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@Raven87 posted:

Will that impact operation of any units I control via Bluetooth both what I have now or future purchases?

No Legacy puts a radio signal on the track that all Legacy/TMCC locomotives look for and will wait to respond to. Any LC locomotives will not care just simply ignore that signal for more information on Legacy and Bluetooth checkout THIS thread

The Cab-2 can simultaneously run 5 locomotives at the same time.

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@Raven87 posted:

Since I’m still learning about the Legacy environment and am a big fan of Bluetooth control, what more do I need to be able to integrate non-Bluetooth Legacy units into my layout?
I must admit I’m not clear on what additional hardware (and cost) would be needed to expand that way?

First, the Lionel Legacy and others (TMCC- K-Line,  Atlas, Third Rail) will ALL run using the TMCC (Cab 1) OR the Legacy Cab 2) systems.  And any of the TMCC, LC, LC+ or Legacy engines will run using a conventional transformer.

To run in that "environment"- you need to buy a TMCC ("Cab1") or a Legacy ("Cab 2") system - which have a Command Base, and a handheld Cab.  The TMCC system has been replaced by Legacy (since the late 1990s) and the Legacy systems since.

The differences are that TMCC has fewer features (but more than I ever use).  The Legacy system's handheld controller is more sophisticated, with digital readout, while TMCC uses keyed commands.  The Legacy system has more "speed steps"- so finer control, than the TMCC system - both have far more "Steps" than a conventional system.    And the legacy base/handheld Cab 2 is a rechargeable system.

Prices: a used TMCC System- about $175 with the "Command Base" and the handheld (Cab 1).  A second handheld is a plus so two operators can run at once- those are around $100 on that auction site.  But each TMCC system can control (I think) 99 locos, or accessories or combination.  You can also buy NEW, old stock TMCC sets, but they are getting more rare.

The Legacy Command System is between $ 350-400 new, and used ones are about $100 or so less.

BOTH Lionel systems hook up with ONE wire connected to an outside rail, and the Command Base plugged into the wall for power. NOTE- the TMCC and Legacy systems use the house wiring as an antenna- and the round "ground" post of the power cord is a part of that- you cannot replace the cord or plug with a regular cord, OR plug it into an extension or power strip. This is (IMO) THE big difference- the Lionel systems do not rely on perfect track to track connections, and are not generally affected by the size/ length of the trackage on the layout.



Locomotives: The ability to run from a LionChief Universal Remote, or use a Bluetooth device does not have anything directly to do with the  command system- those are built into the locomotive.  So an older Legacy engine will not run with the Universal Remote, OR your phone or tablet.

Interestingly- by using a power source (Lionel Power brick, or ZW-L) configured to operate with Legacy or TMCC, you can also control your conventional engines by using the system to vary the voltage to the track.  Very cool.  IMO- the handheld control is THE thing I like, plus the many features.

There are BOOKS written on these systems, and I have a writeup I can send if you just e-mail me that you want it: mikewyatt49@gmail.com

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@Raven87 posted:

Thanks Mike! I just emailed you about the info.

Another question - what are the Legacy Writeable Utility Modules used for and how many come with a complete system?52FD5CF4-68ED-41B2-9273-BEFD2C9DB951

Steve

The rewritable modules allow you to load multiple engines on them so if you go to a club or another layout you can have all of you locomotive information. Originally legacy locomotives came with a orange module that had their own information. This gave the system the name of the locomotive and road number. Not necessary but a very nice touch and then it would tell it that it was a for example Legacy diesel with Legacy rail sounds. The base must be informed as to what you are going to run. If you give it no information it will stay in cab-1 mode and anything will work but you loose all the very cool legacy features if it’s a Legacy locomotive. If it’s a TMCC locomotive I MUST be on TMCC mode so that the base isn’t trying to send out the 9bit Legacy signal because the TMCC locomotive will not understand and will not function properly.

the black modules are also used to upgrade the Legacy base and Cab-2 remote.

I hope this helped.

@Mike Wyatt posted:

And any of the TMCC, LC, LC+ or Legacy engines will run using a conventional transformer.



An important correction to the above statement, LC (meaning non + or non 2.0 LionChief) engines WILL NOT run with ONLY a conventional transformer.  A conventional transformer can power the track the LionChief engine is on.

However, to operate the LC engine one of the following is required.

a, the LC engine’s specific LionChief controller

b, a Universal LionChief controller

c, or for Bluetooth equipped LC engines the LionChief app can be used instead of a physical controller.

@GregM posted:

An important correction to the above statement, LC (meaning non + or non 2.0 LionChief) engines WILL NOT run with ONLY a conventional transformer.  A conventional transformer can power the track the LionChief engine is on.

However, to operate the LC engine one of the following is required.

a, the LC engine’s specific LionChief controller

b, a Universal LionChief controller

c, or for Bluetooth equipped LC engines the LionChief app can be used instead of a physical controller.

Correct! I mis-stated.

I just bought a barely used (complete with manuals, etc) pre-owned Legacy 990 system that the previous owner had just purchased last fall. It is supposed to be here in a week so I’m really excited.

Any suggestions on things to look for given it is a pre-owned system? Can’t wait to learn the ins and outs. Best thing of all it opens up my options for future Legacy Locomotive purchases.

Steve

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It was originally shipped from the factory with rechargeable batteries inside the handheld.  Make sure that they're present and functional.  At some point they won't hold a charge anymore as they age.

There are several postings on this forum about what you can use for replacement batteries if yours are bad.  It comes down to using exact replacements from Lionel, or third-party rechargeables.  You could also use standard alkaline batteries if you can tolerate changing them occasionally, or perhaps often.  If you do use alkalines though  you must turn the charge switch on the base off, because these aren't meant to be charged.

Mike

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Nothing wrong with pre-owned Legacy 990 set. As long as it’s not abused Lionel has been fixing all of them for free under warranty even if you are not the original owner.

as far as checking a new one out I’d second the batteries. Most don’t like to use the 991 base to charge batteries as other electronics make it warm. The 994 charger out of the 993 expansion set is good to charge batteries though.

also I’d make sure it’s up to date.
Cab-2 V1.61

Base V1.6



are the most up to date software versions

@Raven87 posted:

I just bought a barely used (complete with manuals, etc) pre-owned Legacy 990 system that the previous owner had just purchased last fall. It is supposed to be here in a week so I’m really excited.

Any suggestions on things to look for given it is a pre-owned system? Can’t wait to learn the ins and outs. Best thing of all it opens up my options for future Legacy Locomotive purchases.

Steve

It arrived this evening and I’m going to set it up tomorrow.
Exciting things ahead!

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