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Unless Lionel decides to change this at a factory level you're not getting a special run / different tender out of a dealer. The justification of running a run of 25-50 tenders including frames, trucks, shells, etc isn't even close to financially reasonable. I would assume that Lionel explored what options are available to them in terms of tender tooling and if this is what they settled on, then this is what they feel is the best option they have available. This is one of those situations where I think you settle, or you're going to be scratch building a tender and transplanting electronics.

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@Notch 6 posted:

Well then I guess you won't be buying it. You're not going to twist their arm into switching the tender this late in the game. This catalog has likely been done for months, I can't ever recall a time where Lionel has switched tender tooling that drastically after an item was cataloged.

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@Notch 6 posted:

Unless Lionel decides to change this at a factory level you're not getting a special run / different tender out of a dealer. The justification of running a run of 25-50 tenders including frames, trucks, shells, etc isn't even close to financially reasonable. I would assume that Lionel explored what options are available to them in terms of tender tooling and if this is what they settled on, then this is what they feel is the best option they have available. This is one of those situations where I think you settle, or you're going to be scratch building a tender and transplanting electronics.

It hasn't not been done though. Nicholas Smith had a custom run of PRR K4's with E6 tenders. Although, I think this was the same year as the Harding Funeral Train which featured K4 with E6 tender.

That being said, the USRA engine itself is so much longer that 31 that it still wouldn't look right. You can put lipstick on a pig....

Wow, I thought I was the only one that would care about this lol.  That's great that there are so many 31 fans out there.  I was super excited to see this engine in the book but that tender is brutal.  If they don't fix it, then I will have to modify one.  However, if enough people reach out to Lionel perhaps maybe they'll listen.  Keep up the fight!  The mogul tenders would look soooooo much better on this engine than what they have pictured!

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There seems to be a delicate balance between what locomotive size and electronic features.

Dave mentioned on the live stream that in order to get a more accurate offering of 31, then they would not be able to jam the electronic features in. Seems like they could it like the 150th anniversary 4-4-0 where the locomotives do not have sound or smoke - not sure if people would still bite for these or not.

I think that we would get a scale N&W 475 before a scale 31 out of Lionel. Those N&W 4-8-0's have a large following because of 475's Strasburg fame and the Abington Line's fame.

I’d be more concerned with what’s in them as far as electronics. They said it’s a tight fit. I’m still peeved about the last run of 0-8-0’s that came with the Flyer board in them. They lauded the fact the engine now had a tether that would pretty much eliminate stalling. At the speed it travels. Stalling is not a problem. Slow speed switching is the problem.

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