@AmFlyer posted:How about a Legacy E8 for my passenger trains? Again, I am likely to buy whatever Lionel makes next.
What is wrong with AM’s E8 apart from it not having Legacy? I can’t see Lionel producing an E8 all the time AM have them available.
I have three AM E8's converted to TMCC/Railsounds. They are great looking engines. The design of the AM drive system limits the ability to use large cruise commander boards, large speakers with good enclosures and of course no room for fan driven smoke. Pulling 6 Budd style coaches they cannot maintain a constant speed up and down 2% grades with a cruise Lite board. With 9 coaches they stall on a grade. Other than appearance there is a night and day difference in performance and sounds compared to a recent U36 , ES44Ac or an SD70ACe. Even my AM Alco PA/PA set, both units powered TMCC engines do not perform nearly as well as a recent Lionel Legacy diesel. The AM PA's look a lot better than the Lionel PA's. Same is true for my AM Trainmaster diesels. If Lionel made a Legacy version as nicely detailed as the SD70's or ES44's I would buy several.
What I find amazing is that this is supposed to be the forum for all the AF folks, but the survey only has 236 views. Is that how few people are on the S forum here? On the S scale Facebook page we have over 1600 members. I'm always being told how S scale is the minority.... so where is everyone?
@jonnyspeed posted:What I find amazing is that this is supposed to be the forum for all the AF folks, but the survey only has 236 views. Is that how few people are on the S forum here? On the S scale Facebook page we have over 1600 members. I'm always being told how S scale is the minority.... so where is everyone?
Obviously, not a lot of AF Folks (or Scale guys either) are interested in a place called "O Gauge Railroading," in spite of the fact that the Forum Folks have allowed an S sub-forum.
If it's any consolation, the Flyer S-Trains io group hasn't exactly been a ball of fire either. That group has 199 members vs 988 for the S-Scale io group.
Maybe the "hard core" Flyer Folks simply aren't all that interested in forums.
Rusty
There is another S gauge forum that is reasonably active, at least as many posts and views as here. Most are Gilbert operators. There are very few S gaugers there that also post here. That might be part of our issue.
Well I must admit I did not respond as my buying days are over. It would take something really special that I didn't even know I wanted to get me to purchase.
I know the S scale Facebook has 1600 members or whatever they are called. American Flyer Facebook has over 3000. NASG has what 1500 or 1600. What does this mean? No clue. The various forums here at one time had 10,000 I believe. How many actually post? How many are one and done (the endless "found this box in the attic etc. what's it worth" post).
I am just thinking trying to judge any meaningful results from social media would be difficult at best. Contrary to what some of our 3 rail brethren say, this forum is social media. So how many serious S scale/ gauge people are there? Does anybody know?
Maybe Rusty is right, the serious modelers are working on the railroad and have no interest in any of this. Not like me who just spent time posting who knows what. 
@Rusty Traque posted:Obviously, not a lot of AF Folks (or Scale guys either) are interested in a place called "O Gauge Railroading," in spite of the fact that the Forum Folks have allowed an S sub-forum.
If it's any consolation, the Flyer S-Trains io group hasn't exactly been a ball of fire either. That group has 199 members vs 988 for the S-Scale io group.
Maybe the "hard core" Flyer Folks simply aren't all that interested in forums.
Rusty
Hey Rusty,
I think that's a very valid point. Most local train people I know into O, S and HO, do not frequent social media (forums)
@jonnyspeed posted:
Question... If you aren't interested in buying trains why comment on a survey for new products? That confuses me. It is exactly the reason I mentioned "are willing to purchase" in the survey. Lionel is only interested in what they can sell I'm sure.
I don't know how many folks you were referring to, don't be to confused, I for one stated, "I don't think so", BUT, if a Legacy Hudson would appear on the horizon I might well be persuaded, especially if it might fit Milw. Rd. configuration. There may be more "BUTS" here than you suspect. I don"t have the spendable income I had while working but, I can be tempted.
I do agree, it would be nice if more people would chime in on this topic, S people are definitely different folks from Lionel people. We, especially, AF people, think ourselves maybe a little more like scale people. We, in general don't so much go for the Halloween types of cars but at the same time might be willing to buy Christmas cars, maybe just tradition. I don't know, just my humble opinion.
Ray
