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As one of the few (only?) purely conventional items in the entire catalog, they caught my eye. That, and the historical value.

Not sure what to say about price. Without knowing any solid figures yet, with that MSRP it's going to come in at about $850 to $899 or so with dealers like Charles Ro and some others.

A bit of dough for sure. I'll have to ponder this one which is my normal routine. I always sleep on the new catalog for a few weeks leading up to the preorder dates.

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I probably would get one if I was 10 years younger and had 40% fewer trains already.  Glad they are making these. I think they'll sell some.  There are people for whom $1,000 isn't a lot of money, hard as that is for many of us to believe.  Not everyone's cup of tea, but then again, I like the Area 51 set, and that's definitely not everyone's cup of tea.  Enjoy whichever...

I think they look beautiful; and, as a matter of raw aesthetics, the John Bull was always the heritage unit that I admired the most.  But it doesn't have smoke, doesn't have sound, doesn't have digital control - the issue for me is whether I have the room to display what is basically a piece of small art.  Since the passenger cars now come bundled with the engine (unlike last time, when they were sold separately), I wish Lionel had spread out Legacy controls and speakers in the passenger cars with a tether to the engine.  It's not like any of these items have knuckle couplers, they'll always be running only with each other, so if you treat the full train as one unit there's actually more than enough space in there for Legacy and sound.

I do admire Lionel for dreaming up the Pennsy flatcar version.  And I think the Uncle Sam version looks great too (navy blue and gold are always a great color scheme).

I wish it had TMCC on board, but it might be too small for the package. Either way I'm still getting one. lol.

I'm sure at least the ERR Mini Commander II could be stuffed into one of those.   Sound might be a wild card...  I'm thinking on the Uncle Sam version if I were to jump.  Disappointing for that money they didn't at least do LC+ 2.0 in them.

I'm on the fence.  I really love these older steam, but lack of command is killing me.  Sounds isn't that much of a deal breaker, but command is putting me over the edge.  I was hoping to run it in a train with the brass hybrid 4-4-0's.  I still might get one and add DCC as I know those boards are small enough to fit, and will add sound too (Yes, I run 3R DCC at home.).

@AlanRail posted:

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I also hope Lionel re-releases those other 3 sets too again (Top right and the 2 trains on the 2nd row.).

ERR upgrade would not be a problem. Just put it in one of the passenger cars. Then run 4 wires out of the the car. Two to the tender for a speaker and two to the engine for the motor. No smoke though. Probably need some sort of simulated chuff Like maybe one of John’s chuff switches on a passenger wheel but calibrated against the engine driver.

That said, someone has to explain to me why Bachmann can produce an On30 set with engine, tender, 3 passenger cars, track and a power pack and sell it for $300. They must be losing money hand over fist.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bachm...e:g:7CEAAOSwDyldWHuT

Pete

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@Norton posted:
That said, someone has to explain to me why Bachmann can produce an On30 set with engine, tender, 3 passenger cars, track and a power pack and sell it for $300. They must be losing money hand over fist.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Bachm...e:g:7CEAAOSwDyldWHuT

Easy, there have been 100 times more of the Bachmann set made vs the Lionel set.  The tooling is all paid for as well as all the development time.  It's all profit now minus materials and shipping.

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