own pilot.

Thank you,

Mike

Mike DeBerg posted:

Sounds like an opportunity to expand your diesel fleet!    Seriously I would be happy to send you a locomotive for prototyping, measurements, etc.

When I first purchased the pilots for the SD90 they did not fit the SD70ACe/M-2, will have to check the SD45 pilot, but think it will be different enough that the SD40-2 will need it's own pilot.

The 90 and the 70 pilots are shaped different. I think that's where MTH may have made an error at first or knew this? I bet they learned it fast. They made a modern GE pilot and a modern EMD pilot. The models are different. I took plastic versions, mounted them, and ignored this.

I'm not sure if that's why they did not release some diesels in 2 rail versions that did have 3/2 trucks and pilot mounts?? They would need to invest in fixed pilot molds for each model that is different? This method of custom pilots for each model is the way to go for pickier (concerning) customers.

BTW maybe the MTH 2 rail plow is the same for all the models too?

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