hello everyone trainfam here,

I have a question regarding my number 5, I was attempting to run the engine when I noticed that the wheels weren’t gaining traction on the rails. Take a look:

any idea on how to fix this?

 

                                             Trainfam 

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Looks like you have a loose wheel on axle probably the geared wheel opposite the one that is not turning. The loose wheel will have to be staked and realigned.

It's not quartered correctly is it?  (Wheel came loose? bad re-assembly?)

Rod between wheels should be level to frame/track, not angled putting one end high, and the other low. 

Is it new to you, or just the issue is new?  

Front left wheel at 6 o'clock, rear left wheel at 6 o'clock, Front right wheel at either 3 or 9 oclock, and rear right the same as front right; 3 or 9 o'clock. That is what quartering means and a few degree can ruin the day on some models. Others it's just RR visually correct, not really "needed".

Adriatic, this is the second time I have had this issue Accor, the first time was with my number 38, but I have never had a engine with this bad of quartering problems. I also noticed that the axle for the back pair of wheels was raised a little bit. Hard to photograph. I will try to post updates when I get my wheel puller in the mail, but I don’t know how long it will take for it to show up with the plague going around right now and slowing down practically all operating train stores. 

 

                                                  Trainfam 

@TrainFam, great of you to include a video of the issue! Aside from the axle/wheel issues already discussed, also check that the unit isn't held up by the collector shoe.

I got the wheel puller today... but how do I remove the wheels?

 

                                               Trainfam 

Remove the side rods and any other obstructions. Then, align it to the wheel and axle and then tighten it to pull the wheel off. Be very careful to not to put so much pressure as to crack the fragile wheel flanges (or worse!)

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One pair off, now time for the second pair...

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this morning I was able to get the other set of wheels off, and by doing some research on the engine frame, I made the ultimate decision that this locomotive was originally a thick rim engine. What I mean is, is that at some point in its life, this locomotive had its original thick rim wheels were removed and it’s current thin rim wheels were placed on the locomotive. I have a few ideas for why this was done, number one: the original thick rim wheels wheels were so badly damaged that new wheels were needed and thin rim wheels were used as a substitute, replacement. Or number two: the person who restored this knew that thin rim number 5’s are much more valuable than the thick rim number 5’s are, so while he or she restored the engine decided to put thin rim wheels on the locomotive.

 

                                                Trainfam

I will have to get in touch with him later on today, I have a few thick rim wheels in my collection however most are broken. I will post again when I get a hold of harry.

                                             Trainfam

Take great care to press them evenly as bending an axle as you do is very possible. I've used drill presses with/or a "tight vice" (alone,low slop) without bending; but I've pressed gears since I was very young (gramps made special temp/pressure gauges for chrome processing in industry...in the garage, I was his "drill press monkey" preschool and after school) Just be smooth once moving and mindful of too tight a fit to drive in fully (reamer time on non-spline. On splines maybe, but inspections and grinding options are more complex.) 

Wood in the jaws  Use the jaw center, low; as close to the vice-screw as possible. The ends and high jaw are off "true" a degree or two (more like minutes/seconds) Mind rod bosses might need a hole in the wood, some wheels badly need a wheel cup to hold them correctly.

Hi everyone, I just wanted to do a little bit of a update, I cleaned up the commutator last night with a tooth brush. Take a look:

a very quick and easy turnaround.

      

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After doing some research and fooling around with the locomotive. I have decided to send off the number 5 to joe Mania. I think that I have already done all that I can do to this engine on my own, and if you look at all of the tools and machines that joe has, he is probably my best bet for repairing this engine and getting it back to working order. I will update when I can.

 

                                                   Trainfam

 

So in the meantime as my train is being repaired I think I should start looking for some cars for this locomotive. Does anyone know if a freight set was designed for the number five? I have seen some passenger sets but I also feel like I have have heard of the number five being in a freight set. Does anyone know what cars would come with the five?

 

                                                Trainfam 

The 1910 catalog shows just the #5 and the #5 Special (w/ tender), not in sets.

1911-1921 Catalogs shows the #50 outfit has the #5 Special/#51*, 180, 181 and 182 passenger cars.

Th 1913-1923 Catalogs shows the #51 in outfit #43 with two #29 day coaches.

*In 1912, the catalog indicates Lionel renumbered the #5 Special locomotive for the #51 locomotive 

 

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Interesting, I suppose that I could always make up a freight set. I’m going to use 10 series cars based on their size. Any suggestions for what cars I should use? The engine is restored so should I use original cars or restored cars?

 

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