Legacy 4-6-6T: Anyone have photos or video?

CarGuy : Great little engine and great looking layout!  Thoroughly enjoyed your video - particularly the scenery.

Thanks Jeff! Looks pretty good. 

After what they did with the Vision Line Niagara paint job I like to see what I'm getting before hand.

@jeffrey37 posted:

Jeff, Are there marker lights on the rear of the tender? The video posted of the B&A loco show them. I can't tell if they're there on the NYC loco you posted.

Beautiful engine!

Peter

Skip, here are some pics of the backend.

Both excellent looking models with what looks to be upgraded performance smoke units in both the main stack and whistle steam.

@jeffrey37  I see the tender's rear marker lights on your NYC, but did you turn them off while the front marker/class lights remained on?  They don't appear lighted as they were on CarGuyZM10's (Michael R) Boston & Albany.

@jeffrey37 posted:

Skip, here are some pics of the backend.

Hi Bob,

Did you turn the marker lights off? Can you do that with Legacy?

• Skip - You lost me, whose Bob?  (as I thought the two videos on this thread were posted by Michael and Jeffrey respectively)

The rear marker lights on mine do not turn on or off. The front are always on.

Car guy, Jeff

    Thanks for the great videos, beautiful engines good luck with them. They seem to run, sound and smoke great.

    Does anyone have videos or pictures of the US Army engine?

Thanks

John

Skip - Interestingly neither the 2019 Volume 2 printed catalog nor the Lionel website description for this particular engine mention the 'rear' marker lights, the website catalog description for the NYC version (2031020) only refers to the "Illuminated classification lights on the front of the locomotive."

Consequently you and Keystone raise an interesting point because the rear marker lights are clearly lit up on the B&A version shown in Michael's video.

Interesting!

@PH1975 posted:

Skip - Interestingly neither the 2019 Volume 2 printed catalog nor the Lionel website description for this particular engine mention the 'rear' marker lights, the website catalog description for the NYC version (2031020) only refers to the "Illuminated classification lights on the front of the locomotive."

Consequently you and Keystone raise an interesting point because the rear marker lights are clearly lit up on the B&A version shown in Michael's video.

Interesting!

 Catalog descriptions are notorious for being inaccurate The catalog also says " 3 speaker sound system, dual speakers in the tender and one in the boiler". LOL

http://www.lionel.com/products...4-6-6t-1297-2031020/

I would be inclined to think theres a loose connection or something in Jeffs tender. Possibly something was jarred during shipping or missed at the factory. 

There are videos of the NH version showing operating rear markers as well.

RickO - Yeah, the loose connection idea occurred to me as well.  After all, what good is a light if it never lights up? (lol) 

@CarGuyZM10 posted:

At 4:20, the switch / crossing tower, who makes that ?

Thanks.

I emailed Lionel for a RA number today to get the rear marker light fixed.  I also discovered that the ir sensors was not working.

@jeffrey37 posted:

I would like to know if anyone has any ideas on whether the new releases from LIONEL and their 4-6-0s with whistle steam will provide the kind of effects as in this video of a 4-6-6T? I know my Lionel U.P. 9000 doesn't produce much "steam" at all...very hard to see it. Would like to buy one of the new releases in the 4-6-0 category  especially if it has improved the "steam" effects!! Thanks for your upcoming posts!!

@Jeff B. Haertlein posted:

I would like to know if anyone has any ideas on whether the new releases from LIONEL and their 4-6-0s with whistle steam will provide the kind of effects as in this video of a 4-6-6T? I know my Lionel U.P. 9000 doesn't produce much "steam" at all...very hard to see it. Would like to buy one of the new releases in the 4-6-0 category  especially if it has improved the "steam" effects!! Thanks for your upcoming posts!!

Jeff,

     Many of my older Legacy steam engines produce good amounts of smoke, my B6, H10, K4 (original tender) all smoke great. My friend Kevin's UP 9001 produces great smoke whenever he runs it. You may not be putting enough smoke fluid in. Try 30-40 drops, search posts for correct amounts of fluid. Their may be a issue with your engine contact Alex M or GRJ they both can rework Lionel smoke units to high output. Good luck

JohnB

@NYC Fan posted:

Hi Bob,

Did you turn the marker lights off? Can you do that with Legacy?

 

 

Yes you can do that with Legacy.  The Cab2 is able to turn off marker/class lights on Legacy engines. Hold Aux2 to enter the lighting menu and you'll see the options.

Michael (CarGuy), you have a great layout, and that was a very well done video showcasing your B&A 4-6-6T steam engine. Nice long straightaways and broad curves make any model train look that much better and more realistic. Trackside shots are the best for watching trains IMO. Thanks for making and posting the video.

Looks like smoke fluid sales should really increase. Nice videos. 

Now that I have my New York Central 4-6-6T in good working order (after a DOA and a trip to Lionel for repair), I started researching the fate of the 4-6-6Ts after the switch to diesel power on the B&A in 1950.

All that the Staufer & May says is that " the newer 4-6-6Ts were moved over to the New York Central, renumbered 1295-1299, where they saw limited service. It was merely a case of running off their remaining miles for all were gone by 1952."

I have tried to research whet they did. It does not look like they were used on the Putman Division. Pre-diesel motive power was 4-6-0 Ten Wheelers. The Harlem and Hudson Divisions had been electrified.....

It looks like Pacifics handled steam north of the electrified zone of the Harlem Division.

Does anyone have any info or and idea of where else to look?

I will query the New York Central Railroad Historical Society of which I am a member.....

Since this is my railroad.....I have decided that in my world they were assigned to the Putnam Division and the non-electrified territory on the Harlem Division.  

Peter

@Putnam Division posted:

Since this is my railroad.....I have decided that in my world they were assigned to the Putnam Division and the non-electrified territory on the Harlem Division.  

Peter

Totally agree - mine does yeoman’s duty pulling a short commuter consist on my fictional Harlem Line (with occasional rail fan excursions up to the Poconos).

In response to Peter's comment, I have consulted numerous references on the Boston & Albany and New York Central Railroads, and the Hudson, Harlem and Putnam Divisions, and haven't found any photographs or information on these engines after they were transferred to the New York City area. "Steam Locomotives of the New York Central Lines" by William D. Edson and H.L. Vail Jr., published by the New York Central System Historical Society, Inc. (March 1997) lists the five D-1a engines as having been renumbered to 1295 - 1299 in March 1951 and their disposition as "SS" (sold for scrap?) between August 1951 and March 1952.

There is adequate documentation and photography of these engines during the time they were in use around Boston between 1928 and 1951.

MELGAR

Thanks everyone.....if I get a response from the NYC Historical Society, I will share it.

Peter

Do an internet search on "Tank - Boston and Albany Railroad D-1a." The first site returned by my browser was a portfolio of B&A tank engines (there were 2-6-6T and 4-6-6T types). One photo shows #1297 in front of what I believe is the Croton-Harmon roundhouse.

MELGAR

@MELGAR posted:

In response to Peter's comment, I have consulted numerous references on the Boston & Albany and New York Central Railroads, and the Hudson, Harlem and Putnam Divisions, and haven't found any photographs or information on these engines after they were transferred to the New York City area. "Steam Locomotives of the New York Central Lines" by William D. Edson and H.L. Vail Jr., published by the New York Central System Historical Society, Inc. (March 1997) lists the five D-1a engines as having been renumbered to 1295 - 1299 in March 1951 and their disposition as "SS" (sold for scrap?) between August 1951 and March 1952.

There is adequate documentation and photography of these engines during the time they were in use around Boston between 1928 and 1951.

MELGAR

Hi Melgar, is your 4-6-6T B&A a Lionel Legacy from the some what recent production?  If so did you experience any problems. with it like Peter?

Ron

My Legacy 4-6-6T is run conventionally with no problems as of now. I don't use smoke. The speed control is so-so...

MELGAR

Eric Siegel did a review that you can see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhaTae-f2zQ

Jan

FWIW - For anyone who may be interested (because Lionel based their latest Tank engine on the earlier K-Line Dies) I note that Western Depot has a K-Line TMCC-equipped Boston & Albany 4-6-6T engine (K3470-0403) listed on their website for $570 - if it's still available.

@PH1975 posted:

FWIW - For anyone who may be interested (because Lionel based their latest Tank engine on the earlier K-Line Dies) I note that Western Depot has a K-Line TMCC-equipped Boston & Albany 4-6-6T engine (K3470-0403) listed on their website for $570 - if it's still available.

Actually, it says there are  27 B&A, as well as 2 weathered B&A,  along with 12 Jersey Central, and 16 Reading.

K Line 4-6-6 at Western Depot

@PH1975 posted:

FWIW - For anyone who may be interested (because Lionel based their latest Tank engine on the earlier K-Line Dies) I note that Western Depot has a K-Line TMCC-equipped Boston & Albany 4-6-6T engine (K3470-0403) listed on their website for $570 - if it's still available.

These are great scale versions but remember, they also were the engines that had that quirky jerking motion due to the electronics and required installation of a resistor (or something to that effect) to resolve that issue. There are a couple of old posts about it. I have the NYC, bought it from a dealer at York and the dealer installed it into every new engine he had for sale. Mine does not jerk and the smoke output is fantastic.

Mike

@ezmike posted:

These are great scale versions but remember, they also were the engines that had that quirky jerking motion due to the electronics and required installation of a resistor (or something to that effect) to resolve that issue. There are a couple of old posts about it. I have the NYC, bought it from a dealer at York and the dealer installed it into every new engine he had for sale. Mine does not jerk and the smoke output is fantastic.

Mike

Are these 4 chuffs per rev or two Mike? Or is it  selectable for that matter?  Youtube videos give conflicting evidence.

RickO - You're absolutely right as far as the 'numerous' versions of Western Depot's K-Line Tank engine are concerned.  Somehow I missed the 'quantity' column.  That said, the 2 weathered B&A engines are listed at $650 rather than $570.

@RickO posted:

Are these 4 chuffs per rev or two Mike? Or is it  selectable for that matter?  Youtube videos give conflicting evidence.

To tell you the truth, I'm really bad at hearing the chuffs/revolution but I think the K-line version (the one I was referring to) is two, but I will listen to it closely and get back to you. If it's selectable, I've missed it completely, but I doubt it.

Mike

The K-Line engine has 4 chuffs. Not sure if its selectable. The early ones required a diode in the circuit at the input to the R2LC pin 17 chuff in to isolate it from the smoke fan. When the fix was discovered dealers were supposed to install the diode before selling the engine.

Pete

@Norton posted:

The K-Line engine has 4 chuffs. Not sure if its selectable. The early ones required a diode in the circuit at the input to the R2LC pin 17 chuff in to isolate it from the smoke fan. When the fix was discovered dealers were supposed to install the diode before selling the engine.

Pete

Thanks Pete, when I purchased mine at York, the dealer had installed the diode.

Mike

Thanks for the input Mike and Pete!