I’ve been looking for a Legacy water tender to go with my NKP heavyweights. The undecorated tender in the new catalog might be an option. What I can’t get my head around from the description is its size.  How big is it in relation to, for example, a Legacy Berkshire tender (e.g., NKP 765)?  

What I’d really like is a re-release (in Legacy) of the N&W water tenders, but I’m beginning to think that isn’t in the cards given the recent number of N&W steamers without it making an appearance. Thoughts?

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After doing a little online research, I get why Lionel chose this type to use for a variety of water tenders, but the one pictured in the catalog looks like the same one they used on the recent LEGACY J3a Hudson rerelease, which is actually wrong. As pictured above, the Chessie Steam Special and the T-1 Freedom train water tenders are actually a repainted tender from the New York Central L3a class Mohawks series.

Lionel has made the L3a Mohawk in the past, first in 1990 when Mike Wolf was under contract with Richard Kughn, and again in 1998. I'm not sure if the tooling for the engine and tender got destroyed in the 20 some years since, but the catalog states the tenders will measure 12" long, which IS longer than the 10 or so inch long Hudson tenders and about the same length as the Berkshire tenders, so I guess we'll have to wait and see until a prototype surfaces.

If the tenders are correct, I hope we see a LEGACY L3a Mohawk w/ whistle steam in the line soon...

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The catalog says 12" length on these AWTs, which would be the scale size of the converted Mohawk tender on which these models are based. However, the catalog image is of a short version of the tender. I expect that the text is correct and the image isn't, but if no one else finds out soon I'll ask Lionel. 

I emailed Lionel to inquire about which tender they were going to use - the Hudson in the picture or the Mohawk (correct).  I'll reply to this string when they email me back (if they do).

I'm not sure I'll get one though as I made one myself from a Mohawk Tender I got on the For Sale section years ago:

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Thanks, guys, for the helpful replies. I, too, noticed the description that said they were 12” long.  Scaling that against the photo, these things seemed really big/tall. In any case, it seems like they will be really big in comparison to the UP and N&W water tenders. I like that they released an undecorated one.

Rider Sandman posted:

Thanks, guys, for the helpful replies. I, too, noticed the description that said they were 12” long.  Scaling that against the photo, these things seemed really big/tall. In any case, it seems like they will be really big in comparison to the UP and N&W water tenders. I like that they released an undecorated one.

I think they will be close in length than to the UP style tender than you think.  I think what makes them look so long is that aren't nearly as tall.  I Have 3001 tender I've been saving for a CSS aux tender.  I hope Lionel does this one correct to save me all that work.

 

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C&O Allie posted:

I emailed Lionel to inquire about which tender they were going to use - the Hudson in the picture or the Mohawk (correct).  I'll reply to this string when they email me back (if they do).

I'm not sure I'll get one though as I made one myself from a Mohawk Tender I got on the For Sale section years ago:

aux tender 01aux tender 02

Thank you. Please let us know.  Yours is still the best.  

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C&O Allie posted:

I emailed Lionel to inquire about which tender they were going to use - the Hudson in the picture or the Mohawk (correct).  I'll reply to this string when they email me back (if they do).

I'm not sure I'll get one though as I made one myself from a Mohawk Tender I got on the For Sale section years ago:

aux tender 01aux tender 02

Good luck Allan on getting a response from Lionel. I'm still waiting to see if Lionel will eventually have the Bush funeral train cars sold separately. I've been waiting almost 3 months for that answer.

And Thank you again for the help with my CSS Aux Tender. #Love it! as they say.....

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Chris

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Jayhawk500 posted:
C&O Allie posted:

I emailed Lionel to inquire about which tender they were going to use - the Hudson in the picture or the Mohawk (correct).  I'll reply to this string when they email me back (if they do).

I'm not sure I'll get one though as I made one myself from a Mohawk Tender I got on the For Sale section years ago:

aux tender 01aux tender 02

Good luck Allan on getting a response from Lionel. I'm still waiting to see if Lionel will eventually have the Bush funeral train cars sold separately. I've been waiting almost 3 months for that answer.

And Thank you again for the help with my CSS Aux Tender. #Love it! as they say.....

DSCN0015

Chris,

It looks great!!

Allan

jeremy ferrell posted:
Rider Sandman posted:

Thanks, guys, for the helpful replies. I, too, noticed the description that said they were 12” long.  Scaling that against the photo, these things seemed really big/tall. In any case, it seems like they will be really big in comparison to the UP and N&W water tenders. I like that they released an undecorated one.

I think they will be close in length than to the UP style tender than you think.  I think what makes them look so long is that aren't nearly as tall.  I Have 3001 tender I've been saving for a CSS aux tender.  I hope Lionel does this one correct to save me all that work.

 

Jeremy,

If it is the wrong one, I can send you the decals I used for mine.

C&O Allie posted:
jeremy ferrell posted:
Rider Sandman posted:

Thanks, guys, for the helpful replies. I, too, noticed the description that said they were 12” long.  Scaling that against the photo, these things seemed really big/tall. In any case, it seems like they will be really big in comparison to the UP and N&W water tenders. I like that they released an undecorated one.

I think they will be close in length than to the UP style tender than you think.  I think what makes them look so long is that aren't nearly as tall.  I Have 3001 tender I've been saving for a CSS aux tender.  I hope Lionel does this one correct to save me all that work.

 

Jeremy,

If it is the wrong one, I can send you the decals I used for mine.

Thank you Sir.

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Rider Sandman posted:

What I’d really like is a re-release (in Legacy) of the N&W water tenders, but I’m beginning to think that isn’t in the cards given the recent number of N&W steamers without it making an appearance. Thoughts?

Well, assuming Lionel does produce a Legacy Auxiliary Water Tender buy the boards at the annual Lionel parts sale. Then get one of the N&W brass TMCC auxiliary water tenders and swap the boards.

Straight from the Lionel Ryan and Dave program today online.  These aux tenders are NOT using the Mohawk style tenders. 

To me it's not close enough.  Substituting a smaller tender for a larger one like what they are doing (especially when the tooling should be available since they used it twice before) is unacceptable.  Why not do it right the first time and make people happy?  I guess they are banking on people saying "I guess it's close enough."  That tender might look ok with a RailKing model, but not the scale Chessie and AFT T1s.

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This stinks (for those who wanted one).  This is effectively what it will look like. My first version was using a Scale Hudson Tender before I made the scale versions:

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Bill,

Thanks. Looks like I will skip this one. Why pay a premium price for something that's just not right?

Ken

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