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Got this notice from a hobby shop about an hour ago. Don't see it at the Lionel site yet.

"Lionel - Good news: the new Lionel 2021 Big Book Catalogs just arrived (early this time).  Stop by and pick up a catalog whilst supplies last or you can access the catalog on-line at the Lionel web site."

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Our hobby shop called us today, so off to Nashville we go in the morning. It’s one of the best times of year there is, sitting back in the recliner, a cup of coffee, and total involvement in the newest and greatest toy train book ever. It takes our minds off everyday situations that we have no control over, and that’s why our model railroads are Our best friends. It’s the best hobby I know of. Happy Railroading Everyone 955DA63D-91E2-4670-9B83-E051E93CACC211D7A50B-7D55-4C0C-B214-0621F10A72D6

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Nothing yet seen that's of great interest.  Nice that camelbacks being offered w/ Legacy & whistle steam ...but at $650 MSRP, I'll happily stick w/ my two TMCC versions.  The modern powered (Acela?) Polar Express is interesting to see offered but again at a steep price and 0-72 minimum curve that approaches what I paid for my first car in the '80's which IIRC had a tighter turning radius.  Maybe it's the almost yearlong covid experience funk talking (or could be I've come to realize I have more than enough stuff acquired over the last 20yrs and for me, today's pricing structure has taken some of the shine off the new catalog aspect of the hobby.  I'll likely look to direct more time into improving the layout and performing routine maintenance tasks.  Hopefully in 6 to 9 months we'll see the return of train shows/meets that will rekindle my fire, although I think my eye will be favoring pre-war or modern tinplate.

We are arguably in the era of the big (wish book size) catalog that offers many items but contingent on a designated amount of confirmed pre-orders.  With Lionel's de-facto return to the lone mass-marketer of O-gauge, it'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the next 3 to 7 years.

@scott.smith posted:

Did they get Tom Hanks.."All Aboard, this is the Broken Express."

Scott Smith

Scott you seem bitter.

As for the pictures being deleted, at first I thought it was probably the right thing to do but in reality, they'll just get posted somewhere else.  Why drive the traffic away unless Lionel has an issue with it being a sponsor but then they would have to try to have the other forums remove them as well.  It's not OGR's or the folks posting the pictures fault that the catalogs are on the streets already.

I remember 1 year Lionel did an awesome job of holding a catalog release that wasn't full of leaks.  Now it seems there are just too many holes in that dike to keep plugging.

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@Keith L posted:

Thank you for the link, Keith!  I certainly missed that one.  I'm not surprised the announcement received very mixed reviews here on OGR Forum.    I did not comment over there to reopen a can of worms.    I can see it has value to anyone who wants to embrace it, young or old.  It you don't want to use the feature, you don't have to.

@MartyE posted:

I suspect it has more to do with the app than the engines themselves since it's compatible with all the previous Bluetooth engines.  Seems the app will "Alexify" your command and send out the appropriate commands.

Thank you, Marty.  What you said makes sense indeed.  It is the app that is communicating with the engine, whether the app takes it's instructions from the touch screen or the mic and voice recognition will be irrelevant to the engine.  Referring to the previous topic Keith linked, it doesn't add to the cost of the engine like some would think.  I recall when you demonstrated the then new LCS over at Patrick H's house a few years ago.  I think a lot of folks are now using it who thought they never would back then.

Where'd the Veranda and other Acela photos go?

You know, I'd actually be substantially tempted by a Veranda Turbine in a General Electric demonstrator scheme, as I am far more interested in these locomotives than I am in the UP, as such.

GE built  all the UP's GTELs, and did indeed paint the first GTEL for the UP (UP never owned it, though) in a GE scheme, before it went yellow.

@D500 posted:

You know, I'd actually be substantially tempted by a Veranda Turbine in a General Electric demonstrator scheme, as I am far more interested in these locomotives than I am in the UP, as such.

GE built  all the UP's GTELs, and did indeed paint the first GTEL for the UP (UP never owned it, though) in a GE scheme, before it went yellow.

Your wallet is safe D. No GE but 6 other fantasy schemes.

Pete

@Norton posted:

Your wallet is safe D. No GE but 6 other fantasy schemes.

Pete

A relief. A disappointment. Much like my PRR S-1 6-4-4-6 Pilot version that did not show up in the last catalogue.

But, that Pacemaker L2a Mohawk...aren't there laws against that? And a train to go with it!

And, Lionel - how about a full-valve-geared and can-motored version of your "old" L3a Mohawk? MTH-facilitated or not, that was way before Korea Brass and lawsuits.

I have to say I learned something thanks to the catalog. I had never heard of the Cardinals train. I first thought it said the Cardinal, now an Amtrak train. I saw the red cars and thought is was another fantasy scheme, then discovered the train existed if only for a few weeks. Lionel's version is somewhat accurate even to the cab number on the NYC Pacific. At nearly 2900 bucks for an engine and 7 cars I will be admiring it from a distance.

Pete

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@eddie g posted:

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

If they didn't sell they wouldn't make them.  Someone is buying them and if I recall Ryan once said they are some of the bigger sellers.

I certainly don't care for many of them but if it helps fund other prototypical projects then I say make 'em.

@eddie g posted:

I have the catalog. A lot of fantasy items. I don't understand how those items sell. Kids don't care about that stuff any more.

Well, some of us are not strictly “model railroaders” but “toy train operators.” And of course most of us are somewhere along that spectrum.  It’s almost like it’s two different hobbies divided by a common three rail track! As a person on the “toy train operator/collector “ end of that spectrum I don’t mind having fantasy items running on my traditional sized 4x8 layout. I’m sure Lionel’s catalog is trying to serve both modelers and toy operators.

@MartyE posted:

Approx $1649.99 from the quick look i saw yesterday when the pics were still up.

Thanks Marty, that is most definitely intriguing.

I wish someone would post the full catalog description of its features - I can live without fantasy scheme mock-up images. (I wonder most of all what they have done with the sound compared with the TMCC version - phased diesel and then turbine or something else?)

I suspect a new Legacy Veranda would have at least the TMCC model's features, which were pretty good BTW.

Yes, they were, and indeed still are even by today’s O 3-rail standards. But I’ll reserve judgment on what Lionel’s offering now until I can see the actual catalog text feature description. From the blurry copy I have seen online, there are no less than 10 different schemes but I’m not sure they have the synchronized diesel and then turbine sounds and smoke the TMCC version has.

The acelas (amtrak, amtrak concept, new haven, PRR, UP, Milwaukee Rd, SF, polar express) all feature 2 powered units with sound and automatic pantographs. 3 Passenger cars in the standard set include manually operating doors, lights figures, automatic tilt. Expansion pack, additional 2 cars with features above +1 station sounds diner (cafe car). Min curve O-72

@Joe Fermani posted:

I don't mind fantasy road names. I ordered the genset PRR from the last catalog. I know Pennsy did not have them but it looked good and it gives me more variety to run. Visitors always like the various features of the locs and the flappers on the smoke stacks is cool. Since I'm not a rivet counter it doesn't bother me.

bro i love fantasy stuff

from what i've seen its gonna be hard looking through this thing with out wishing i had a few grand, o72 curves and a decent AC power supply

cough pacemaker cough strasburg camel cough us army with shark face turbine cough

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