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Hi all - glad to find this forum.

Other than running a loop around the Christmas tree over the past few years, I am pretty new to model railroading.  Growing up, my dad had a pretty decent setup in our basement, but that lasted until I was about 8, and I’ve now inherited some of his small collection.

I’m looking for some help in coming up with a layout.  I’ve built an 8'x10' table with a 2’x2’ hole in the center so I can either operate stuff in the setup or just to reach things.  I am thinking of trying to run three trains in this setup: 1) the NYC Empire State Express, 2) a 2056 engine and tender with 4 Pennsylvania passenger cars (and a caboose if I can find one), and finally 3) a cargo train with 3 boxcars and a Sunoco oil car, pulled by an engine I don’t yet have (I’d like a modern-looking diesel, like an A-B unit).

In terms of yard activity and scenery, I don’t have a whole lot (BUT, my son is going to also put his lego train together and will build some scenery if needed).  I do have the Lionel no. 456 Coal Ramp Set with hopper car, two trestle sets, a trestle bridge, some lights, a mountain tunnel and a little watchman house (activated by the train passing, with the man coming out).  I will likely need to make room also for the old milk bottle car and setup that my dad still has, with the milk jugs getting loaded and unloaded i think, as well as the barrel loader set, which I'm going to buy on craigslist this week.

The trains are all on the older side, so I guess I have whatever track radius is more “original” to Lionel (maybe that is O27?)  I can easily buy more track, but am not looking to spend a bunch of money – perhaps some basic scenery materials, additional lumber to do some elevation, and a third engine.

My big question is really just if an 8x10 layout can handle those three trains without being too crowded?

It seems there are a lot of resources for layouts here and on other sites to peruse, but with that list of trains and materials, are there any obvious things I should or should not do?  Are there “standard” or basic layouts for three trains on a table this size?

Thanks so much for your help!

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  • train 1: empire state set
  • train 2: 2x trestle sets, coal ramp and dump set
  • train 3: PA passenger cars
  • train 4: station platform, lionelville station, watchman/flagman
  • train 5: box cars
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Sal G.

Consider adopting Lionel "O" track; it has a higher profile than O27 and its minimum radius is O31 --  with wider radii available. I predict you'll appreciate O31 curves and switches because most trains can negotiate that curvature. However, O27 may be "too tight" a curvature for many trains.

Perhaps -- like many hobbyists -- your interest in the hobby may grow in the future to include larger-sized trains that require even larger curvatures:  Lionel FasTrak is available with O36, O48,  O60, O72 (and wider) sizes.

If confession is good for the soul ...
I acquired Lionel trains that require O48 curves and switches, but my latest layout could only accommodate O42 track and switches because of the size of the train room.  I can't run those trains, but they are placed on display shelves. The only solution -- build an addition to the house! Nautically-oriented guys will understand this syndrome after building a boat in the basement and then realizing it's too big to fit through the basement exit door.  Moral of the story: when starting out, practical limits of space (and funds) may dominate one's thinking; but years later, bigger dreams will naturally emerge. Plan ahead!

Carry on, regardless ...

Mike Mottler    LCCA 12394
mottlerm@gmail.com

I have several pictures I would like to post for members that are interested in tubular track floor layouts.

They are on  my cell phone and I do not know how to post them They are not videos.

Try sending a couple of photo's on your phone to your e-mail address. Then, on your computer, open the e-mail and download/save the photo's to your desktop. 

Then log on to the Forum and Add Reply to whatever thread you want and click on Add Attachments before you post your Reply and you can "browse" to the photo's on your computer desktop. Click on the photo want to post and it will load into your Reply. You can attach as many photo's as you want up to the maximum file size on the Forum. Then hit Post Reply. 

Thanks for the feedback so far all - 

After closer research, it seems I actually have the O size track, so that seems generally positive.

BigKid, I think I will go multilevel, that would be fun.

Richie C. - I have the big ZW transformer, though I could certainly get my hands another smaller one from my dad.

BurkusCircus52, if you were really willing to mock something up for a newbie like me that would be amazing.  You should know that I am now also going to be able have the Barrel Loader set as well as the Cattle Car set, so I would include those if I could.

Appreciate all the feedback - I will post photos as I progress!

 

@bigkid posted:

On a smaller layout like that, one way is to go multi level. It may not be possible to connect the levels, but you could have an elevated branch with the 2 others on the main level. 

Yes.  Not hard to do.

I have about 130 sq.ft. of layout in a 10'x12' room.  Check out the benchwork builder Mianne who makes excellent benchwork - and he can do multi-level as he did for me.  You can do what you want with the two levels - be as creative as you can be.  It's fun.

Here's the two ideas I came up with. I can do more if needed, or modify some of the plans if you have ideas. This is also the first time I've worked with tubular track, so sorry if there's any geometry problems.

Here's the first idea, with a pair of wide-radius outside tracks and a reverse loop plan on the inside.

BCS52.8x10

And here's a plan with a similar outside plan, but an elevated upper level. the track in red goes up at a 3.7% grade, which is a bit steep, but most trains should manage. Ran out of track to finish the O-72 loop (SCARM has a 100-piece limit), but just O-72 corners and a 40-inch piece finishes it off.

BCS52.8x10.v2

Let me know if you have any suggestions for edits, but this should be a good starting point.

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