Legacy 2-8-0 Consolidations

Charles Ros website says an eta of 9/10/22.

If that holds true. They should start reaching buyers by the end of September beginning of October.

You have to wait until September and see if dealers push back the eta.

Yesterday I received an email from MrMuffins Trains that payment is due for my 2-8-0.

Have they hit stores yet? Cant wait to see them.

I talked to Ryan Kunkle from Lionel this past Tuesday they arrived at Lionel so they will be shipping out this coming week or the next if they haven't already started shipping.

Just a heads up I got an invoice from Trainworld so I assume they're here since they charged me.

I think I saw that Pat's Trains got their NKP and B&O custom runs in, so the rest shouldn't be far behind. Waiting on my Maine Central from Charles Ro.

Here is the Nassau Hobby 2-8-0 for your viewing pleasure.

I'll wait to see a video running in Legacy control before I pull the trigger.

Not mine....Found this on YouTube

https://youtu.be/HN63m2VYo-U

I received my Santa Fe 2-8-0 today from Charles Ro. Opened the box to check for damage (none!) is all I had time for but I sure like the look of it.

It is my first Legacy steam engine so looking forward to seeing it in action.

@Oman posted:

I'll wait to see a video running in Legacy control before I pull the trigger.

I'm perfectly happy with my H10 2-8-0 from a couple years ago.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'm perfectly happy with my H10 2-8-0 from a couple years ago.

John

That was then. I've been bit twice by Lionel in the last few years. One was a steam switcher with a quasi Legacy (BMC?) install. It was reported that it ran fast. The other was a steam locomotive that was so bad that Lionel sent all back to China for rework. I sent mine back too late, so it wasn't repaired. I didn't have any financial loss on either of these, but I'm not risking it again. I left both of those failures in boxes, unpacked, until I knew they were good and they were not.

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I'm perfectly happy with my H10 2-8-0 from a couple years ago.

But....have you shimmed that gear on the secondary shaft??😐

I spoke to Pat (Patrick’s Trains, Wheeling West Virginia) a few hours ago today and the B&O 2-8-0 Consolidation is there, I paid the bill and he will be shipping soon. I’m excited and hope this locomotive works on arrival. Happy Railroading Everyone

@RickO posted:

But....have you shimmed that gear on the secondary shaft??😐

I just double-head them to minimize the wear.

@Soo Line posted:

Not mine....Found this on YouTube

https://youtu.be/HN63m2VYo-U

Oh goody, another 19th-century steamer with a radio in the cab

@Cheap&NothingWasted posted:

Oh goody, another 19th-century steamer with a radio in the cab

The engineer has a walkie-talkie.

@Soo Line posted:

Not mine....Found this on YouTube

https://youtu.be/HN63m2VYo-U

Watched this video. Thanks to Soo Line for posting.  Looks like not only is there a flickering firebox glow, but it also causes flickering of the tender back up light. I also, and maybe it’s not as noticeable in person as on this video, noticed the overly bright front marker lights made the loco more look more like an approaching UFO than a steam train. My .02

The flickering of the taillight is an artifact of the video process, you don't really see that in person.

got mine yesterday from Charles Ro!  My first Legacy engine, really nice.

https://youtu.be/lHRsv36O0o8

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

got mine yesterday from Charles Ro!  My first Legacy engine, really nice.

https://youtu.be/lHRsv36O0o8

Looks good!  Nice video and layout.

PLEASE tell me someone was whispering while you made the video, and it wasn’t voices in my head 😃

My preordered Maine Central #519 arrived yesterday from Charles Ro.

@jrose609 posted:

Looks good!  Nice video and layout.

PLEASE tell me someone was whispering while you made the video, and it wasn’t voices in my head 😃

This is my first Legacy engine and I am hooked.  The quality and detail on this engine is amazing compared to my LC+ 2.0 stuff.  Already planning on how I can save up for my next one!

Any news on the Grand Canyon 2-8-0/ set?

My new 2-8-0. I may re-letter this for Erie. Adding a few details and a little paint work perhaps…

Tom

@Krieglok posted:

My new 2-8-0. I may re-letter this for Erie. Adding a few details and a little paint work perhaps…

Tom

                                    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!   sacrilege!…

Pat  

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I just double-head them to minimize the wear.

Great idea!….so both will get to skipping teeth at the same time!….you’ll avoid the drawn out affair of one at a time ……😝😝😝😝😝😝

Pat

Here is my 2-8-0 Legacy Station special run Southern 630

And the C&O version:

To you fellows showing pictures of your new. Legacy 2-8-0 Steamers, @PeterC, the Maine Cental looks beautifully and colorfully and realistically decorated, @jstraw124, I love the C&O, nicely realistically decorated, @Krieglok, your New York Central is nicely realistically decorated to.  These beautiful made realistic smaller steamers, Lionel says they operate on 031 circles so should be excellent sellers to those with smaller layouts that want feature rich operating fun when running their trains. My B&O model should be here in Tennessee mid next week. I do not have any steamers with this wheel arrangement and do to the price point, I added this to my fleet. I’m now waiting on the 0-4-0 Legacy steamer with the slope back tender…..Happy Railroading Everyone

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

got mine yesterday from Charles Ro!  My first Legacy engine, really nice.

https://youtu.be/lHRsv36O0o8

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

This is my first Legacy engine and I am hooked.  The quality and detail on this engine is amazing compared to my LC+ 2.0 stuff.  Already planning on how I can save up for my next one!

Hey Jet, great video (although as a lifelong Braves fan, your background flag needs an upgrade).  You have a top-shelf camera crew!

You mentioned in the video being limited to smaller Legacy engines. Given that, you should check out the upcoming Legacy Atlantic from the 2022v1 catalog. I believe there is a NYC version. They’re rated for O31 and should be nice like your new Consolidation. My experience with Legacy engines is the same as with a bowl of Chex Mix - the first grab leads to endless more.

I hope you and your sons have hours and hours worth of fun with your new engine on your terrific layout.

@Rider Sandman posted:

Hey Jet, great video (although as I lifelong Braves fan, your background flag needs an upgrade).  You have a top-shelf camera crew!

You mentioned in the video being limited to smaller Legacy engines. Given that, you should check out the upcoming Legacy Atlantic from the 2022v1 catalog. I believe there is a NYC version. They’re rated for O31 and should be nice like your new Consolidation. My experience with Legacy engines is the same as with a bowl of Chex Mix - the first grab leads to endless more.

I hope you and your sons have hours and hours worth of fun with your new engine on your terrific layout.

Thanks for the idea, I had looked at that engine a while back but decided on the 2-8-0 because I liked the looks a bit more.  I'm going to be a little patient and see what comes in the 2023 v1 catalog, plus that gives me some time to save up! 

Question for everyone, am I missing something on the whistle steam, does that not work with Bluetooth?  Do I need a legacy controller for that? Just wondering why it doesn't seem to be working.

As for the Mets vs Braves, going to be a great match up this post season!

I’ve never used Bluetooth, but I don’t believe you can adjust the smoke level in conventional mode. Legacy engines come set at the “low” setting. If you know someone with a Legacy system, take it to their layout and set it to “high”. I believe the setting should remain in memory thereafter.

One other thought: cover the main stack with your finger and blow into the whistle steam opening. Sometimes an air bubble will block the smoke tube.

I also use more fluid than the manual suggests for the initial fill.

@Rider Sandman posted:

I’ve never used Bluetooth, but I don’t believe you can adjust the smoke level in conventional mode. Legacy engines come set at the “low” setting. If you know someone with a Legacy system, take it to their layout and set it to “high”. I believe the setting should remain in memory thereafter.

One other thought: cover the main stack with your finger and blow into the whistle steam opening. Sometimes an air bubble will block the smoke tube.

I also use more fluid than the manual suggests for the initial fill.

Thanks @Rider Sandman for the hint! That worked, a little extra smoke fluid, let the engine warm up a bit then I plugged the smoke stack and blew down the whistle steam hole.

@ArtsModelTrains posted:

Thanks @Rider Sandman for the hint! That worked, a little extra smoke fluid, let the engine warm up a bit then I plugged the smoke stack and blew down the whistle steam hole.

Good deal!  Enjoy the long weekend.

Awaiting the Western Pacific version at my dealer. Out here on the west coast, you can add a week or two to the wait from when  east coast dealers get their merchandise. Looking forward to it; the only Lionel item I ordered this year.

Just got out the Santa Fe. Here’s some pics and a video. This is a great little engine. I will be putting something to filter the light coming from the firebox, it’s a little bright.

The Maine Central came out great! I really like the colors.

@SuperChief posted:

Just got out the Santa Fe. Here’s some pics and a video. This is a great little engine. I will be putting something to filter the light coming from the firebox, it’s a little bright.

Great little video!  
She’s quite the smoker! Very nice!

Anyone else notice the whistle steam is a little light on smoke compared to the Pennsy H-10's that came out several years ago?

I did it. Relettered my 2-8-0 into Erie. I am adding a few details too…

Tom

Now that’s on nice engine Skip,  maybe someday I can pick one up at a blowout price.

@Krieglok posted:

I did it. Relettered my 2-8-0 into Erie. I am adding a few details too…

Tom

Good looking consolidation

@Reading RR posted:

Anyone else notice the whistle steam is a little light on smoke compared to the Pennsy H-10's that came out several years ago?

Mine seemed this way at first. After around an hour of running and blowing the whistle, the whistle steam had a break through and seemed normal.

Thanks SuprChief, I'll keep an eye on it see what happens.  Mine blows but is fairly light.

Low smoke output can also be caused by using too much smoke fluid. It cools the resistor so little smoke is produced. As more of the fluid is burned away output will increase.

Pete

Just got my custom run CN #2616 from MrMuffin a couple of days ago.

Seems pretty nice so far. I have to agree that the green front markers are a tad on the bright side, as is the firebox glow. but it runs quite nicely and behaves just fine.

Rod

Brass model 1990's

My new Maine Central from Charles Ro. As others have stated, it seems like it takes a few hours before the whistle steam starts blowing well - I used some compressed air to remove any bubbles and make sure the line is clear. Beautiful engine and tender.

@Trainmaster04 - Further to your inquiry about the arrival of the Grand Canyon 2-8-0 Consolidation Set (product #2222050), according to Lionel's current shipping schedule it's supposed to be arriving in August 2022 - so it should be arriving any month now (🙏).

Weaver had done the Grand Canyon #29

@Rod Stewart posted:

Just got my custom run CN #2616 from MrMuffin a couple of days ago.

Mine just came today, with Harry Hieke's masterful medium weathering arranged through Mr. Muffin's Trains.

I see an SMD type LED in the roof of the cab, but it does not come on while the locomotive is in the stationary position. Is there a trick to get it to work?

@Bob "O" posted:

Mine just came today, with Harry Hieke's masterful medium weathering arranged through Mr. Muffin's Trains.

I see an SMD type LED in the roof of the cab, but it does not come on while the locomotive is in the stationary position. Is there a trick to get it to work?

Nice question Bob. I never even noticed it. I'll have to check mine again.

You may have to toggle rule 17 lighting ON with the Cab-2; not sure.

Nice weathering job by the way; I like it a lot.

Rod

@Bob "O" If the engine is already "fired up", simply press the engine soft key, and there should be a cab light button in the bottom corner. Note that this feature can only be accessed via legacy.

@Rod Stewart posted:

Nice question Bob. I never even noticed it. I'll have to check mine again.

You may have to toggle rule 17 lighting ON with the Cab-2; not sure.

@Trainmaster04 posted:

@Bob "O" If the engine is already "fired up", simply press the engine soft key, and there should be a cab light button in the bottom corner. Note that this feature can only be accessed via legacy.

Unfortunately, the Rule 17 toggle does not turn it on. While I was in the train room, I checked the Legacy Control System manual. On page 35 are the exact instructions that Trainmaster suggested. But this Cab light icon does not help either.

I can live without a cab light. The flickering firebox certainly keeps things well lit. Rod, did you have a chance to see if your cab light works? Perhaps it's not meant to work.

It runs well and smokes well from the stack. Whistle steam is weak so far, but others have said it improves with time. Love the variable pitch for whistle and bell.

Thanks to both for suggestions.

Bob

@Bob "O" posted:

Unfortunately, the Rule 17 toggle does not turn it on. While I was in the train room, I checked the Legacy Control System manual. On page 35 are the exact instructions that Trainmaster suggested. But this Cab light icon does not help either.

I can live without a cab light. The flickering firebox certainly keeps things well lit. Rod, did you have a chance to see if your cab light works? Perhaps it's not meant to work.

It runs well and smokes well from the stack. Whistle steam is weak so far, but others have said it improves with time. Love the variable pitch for whistle and bell.

Thanks to both for suggestions.

Bob

Bob I did just check mine and the cab led is lit whenever the engine is stopped, and goes out just as it starts moving, just as it should. So I can say it IS supposed to work. It sounds like you may have a wiring or a connection issue? Hard to say.

Rod

Mine works like it should - on when stopped, off when moving.

1. Did you try hitting the reset "R" button and see if that helps ?

2. If not, try a program reset.

@Mike CT posted:

Weaver had done the Grand Canyon #29

What happened to the former Weaver tooling? That model looks so much more like #29!

@Richie C. posted:

Mine works like it should - on when stopped, off when moving.

1. Did you try hitting the reset "R" button and see if that helps ?

2. If not, try a program reset.

Thanks for the ideas. Tried both and still no cab light.

If I were brave, I'd take off the shell and trace the wiring. But I am not brave.

Bob

Maybe try holding down the AUX 2 button and bringing up the directional lighting. I don't think this controls the cab light, but might be worth a try.

See Legacy Lighting Menu | O Gauge Railroading On Line Forum (ogaugerr.com)

@Richie C. posted:

Maybe try holding down the AUX 2 button and bringing up the directional lighting. I don't think this controls the cab light, but might be worth a try.

See Legacy Lighting Menu | O Gauge Railroading On Line Forum (ogaugerr.com)

Thanks for the link and suggestion. Still no luck.

Bob

@Bob "O" posted:

Thanks for the ideas. Tried both and still no cab light.

If I were brave, I'd take off the shell and trace the wiring. But I am not brave.

Bob

Maybe you are smart enough just to leave it alone?

I finally got my C&O and BC&G today after UPS didn't bother to tell me where they were.

Happy that the tender trucks got changed on the production run to a prototypical Andrews vs whatever that is that was shown in the catalog.  Had already bought two sets of complete trucks at last years parts sale to change them out.  I now have extra trucks that I will use somewhere and it saves me the trouble.

Now to change the headlight to a winged one and renumber to better match the prototype.

The BC&G is way off, but I'm just going to have to live with that as you will not get anything else - doesn't exist.

Just for comparison.

I took both photos here at home in Haliburton, Ontario.

Bob

Wow, which one is the real one??
Kidding aside, they are really close and I have never seen pics of the real deal. Nice.
I see the real engine does not have the step in the running boards near the front. And it also has raised sides aroind the coal bin. Otherwise they are pretty close. And the tender does not hace a backup light, like the model depicts. The real one might have the front steam dome closer to the stack, kind of hard to tell exactly.
Thanks for the pics!
Rod

I enhanced the real engine picture so you can see more detail.

Click on graphic to expand image.

Thats great grj, thanks!

@Rod Stewart - Either the bottom photo in Bob’s pics is the real engine or they have giant leaves in Haliburton, Ontario.  😜

@Rod Stewart posted:

Wow, which one is the real one??

@gunrunnerjohn posted:

I enhanced the real engine picture so you can see more detail.

@PH1975 posted:

@Rod Stewart - Either the bottom photo in Bob’s pics is the real engine or they have giant leaves in Haliburton, Ontario.  😜

The bell placement is incorrect but otherwise nearly a dead ringer. The Lionel tender does not have a back up light as do the other 2-8-0's in this run.

Thanks for the improved picture GRJ.

Our autumn leaves are known for their colour and grandeur! Photos taken today. Next week the leaves would be even better

Bob