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coach joe posted:

Lee according to another thread Lionel put those air tanks on only 3 switchers, this Alaska 8154, it's predecessor, Alaska 614, and orange tanks on a DT&I switcher.  they do give this switcher a different look.

Good job on the flat.  i knew I wasn't the only one using HO decals on O equipment.

Okay Joe, Lee, and whoever else, the new guy needs some help, Lionel put air tanks on top of three Alaska switchers. What for? And did actual Alaska switchers have them?

This Christmas I found a 6-21955 Rio Grande passenger set under the tree. This set comes with a powered F3 A and a dummy A. I rebuilt the dummy as a powered A using the set shell and front truck. I also used an on-hand MPC single-motor F3 frame (was black so I rattle-canned it silver), a TMCC electronic E unit, and a GP power truck and motor. I also used a GP silver colored power truck frame from which I cut the pilot and steps. If you look closely the gap between the engine and first car is wider than normal because of the long GP coupler shank. Some day I'll pick up a proper silver F3 rear power truck frame to address that fault. Meanwhile I added an excellent running Rio Grande F3 to the Plywood Empire Route's  iron horse stable.

 

Lew

 

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              BTW, the pic on the wall is of the prototype Royal Gorge c.1962.

             That day power was a pair of PA-1s.

            Dad took that pic from the Dome.

 

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Pan Am Railways?

 

Yes, indeed. It is a holding company for some railroads in New England and New York. The New England railroads were hurt by the fact that manufacturers had fled the NE, so freight traffic had decreased. Add in the fact that most hauls were only  for short distances. The new holding company struggled along, adding a bad reputation as it went, so it bought the name and logo of the defunct Pan Am Airlines, which it has no connectionparr with.

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It may look like a tear down for service, but this actually all parts from the bins. The motor is a brand new OEM unit I’ve had for years. I have locked the reverse unit in reverse. This will be the back end of a ABA with both A’s being powered. Total of 4 traction tires. I also added a wire between the front and rear trucks for better continuity.

Steve

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I finally got around to making a Vanderbilt tender.  The Vanderbilt tenders have a cylinder shaped water tank which was lighter and cheaper to build that a rectangular shape water tank that had to have more internal bracing and more rivets and time and material to make.  I used a junk Lionel New York Central coal tender, a hard shell mailing tube, the bottom of a hair spray can,  a piece of junk metal roofing and some popsicle sticks.  All junk stuff, all free or slight cost for the junk coal tender, and paint and decals I had.

I cut up an old coal tender that is shown below.   I cut the angle at the coal pile with a band saw and the bottom cuts with Dremel saw blade and Xacto razor saw.  Note the crack in the section cut out in the LI  NES letters, thusly earning the title 'junk coal tender'.

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Coal tender section, frame from sheet metal, and Vanderbilt water tank from mailing tube and hair spay bottom  (dia. 2 1/8 inch, a bottom of a Pam cooking spray can will also fit my mailing tube) with decking from popsicle sticks.  I added internal wood braces and bottom sticks to popsicle the mail tube.  I had to cut about 1/16 inch from bottom of tube make smaller diameter to fit in between top of coal pile and bottom frame.

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Assembled ready for painting with Krylon semi gloss black paint.  I added a back up light.

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Pictured with new to me Lionel 3435 engine from the old Marx 333 mold

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I have enough material to make another Vanderbilt tender but with a longer body better for use with longer 2020 and 2046 engines.

Charlie

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Choo Choo Charlie posted:

I finally got around to making a Vanderbilt tender.  I used a junk Lionel New Central coal tender, a hard shell mailing tube, the bottom of a hair spray can,  a piece of junk metal roofing and some pop sickle sticks.  All junk stuff, all free or slight cost for the junk coal tender, and paint and decals I had.

Cut up old coal tender, I cut the angle at the coal pile with a band saw and the bottom cuts with Dremel saw blade and Xacto razor saw.

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Coal tender section, frame from sheet metal, and Vanderbilt water tank from mailing tube and hair spay bottom with decking from pop sickle sticks.  I added internal wood braces and bottom pop sickle sticks to the mail tube.  I had to cut about 1/16 inch from bottom of tube make smaller diameter to fit in between top of coal pile and bottom frame.

 

Assembled ready for painting with Krylon semi gloss black paint

 

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Pictured with new to me Lionel 3435 engine from old Marx 333 mold

I have enough material to make another Vanderbilt tender but with a longer body better for use with longer 2020 and 2046 engines.

Charlie

Charlie that turned out great!

Choo Choo Charlie posted:

I finally got around to making a Vanderbilt tender.  I used a junk Lionel New York Central coal tender, a hard shell mailing tube, the bottom of a hair spray can,  a piece of junk metal roofing and some pop sickle sticks.  All junk stuff, all free or slight cost for the junk coal tender, and paint and decals I had.

Cut up old coal tender, I cut the angle at the coal pile with a band saw and the bottom cuts with Dremel saw blade and Xacto razor saw.

Vandy Tender 2-27-2019 2019-02-27 003

 

Coal tender section, frame from sheet metal, and Vanderbilt water tank from mailing tube and hair spay bottom with decking from pop sickle sticks.  I added internal wood braces and bottom pop sickle sticks to the mail tube.  I had to cut about 1/16 inch from bottom of tube make smaller diameter to fit in between top of coal pile and bottom frame.

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Assembled ready for painting with Krylon semi gloss black paint.  I added a back up light.

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Pictured with new to me Lionel 3435 engine from old Marx 333 mold

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I have enough material to make another Vanderbilt tender but with a longer body better for use with longer 2020 and 2046 engines.

Charlie

 Now that’s some good scratch Charlie!

Just a quick bash, this one:

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I substituted MTH trucks on this old Standard O gondola. This has the effect of lowering the car making it's appearance more prototypical.

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I have standardized on this style MTH truck. Notice the hole in the car floor just above the bottom axle. That is the original truck mounting hole because Lionel built these cars with that odd off-center truck pivot. So I drilled new holes in order that the trucks and coupler knuckles are correctly positioned.

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scale rail posted:

Thanks Charlie, they are fun to build. It made me feel like I was in the 1950's again. I love building kits but there are so few of them anymore. LaBelle is one of the last. I have a small stack of them now, but not a lot of time. DonDSC_0801DSC_0606

Really Cool! You got me motivated. I just ordered 2 kits from LaBelle. 

Any recommendations on brand of glue and paint would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Jeff

choochoopaul posted:

Then there was the order to the Tesla plant, he always thought that DC was the better way to go.

I hate to pick nits, but Nikola Tesla was a firm proponent of alternating current.  It was Thomas Edison who believed in direct current.  In any case, the cars are VERY cool!  Got to find some small enough for S use!

Jerry Poniatowski                                                     Historic Presenter, The Henry Ford Museum          Dearborn, Michigan

         

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Thanks Charlie, they are fun to build. It made me feel like I was in the 1950's again. I love building kits but there are so few of them anymore. LaBelle is one of the last. I have a small stack of them now, but not a lot of time. DonDSC_0801DSC_0606

Really Cool! You got me motivated. I just ordered 2 kits from LaBelle. 

Any recommendations on brand of glue and paint would be appreciated. 

Thanks,

Jeff

Well, I'm not much help but I used thick super glue and the last of my Floquil paint. Haven't switched over to water base yet. DonDSC_0607open air #3

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I hope you O gauge guys can forgive me for this one.  I assure you that the shell was from a junk box which cost me the grand sum of $3.  S guys have known for years that O27 rolling stock is close to 1:64 scale.  The "Baby Ruth" style double door car is withing scale inches of being a perfect fit.  So this one became what you see in the last photo.  Scalecoat paint and dry transfers came into play and a frame from my parts box plus a couple of trucks finished off the car.  With the car rolling down the track at train shows, nobody can tell its origin.

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As a PS to the above post, here's another O27 conversion, but this time a direct frame swap.  In the photo you see (left to right): an American Flyer car (which is based on a small prototype PRR car), the O27 car, and an American models true to scale boxcar.  The O27 car fits in quite nicely, and in this case with a minimum of fuss.

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I made some "Trailers" for my Burro crane. 

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I started out with a Lionel 4 wheel gondola (6-9030) from the Kickapoo Valley & Northern starter set (ca:1970)  These cars can be found for a few dollars at train shows.  They were made in red, yellow and green.  Lionel may have used them in other sets, also.

 

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I separated the body from the base by gently prying the sides of the body until the molded in latches released.

 

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The sides of the car were painted Reefer Yellow.  The deck was painted RR Tie Brown.  The running gear, wheels and couplers were lightly painted with Rust.

 

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I left one gondola intact.  After painting and weathering, I  added a ballast load.  Extruded foam insulation was cut to size and shaped to the proper contour.  I sprayed gray primer on the foam, which reacted causing a rough surface.  While the primer was still wet, I covered the surface with ballast.  A Woodlands Scenics figure was added.

 

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When hooked up to a Burro crane they make a respectable MOW train for the section gang.

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Up grading and making a Cheap Lionel General 4-4-0 dc Locomotive more Functional and Beautiful

A cheap Lionel General 4-4-0, 8005 dc powered set with coal tender and Lionel 9541 Santa Fe Railway Agency Express Passenger car was obtained to have two 4-4-0s like the Great Locomotive Chase of the Civil war. 

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I added a full wave rectifier and changed the Lionel 8005 to ac operation although in one direction. 4-4-0 Gen 8005 mods 3-3-2016 002

 

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The Lionel 8005 was painted, along with the red and silver front wheels and painted domes.  The body and stack were painted Black.  Gold stripping was added to dress up.  Much more beautiful !

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Here is picture of the smoke stack spark screen I made from a piece of fiberglass window shade screen I had laying around.

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The forward/reverse switch was mounted by the door in the rear of the cab.

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A fun and easy project to improve a cheapo General 4-4-0 loco.

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Choo Choo Charlie, that Vanderbilt tender is just a super idea. I wish I had thought of that one, but that's okay... You did.

And I love Gandydancer's reefers made from the short 027 box cars. I asked him about it at one time, and if I recall correctly, they're printed paper sides on modified sides to the car. In his photos, they look so good. The car ladders and door hinges look so 3-dimensional. There's a project I really want to get to myself.

I've repainted the normal Lionel traditional reefers, and have lowered the truck mount so that the cars ride lower, with their overall height now closer to the shorter Lionel, MARX and K-Line box cars. But I still like the shorter length of Gandydancer's versions.

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And here's a couple more little projects of mine. I wanted some modern looking tank cars, so using the Lionel 027 body, I built a new frame to mimic the appearance of the newer unibody tank cars. And of course, Procor is a common name seen on tank cars. The bright green ones caused a sensation in the HO world when they first appeared on the real rails. Although black tank cars are certainly more common on the rails, the bright green appealed to the toy train guy inside me.

Below that is a MOW crane flat that I made using a crane from a kid's toy truck. The flat car was an old beat up MARX one. The crane boom goes up and down, and also rotates around, but the crane hook is stationary.  For me, it's mostly the appearance of having a MOW crane car on a train.

The red painted fuel tank came from some dollar store kid's farm tractor toy. I added a figure to inside the cab of the crane also. The smoke coming out of the tractor smoke stack is from the fiber used inside pillows, which I think looks way better than the cotton so many have used in the past.

 

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brianel_k-lineguy posted:

Choo Choo Charlie, that Vanderbilt tender is just a super idea. I wish I had thought of that one, but that's okay... You did.

And I love Gandydancer's reefers made from the short 027 box cars. I asked him about it at one time, and if I recall correctly, they're printed paper sides on modified sides to the car. In his photos, they look so good. The car ladders and door hinges look so 3-dimensional. There's a project I really want to get to myself.

I've repainted the normal Lionel traditional reefers, and have lowered the truck mount so that the cars ride lower, with their overall height now closer to the shorter Lionel, MARX and K-Line box cars. But I still like the shorter length of Gandydancer's versions.

Brookside Reefer

And here's a couple more little projects of mine. I wanted some modern looking tank cars, so using the Lionel 027 body, I built a new frame to mimic the appearance of the newer unibody tank cars. And of course, Procor is a common name seen on tank cars. The bright green ones caused a sensation in the HO world when they first appeared on the real rails. Although black tank cars are certainly more common on the rails, the bright green appealed to the toy train guy inside me.

Below that is a MOW crane flat that I made using a crane from a kid's toy truck. The flat car was an old beat up MARX one. The crane boom goes up and down, and also rotates around, but the crane hook is stationary.  For me, it's mostly the appearance of having a MOW crane car on a train.

The red painted fuel tank came from some dollar store kid's farm tractor toy. I added a figure to inside the cab of the crane also. The smoke coming out of the tractor smoke stack is from the fiber used inside pillows, which I think looks way better than the cotton so many have used in the past.

 

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Brianel, I hate Conrail. But that's the first Conrail vehicle ever that I didn't hate. It looks pretty sharp.

Since at least the 1960's boxcar catwalks have been prohibited. I decided to try removing them on several boxcars. Since they are not add-ons but are molded into the plastic, I used a Dremel tool to get the job done, along with a hobby file to cut down the recessed areas. I also shortened the ladders on the ends and sides. Final picture is one with the roof weathered.

Terry

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This storage mail car began life as a Williams 72’ REA Mail/Express car. It was Pullman green, but it had gold pin striping (which I did not like).  I tried to sell it cheap at a train show, and I tried to sell it on eBay but nobody wanted it.  So I decided to keep it, but change it into something more appealing to me. 

I always liked the look of an old silver painted, grimey baggage car. It would look at home in a cut of ATSF outfit cars, too. 

My opinion of Williams stuff has never been favorable except for this type of car. It is well constructed, easy to disassemble, and seems to have accurate dimensions. 7F64000A-10F3-4E9A-A385-B8971CB309D06EF2E416-8458-4E1F-AE32-E22EC0C7EDD2CFC1EF36-094C-46BF-BA93-2F758951F74C

If I stumble onto some realistic diaphragms they will be added.

 

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Not a Lionel car or engine, but...….  thought this might be of interest to some one.

A few yrs ago and recently I bought several Lionel 455-23 oil drums, decided to drill them out.

Center punch the center where you want to drill the barrel out. If you want a barrel to look rusted out, offset the center punch approx. 1/16" off center, the drill bit will cut slightly along the outer edge.

Approx 1/8" drill bit for pilot hole, 13/32" drill bit for finished hole.

I used 2 strip's of luan to hold the barrels in the vice clamp to help secure and prevent the barrel from rotating while drilling.

 

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Here is a New York Ontario & Western R.R Inspection locomotive that me and my brother made It was the locomotive from the 8410 Redwood Valley set. I got on eBay for $38. It still needs handrails and decals. 20190325_164939

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You fellows really amaze me with the clever ideas and super construction.  Great work.  After more than 30 years in model railroading there are several things I have never seen before.

I really like that New York Ontario & Western R.R Inspection locomotive by Porter09.  A very unique car and an operating engine to boot.  I bet no one else has one of these !

Charlie

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This weaver boxcar doesn't possess the realism of an Atlas Trainman or Masterline car, but I couldn't pass on it since it is C & S.  You just don't see a lot of C & S / F W & D cars for sale.  So, I added lube plates and ACI badges, weathered it with Chihuahua desert dust, and dull-coated it.  Because of the wheelsets, it still looks somewhat like a 2 year old wearing his father's work boots, but I thought it looks better.

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I got 2 - A&WP #290 (Now Lionel makes one - but I like my K-Line more) and Frisco #4018 with a matching caboose.  Not a lot of options for us Southerners - especially in the steam era!  But nice to see Lionel trying, but much cheaper to get on the secondary market and re-letter!  I'd like to find another K-Line Pacific undecorated and letter for Western Railway of Alabama.IMG_0046%25234018%2520A%25234018%2520D

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lee drennen posted:

9BCAE1AC-5955-4A8D-8150-7BD93913C8C43955E797-9595-42CA-920C-2521CDF5649F9C29576F-405E-4740-8AF7-7DFFAA7F014C8F4249E8-FA69-4589-B3F7-9BF00E538C494B6C39B9-7B46-4377-8263-5535EE2132CE8E4AE2AA-D6AB-40CA-963E-57C461C0628ACDFC7AC4-6588-4D3B-8018-27F99E7E7FFB I’ve been working on some all nations cars here is the latest one I have almost complete I also cut down some Lionel Trucks to lower it 

Nice work Lee',  I love the All Nations kits'.  Questione for you, What size and type screws are you using to install MTH trucks the cars?  Thanks in advance Lee for your help'.. 

Hi everyone', here's a  scratch built ,"Payroll Car" from a half of an "All Nations ", diner car.  The red side is pieces of balsa wood. It is based on a kit of an actual wood payroll car.  [not sure of the brand] . The trucks are old school "Walthers, cast white metal, with old plastic and metal wheels from various scrap parts.  The actual kit was in a million pieces of small 1 x 1.5" sheets of basswood.  No hint of instructions,  I couldn't figure out how to put  it together, so I designed and built my own version.  Complete with the pay master and RR uniformed police, for security, and the gang foreman...

In case you are wondering why I write in bold'?  It helps me see the print'.. poor eyesight'

 

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I see Porter09 and another have done inspection engines ...l was planning one, but has seen a photo of a similar, but longer steam coach, and built and posted it.  Think l used a Walthers combine kit. I have a number of "critters", some I'd forgotten, such as an 0-8-0 switcher with Elesco and flying pumps.  Others are a steam dummy, a Lionel 0-8-0 bashed into a Great Western consolidation, pickle plant factory branch cars, etc.  Will have to post photos.

Now will add photos of steam coach, #60 Consol. on the Great Western, with a stand-in tender, built from a Lionel 0-8-0, a switcher maybe built from same source, for my free-lance road, with Elesco, flying pumps, and Vanderbilt tender (as l want all equipped), and a Marx #1829 bashed into a Mikado.  All need better tenders...#60 a scale one, all others good models of varying lengths of coal Vanderbilts.

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Homemade Longer Vanderbilt Tender

Got around to making a second longer Vanderbilt Coal Tender, marked up as a Rock Island.  It is identical to the shorter Vanderbilt Coal Tender except it is 1 inch longer.  IMG_0941

 

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Added 1 inch to the side bottom rails from the plastic from the not needed part of the CT and added pieces of tin to strengthen with J B Weld.

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A bottom was made from a piece of sheet metal roofing bending the folds in a wood working 4 x 10 inch Columbia vise.

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The water tank section was made from part of a 2 inch dia. mailing tube and decking and reinforcing was make from popsicle sticks.  Dark red sealing was from 60 year old model airplane dope.

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The crack between the coal pile and water tank was filled in with balsa wood.  A pair of six wheel Williams trucks, one with a coupling, were purchased years ago at a train show just for a large Vanderbilt coal tender.  The tank domed back is from a hair spay can bottom, ground off with a grinder.  See the back up light and hand grab ready for the ladder to come.

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A back up light and ladder (made from N gauge track with every other tie cut out) and hand hold were added to give more detail.  The first shorter Vanderbilt CT also got new ladder and hand hold.  The CT was painted with Krylon semi gloss black spray can paint.

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Decals were applied and sealed with clear spray paint.  The 50 year old decals had to be sprayed with clear before applying as they disintegrated in the  water.

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The new, longer Vanderbilt Coal tender is only one inch longer than the first one and the same length of the longer Lionel 6 wheel CT sold with longer engines.  The big boy CT sure makes the shorter one look stubbier.  The longer CT and the longer Lionel 2065 will not quit fit on my turntable so the get to stay on the layout cruising.

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Charlie

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