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As far as everyone has heard the 15th of this month. No idea if dealers have or when will they have copies available. The typical good scenario is they have them about a week before the date and may or may not give them out depending on what dealer you have. I know I can inquire about what's there maybe a few days before(catalog or what's in it), but I usually just wait like most people do.

I would like to see more New Haven steam locomotives, especially the I-4 Pacific. Lionel could use their existing tooling for the USRA pacific, in particular the chasis and running gear, and make a new boiler (die cast or a brass hybrid). They should also consider offering it in a passenger set like the Merchants Limited or Yankee Clipper. 

A USRA heavy mikado decorated as a J-2 would be nice to see as well and Lionel already has the tooling.

New Haven 1359

NYNH&H mikado 3100

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@Bob posted:

"Several F3 sets were listed in the 2020 Vol. 1 catalog, but not in Tuscan for PRR fans."

PRR fans should know that PRR never had any tuscan F-3's.  They were all dark green locomotive enamel and all had a single stipe.  None had 5 stripes.

If anyone cares...

 

I'm glad you pointed that out.  Also, I do not believe any F7s were painted Tuscan Red (the FP7 was w/5-stripes because it was able to do passenger duty, although it very seldom did).

@RickO posted:

Hmmmmm. Light Mikados for the umpteenth time? Lionel makes those about every 2 catalogs. If we're lucky they will either lose, or wear out the tooling

@RickO posted:

Hmmmmm. Light Mikados for the umpteenth time? Lionel makes those about every 2 catalogs. If we're lucky they will either lose, or wear out the tooling.

Perhaps we could see a new USRA steam locomotive in the new catalog, I'm thinking the USRA light 2-10-2. It would be a viable locomotive to tool up and the reason is how many road names can be put on them and hasn't been done in O scale while in HO it seems to have done well. USRA light 2-10-2

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@Bob posted:

"Several F3 sets were listed in the 2020 Vol. 1 catalog, but not in Tuscan for PRR fans."

PRR fans should know that PRR never had any tuscan F-3's.  They were all dark green locomotive enamel and all had a single stipe.  None had 5 stripes.

 

@CAPPilot posted:

I'm glad you pointed that out.  Also, I do not believe any F7s were painted Tuscan Red (the FP7 was w/5-stripes because it was able to do passenger duty, although it very seldom did).

The first two PRR FP7 ABA sets (9832A-9832B-9833A and 9834A-9834B-9835A) were painted in the passenger scheme of Tuscan Red with five Buff stripes. (FP7s were F7s with a four foot stretch to accomodate additional water.)

Given the basic resemblance between the F3, F7 and FP7, I suppose if Lionel produced a tuscan PRR F7, or even a F3 , it would be close enough to satisfy many folks.

@Terrance posted:

The only hints/teasers are NYC and Pennsylvania ?

Well, yeah. That is basically like saying there is a chance of sun or rain during the spring season. You're going to have both most likely. As for what, it's anyone's guess since there is a wide variety of motive power as well as rolling stock. So, either way if they don't release an engine but so release a car or two, their bases are covered.

I would really like to see something that hasn't made the light of day. Of course that is vague, but there have been a lot of great suggestions with each catalog approaching. See what comes out.

@breezinup posted:

The first two PRR FP7 ABA sets (9832A-9832B-9833A and 9834A-9834B-9835A) were painted in the passenger scheme of Tuscan Red with five Buff stripes. (FP7s were F7s with a four foot stretch to accomodate additional water.)

Given the basic resemblance between the F3, F7 and FP7, I suppose if Lionel produced a tuscan PRR F7, or even a F3 , it would be close enough to satisfy many folks.

It would be great if Lionel extended their F unit frame a scale 4 ft and made a Fp7 body tool. I think the FL9’s were the same length. I hope they will consider properly tooling both FP7’s & FL9’s in Legacy.

Ill take a PRR FP7 Tuscan 5 stripe ABA (Superbass B)

& a New Haven FL9 AA set with matching 21” cars!

@Terrance posted:

The only hints/teasers are NYC and Pennsylvania ?

Ryan did give us a "preview" in the virtual york event. I linked the video at the slide in his presentation. Essentially its just small portions of the products where you can't really see what they are. However, it looks like the pictures tease PRR cars in the Fleet of Modernism scheme and NYC cars in the pacemaker(?) scheme. Hopefully there is more PRR stuff than just that. 

Later in the presentation, Ryan says to expect Strasburg road name products in both traditional-O and scale lines in the not-so-distant future. By the sound of it, we're not going to see scale Strasburg products in this catalog. I started a thread to discuss this a while back if anyone wants to get more detailed on this. 

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

@Prr7688 posted:

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

 

That’s like expecting the cable company to show up on time. You can never predict when Lionel (or really any manufacturer) will ship your product. I ordered the Lionel 2031230 back in October and it still hasn’t arrived. The expected date was originally June but now it’s sometime this month. 

@Prr7688 posted:

Please excuse the ignorant (ignorant?) question but whats the delivery timeline like for Lionel? I.e. Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

This could also depend on your local train store and how they get things as well. Mine doesn't get direct from Lionel as some others do, so whenever I hear so and so has gotten a delivery, it may be a few weeks after that or even a month. Whatever the delivery schedule says, add a month or to that, and if you don't hear the shops that get theirs direct from Lionel, sounds like there are shipping problems.

@Prr7688 posted:

Typically how many months after the catalog's release does it take for rolling stock to arrive? Legacy diesel? Legacy Steam? 

I know that there isn't a 'set' amount of time, and I realize this varies due to a number of factors, but just trying to get an idea. Also I understand products from this catalog may take longer to reach us due to whats going on in the world right now.

A major factor is something Lionel has limited control over, which is the schedules of the manufacturers in the Far East. Their production is limited, so not everything is made at once. Some things get made, and when those are completed, then the next batch of things enters the production cycle, and so on.

Even beyond that, these manufacturers themselves have other factors to deal with, over which they have limited control, such as material supplies and labor consideratons. The bottom line is that the manufacturing process for model trains does not usually go like clockwork, and scheduling variations are inevitable. I'm sure Lionel would like nothing better than to get their products into customer hands as soon as possible, and have the money coming in, but much of that is outside of their control.

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@breezinup posted:

A major factor is something Lionel has limited control over, which is the schedules of the manufacturers in the Far East. Their production is limited, so not everything is made at once. Some things get made, and when those are completed, then the next batch of things enters the production cycle, and so on.

Even beyond that, these manufacturers themselves have other factors to deal with, over which they have limited control, such as material supplies and labor consideratons. The bottom line is that the manufacturing process for model trains does not usually go like clockwork, and scheduling variations are inevitable. I'm sure Lionel would like nothing better than to get their products into customer hands as soon as possible, and have the money coming in, but much of that is outside of their control.

Don't forget any potential hangups at the originating port, destination port and customs.

Rusty

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