Lionel 460 and Other Non Electrical Accessories

I agree, fun and simple. I have wanted one of these for a while.

Good video, that's pretty clever. Do the vans stay on the flatcar OK going around a layout, without special attachments?

The giraffe and cop-hobo operating cars don't have motors but those are too goofy for my liking.

Ace,

I have not run mine around the layout yet, but it looks like if you set the trailers down on the correct recessed spots, they would be fine,  unless the operator goes too fast as kids are apt to do.

I have a giraffe car; I thought kids would like it; but I don't have a cop-hobo car.

#346, #419, #443/#943

There was an accessory that used the same base as the 460, but it had a derrick instead of the trailer lifter. It came with two Atomic energy containers (no lens or lights) with a wire bale across the top. The number was 462. It has been redone in the modern era.

Have they done the 460 trailer set in the modern era?

#347

#470

C W Burfle posted:

There was an accessory that used the same base as the 460, but it had a derrick instead of the trailer lifter. It came with two Atomic energy containers (no lens or lights) with a wire bale across the top. The number was 462. It has been redone in the modern era.

 

 #462

Good video, that's pretty clever. Do the vans stay on the flatcar OK going around a layout, without special attachments?

The flatcar has a bracket to hold the vans in place, as shown in the video above. The same bracket was used on the automobile cars.

In the video, it does not look like things were completely aligned when the person picked up the trailer. There are depressions in the 460' base, the bracket on the flat, the bumps on the lifting arm, and sockets on the underside of the trailer. With just a little care, the trailer should land quite nicely on the flatcar and the platform.

I don't remember ever losing a trailer except for in a derail.

Wasn't one of the pre-war tower cranes manual, and a coal loaders conveyor belt too?

   Not user operated, but the first gunfighter car's movements were purely mechanical. Clock works ratcheting off a cam located on one axle powered it (not the later see-saw type). Not to forget the car versions of a lot mentioned already (heli, satillite, IRBM, and the vertical rocket launch car (or was that operated by un-coupler track? [Been 40 years since I launched off one].

What was the difference between the 443 and 470 missile platforms?

I have Lionel #6470 and 16719 exploding boxcars which use a simple mousetrap-type mechanism. But I glued my cars together to keep them from falling apart. I don't want them getting damaged in explosions.

Rob, CW, Adriatic, Ace,

Thanks for all the examples!  I see a lot are the military/space/atomic energy category as I call it.  I have never had any cars or accessories of that nature.  And my uncle was an aerospace engineer who worked with Werner von Braun on the Saturn V rockets. 

I did have an Explosives car, Ace, but as you said it kept falling apart, so I included it in a box of train stuff I donated to an organization that builds train sets to give to underprivileged kids.  I thought their experts may know how to keep it together until it was time to explode. 

Since I had no trains growing up until I bought my own Tyco HO set in the late '60s I missed out on all this fun!!  It was the cheapest set I could find. 

Yes that nuclear loader does look to have the same base as the piggy back.  I agree with CW, if you line up right and set the trailer down where it belongs, it will stay on the car at the speeds (or lack thereof) I run.  When I have kids over, there will defiantly be some speed control or they don't run trains!  Meany, aren't I?

Thank you again, and I will be thankful for any other suggestions.  There are enough electrical things to worry about on a layout, that I like some manual things.  That's coming from a 40-year veteran technician/designer/engineer in the power and telecom industries.  KISS - In my case, emphasis on the second S. 

There should be a pin through the roof of the exploding box car. It is much like a #12 or 14 nail without the point. It holds the car together by disabling the trigger mechanism until you are ready to blow it up.

I have two 460s; no idea why; I was planning to put one on the new layout until I ran out of real estate. So now both will end up for sale with several other accessories.

To answer Adriatic's question, the 443 launcher fires 4 of the small white missiles in sequence, the 470 launcher fires the 1 large Red/White missile.

There is also Sandy Andy, the mechanical coal loader from about 1973.

Chuck Sartor posted:

To answer Adriatic's question, the 443 launcher fires 4 of the small white missiles in sequence, the 470 launcher fires the 1 large Red/White missile.

    Ahh, the photo I choose to follow was labeled incorrectly. It was actually a 470 also. I thought maybe one had a crank handle to aim with, vs pushing the launcher by hand. Thank you Chuck.

The #96 coal tower has a hand crank.  I think it still uses a solenoid for dumping though.

I have the #346 manual Culvert Unloader with a hand crank. It is always a favorite.  

There is a Lionel Coaling Station kit as well that unloads coal by pulling a tab. Reloading is via removing the roof and dumping coal in the top.  The more modern version of this is the 6-12094 but I'm not sure this one operates at all.  I cannot find the number of the older version.  I saw a post (I think on this forum) at some point where someone incorporated a #96/97 coal tower elevator into this building. Very cool!

I was not aware of the #460 piggy back loader, I'll have to watch for one of those.

Kids (of all ages) like the hands on accessories!

Chuck, Yes, I found the Sandy Andy online and see it is a kit.  Looks like it may not be the quality of the earlier pieces.

Andy, Some more good suggestions.  The coal tower looks like a nice one.

Everyone, I will have to keep my eyes open,  Thank you very much!!