Legacy Engine Woes--3 Differnt Problems

Here's a link to the manual.

Sorry I don't have much to add that you won't find in there.

-Dave

You have a smoke unit fan motor that has locked up.  Try some MegaSteam Eliminator to free it up, or take it out and work it free (could be an impeller interference issue) or replace the motor.  

Usually sound issues are dirty wheels, rollers or track.  

Check pilot pivot lubrication regarding the tracking issue.

Dave45681 posted:

Here's a link to the manual.

Sorry I don't have much to add that you won't find in there.

-Dave

Thank you!  That will be helpful!

Volphin posted:

You have a smoke unit fan motor that has locked up.  Try some MegaSteam Eliminator to free it up, or take it out and work it free (could be an impeller interference issue) or replace the motor.  

Usually sound issues are dirty wheels, rollers or track.  

Check pilot pivot lubrication regarding the tracking issue.

Thanks much for the tip on the eliminator.

I cleaned both . . . .  Hmmmm.

That's just it:  the drivers are coming off prior tot he pilot wheels.  I can watch it happen.   I just don't understand why.  I am going to try to run it through the area in the other direction in hopes that I might learn something.

I have the same problem with a T&P mike with front drivers climbing off the track at the most inconvenient point under the table. It happens at the same point, always. No other engine does this. I don't see any problem with the track.

Well, the engine does NOT derail going the other way--this problem is strange.

I will order some of the Megasteam Eliminator and hope that it works.  I am really not confident in my ability to open up this engine and do anything useful to the smoke unit without messing something up badly.  At the moment, I have it turned off.  I may try the reset that the manual mentioned, but I'll wait till the Eliminator gets here:  three failed attempts locks out the system, according to the manual.  I want the best possible chance.

I wouldn't bother with a reset at all.  It would not fix the issue.  

The 3 blinks do mean something. It's an indication that something is for sure wrong. Pretty sure all Legacy locomotives do that (or recent ones anyway).

3 blinks is a smoke motor problem.  I believe switching off the smoke should allow the locomotive to run.  You will need to restart the locomotive.  You will also need to look at the fan motor.

Derailment issue.

Is it straight section, switch , or a curve and if so what radius?

I have some engines that wobble side to side on curves going in one direction and not the other and they derail in the same spot while other engines have no problem.  I'll run them backwards so they are long nose forward if I want the train to go a certain direction. I have 1 lionel gg1 conventional that is extremity tempermental and has a lot of wobble,  it only runs west to east on my layout.

palallin posted:

three failed attempts locks out the system, according to the manual.  I want the best possible chance.

Until you power it down.  Once powered down if the problem persists, you can try again for another 3 times, and so on.  Ultimately you can try a little compressed air down the stack or open the unit and possibly fix it by checking that the impeller isn't rubbing or the motor being bad.  You said the second two are not an option so the quick shot of compressed air may help.  The eliminator may work but not sure as I've never used it.

BTW as mentioned above the 3 cab light blinks means the main stack fan motor is having an issue.  Whether stalled or drawing a bit too much current.

palallin posted:

 

• The engine will start OK, but the sound will often cut out at some point in the run.

 

 

Try installing a battery.   I have one or two legacy steamers that adding a battery fixed this issue.  I do recommend the battery alternatives such as a BCR or the battery replacement from Henning's trains.   sorry Cant I cant remember what version I got from Henning's is called.

As for your three blinks-   When this happened to my legacy berk it turned out the smoke unit had gotten particularly nasty and gummed up.   I assume from using to much fluid. I took the unit apart replaced the wadding and cleaned everything with rubbing alcohol and it seemed to resolve the issue. 

When you use the Eliminator, be sure to let it soak for a bit.  It acts as a lubricant.  Oftentimes the impeller gets stuck from smoke fluid residue or due to an improperly installed position (the Eliminator helps break the residue up and allows the impeller to move).  I've also seen the impeller installed too low or too high on the motor shaft causing an interference bind.  It usually works itself free, and gets better with use.  Once you get the unit going, give the engine a nice long run with the EFX labor chuff set to max, refilling the unit with Eliminator as required.

I know I had the same issue on my Legacy M1a.  3 blinks and no smoke from main stack.  I had not run it in a long time.  Before that no issues.  But I just put in some eliminator in it to free it up, let it sit overnight and next day it works fine.  I know everyone wants to send it in to get smoke unit replaced, but sometimes it is just a little stuck from residue and there is no issue. 

I had a similar problem with a 2 8 0 climbing off on one curve 0 54.  No others did that.  I discovered that my track was not level and when I worked it, the engine tracked just fine, my problem not the engine although the more drivers perhaps the better the track needs to be. 

Jushavnfun posted:

Derailment issue.

Is it straight section, switch , or a curve and if so what radius?

I have some engines that wobble side to side on curves going in one direction and not the other and they derail in the same spot while other engines have no problem.  I'll run them backwards so they are long nose forward if I want the train to go a certain direction. I have 1 lionel gg1 conventional that is extremity tempermental and has a lot of wobble,  it only runs west to east on my layout.

Straight track.  The engine doesn't wobble at all.  And it inly happens in one direction.  Very strange!

jeremy ferrell posted:

palallin posted:

 

• The engine will start OK, but the sound will often cut out at some point in the run.

 

 

Try installing a battery.   I have one or two legacy steamers that adding a battery fixed this issue.  I do recommend the battery alternatives such as a BCR or the battery replacement from Henning's trains.   sorry Cant I cant remember what version I got from Henning's is called.

As for your three blinks-   When this happened to my legacy berk it turned out the smoke unit had gotten particularly nasty and gummed up.   I assume from using to much fluid. I took the unit apart replaced the wadding and cleaned everything with rubbing alcohol and it seemed to resolve the issue. 

Where does the battery go?  In the tender?  I've never had it apart.

I really appreciate all the suggestions.  I need to get the Eliminators, and I can try the compressed air, too.

imo the battery is masking a track issue

none of my lionel engines have a battery.