Lionel 2018 volume 2

In my previous post,  I mentioned I had hoped one day Lionel would offer any Soo Line steamer with Legacy, as in "Legacy control".  I also did a quick search for some images of a prototype.   The description in the Lionel 2018 C2 book  states the locomotives are shown in a USRA design with other railroads using a mountain design later on.  Anyway, here's an image I found of a Soo Line 4-8-2.  

Soo Line Light Mountain 1Lionel 1931110 Light Mountain SOO Line

 

This is overall not that bad of a volume 2 of a 2018 catalog. When it comes to what I am interested in, there are quite a few things that I give Lionel props for:

I am probably gonna pre-order one of the SP A-6 Atlantic's, the daylight looks beautiful but I am most likely gonna look at one of the black Atlantics since I already have a lot of my SP roster in daylight paint. I'm very surprised they brought those back after all of these years and they are a great addition to the 2018 lineup.

The RS-11's I am also very interested in, most particularly the Conrail and Burlington Northern schemes. I have a Delaware & Hudson model with an older odyssey that I wouldn't mind switching out for a newer model.

The bunk, tool, and kitchen cars definitely caught my eye, I'm not sure what road I would get but I would not mind giving them a try although the detail on the bunk cars leave something to be desired.

When it comes to the reefers with freight sounds, I may have to buy a few to give them a try. However, I can't help but notice the comments about the questionable sound issues that have occurred with those in the past. Makes me wonder if they are actually worth the money, I might wait and see how things play out when they come out.

I decide to closer examine the listing for the traditional GRAND TRUNK WESTERN auto racks. They have a clear numbering error the cars are numbered in 5 digits. This GTW auto rack flat car series is 6 digits 504000-504099. Here is a photo of the real freight car GTW 504054. 

GTW 504054 blue

The greatly increased price of these flat cars with auto racks means that every printed detail has to be right. 

The price for the tiny O gauge auto racks on flat cars is getting close to the price of the huge O Scale auto racks on flat cars.

Grand Trunk Western is my local railroad. There are photos showing the correct numbers and graphics.

Andrew

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I got a print copy of the catalog and the die-cast trucks for the O gauge auto racks are the old-fashioned Journal Bearing trucks. The Maxi-Stack cars have roller bearing trucks. The O gauge auto racks need to have the modern roller bearing trucks with couplers that are sprung to swing in curves. Even though they are not 1:48th or 1:64th scale cars they could at least have the right trucks.

Andrew

I'll be reaching out to Mr. Muffins trains and against my better judgement I'm going to give Lionel another chance on the Lionel 1942210 Armor Yellow BX-50-31 40' DD express boxcars.  I think I'll forego the risk on a 6 car set and just purchase 2.  I'm hoping they look nice and color match my 3rd Rail Alco PA and GGD Harriman passenger cars.

Lionel 1942210

My quick assessment:

1.)   Pretty sure these are the old Weaver design with Lionel trucks, but LionScale is supposed to be "Special" so I'll reserve judgement until I actually inspect the delivered model.

2.)   Union Pacific B-50-25 & B-50-31 Express Box cars were nominal 40' double door cars but for fast package delivery so they were shorter. 8'6" inside. (I believe this is why when looking at proportions in photographs some modelers and manufacturers mistake them for 50' cars.)

3.)   For Higher speeds the B-50-25 (9100-9199) had Symington-Gould High Speed Trucks. B-50-31 9200-9209 had Barber Stabilized Trucks, 9210-9219 were equipped with Allied Full Cushioned Trucks, 9220-9229 were equipped with Elsey Trucks.  None of the makers will bother with accurate trucks so I'm certain Lionel will deliver them with generic Bettendorf style trucks.  I'll live with that.  If they come with 100 ton roller bearing trucks I'm going to be angry.

4.)   They seem to have gotten the classification correct but the dates wrong.  Early scheme cars were B-50-25 & B-50-31. Repainted TTG in 1946, then repainted Armor Yellow in 1952 along with designation change to BX-50-25 & BX-50-31.  However, the build dates for the B-50-25 9100 series should be 8/39(9100-9108), 9/39(9109-9189) or 10/39(9190-9199).  Build dates for the B-50-31 9200 series should be 2-41(9200-9209), 12-40(99210-9219), 1-41(9220-9229).  OM dated for the yellow should be around 12-52.

5.)   Double doors should only have the Placard Board on the right hand door, not both.

6.)   Photo evidence shows some details varied depending when the cars were in painting or shop.

My Hope:

1.) They look nice, have good build quality, and reasonably accurate details.

2.)  Lionel releases them next in the 1946-52 TTG scheme.

Union Pacific Historical Society, as usual, is a fantastic resource.

Specifically The Streamliner Vol. 5 No. 4, which has in depth information, UP build design schematics, numbering and painting details.  Also has several high quality and wonderful photos.  

UPHS The Streamliner Vol.5 No. 4 cover

UPHS The Streamliner Vol.5 No. 4 Pg. 4

UPHS The Streamliner Vol.5 No. 4 Pg. 7

UPHS The Streamliner Vol.5 No. 4 Pg. 19

 

 

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WITZ 41 posted:

My quick assessment:

3.)   For Higher speeds the B-50-25 (9100-9199) had Symington-Gould High Speed Trucks. B-50-31 9200-9209 had Barber Stabilized Trucks, 9210-9219 were equipped with Allied Full Cushioned Trucks, 9220-9229 were equipped with Elsey Trucks.  None of the makers will bother with accurate trucks so I'm certain Lionel will deliver them with generic Bettendorf style trucks.  I'll live with that.  If they come with 100 ton roller bearing trucks I'm going to be angry.

 

UPHS The Streamliner Vol.5 No. 4 Pg. 7

WITZ, If you order cars 9205 and 9209 and you can put some Quailty Craft diecast or Athern O plastic Symington trucks under them; buy 9211 and 9217 and you can order replacement Allied trucks from Atlas O and be that much closer to prototype.  That's my plan.  I've put a pair of Quality Craft made Symington-like trucks under the K-Line version.

Weaver is dead, long live Weaver!

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Well I preordered the SFRD refrigerator car with freight sounds. First thing I've preordered in years. I was undecided about it but figured it might be hard to find later. I wanted it as it matches the other scale Lionel SFRD refrigerator cars I have in my GFX train hauled by "cat whisker" ABBA F3s.

Santa Fe, All the Way

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