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First off I know this engine isn't technically "scale", so if I'm posting to the wrong forum I apologize in advance. I'm mainly a post-war guy, but I'm seriously considering buying a Lionel 6-18010 Steam Turbine from 1991. I've always wanted one, but never thought I could afford one until now. I've been looking at listings on Ebay, since in all my years of attending the Great Midwest Train Show (held monthly in Wheaton, IL), I've never actually seen one for sale in person. I looked at Ebay sold listing prices, and as recently as November 2021 one was sold pre-owned w/original box for as low as $400. I'm seeing listings now from $447 in C7 condition (pre-owned but with no box), to $699 for one that has O run time (it was a static display) with a so-so condition box. My question is: how much should I pay for one of these engines? The one for $447 seems reasonable, but I'd really like to have an original box. The "new" one is also tempting, but the price seems kinda steep. I realize that with the "new" one, I'd have to do a complete service on it before running it (cleaning out all the old, dried-up grease and such). What do you advise? This isn't something that I have to have right away. I've considered just waiting for the warmer months when train prices always seem to be more reasonable. Your thoughts?

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Lionel 6-18010 was the first SCALE turbine that Lionel made.  Lionel has reissued this engine with TMCC and again with Legacy.  The 1991 version has a pulmor motor and basic railsounds in the tender.  This version is known to have a paint issue.  It normally only affected the engine.  The tender was usually fine.  Some of the engines will have bubbles in the paint.  It is not zinc rot.  My engine has this issue and its been that way for many years.  I converted mine to tmcc with an err board.  I also upgraded the tender to newer railsounds.  The newer models have a can motor and speed control.  You should be able to get this engine for under 500.  The TMCC and Legacy versions usually go for more.  This engine does not have traction tires nor does it have magnetraction.  It relies on weight to be able to pull.  On level track it pulls well.  If you have inclines the wheels may slip.

If you run postwar then this is not the model you want.  It will look a little funny pulling postwar cars as the size difference will be noticeable.

@Joe Fermani posted:

Lionel 6-18010 was the first SCALE turbine that Lionel made.  Lionel has reissued this engine with TMCC and again with Legacy.  The 1991 version has a pulmor motor and basic railsounds in the tender.  This version is known to have a paint issue.  It normally only affected the engine.  The tender was usually fine.  Some of the engines will have bubbles in the paint.  It is not zinc rot.  My engine has this issue and its been that way for many years.  I converted mine to tmcc with an err board.  I also upgraded the tender to newer railsounds.  The newer models have a can motor and speed control.  You should be able to get this engine for under 500.  The TMCC and Legacy versions usually go for more.  This engine does not have traction tires nor does it have magnetraction.  It relies on weight to be able to pull.  On level track it pulls well.  If you have inclines the wheels may slip.

If you run postwar then this is not the model you want.  It will look a little funny pulling postwar cars as the size difference will be noticeable.

Mine wouldn't pull 5 passenger cars up my incline. My MTH Atlantic does. My nephew under cut the rear 2 drivers, put mth rubbers and WOW.

Look for one of the Lionel Century Club Turbines 6-18057. These are identical in size to the postwar 671 and 681 steam turbine locos. They have Railsounds and run great. I have the postwar 671's and the Century Club Turbine and like them very much. If you look around I think you will be able to find a Century Club turbine in about the same price range. They came with a display base and cover which you may or may not want.

In the last few years, I have purchased the TMCC reissue with the elephant ears.  While I really liked the looks of the ‘91 release better with out the elephant ears better, I am really glad I opted for the TMCC one.  While it is an early version of Odessy speed controller on it, it really helps in regulating the speed around curves and the whistle sounds great.

Curious on those with the original ‘91 release, if maintaining a reasonable speed around curves is an issue for it?  Both my Reading T1 and NYC Mohawk from the same 91’ error are difficult to control at a constant speed, fast on the straights and slow on the curves.

Mike

"In the last few years, I have purchased the TMCC reissue with the elephant ears.  While I really liked the looks of the ‘91 release better with out the elephant ears better, I am really glad I opted for the TMCC one.  While it is an early version of Odessy speed controller on it, it really helps in regulating the speed around curves and the whistle sounds great.

Mike

Glad you enjoy it. Impressive engine. I was told the Legacy ones without the elephant ears are missing the front steps because they are part of the ear casting? Do all the conventional and TMCC versions have the steps?

You asked for our friendly advice, this is very close to scale, and looking at the picture in the Lionel 1991 Book 2 catalog, it’s gorgeous. It has lots of great features, 30 inches long, scale long tender, large pull or motor, stainless steel rims,  (possibly making it a modest puller), however some nice rail sounds, bell, whistle. Prices are all over the board, from the November 2021 interchange track $300, to $800 etc. At 31 years young, it’s going to need to be checked out by a good repairman. Yes, 072 curves for sure, the locomotives  rear end has a wide swing and has to mercy on anything in its way. It’s not a command equipped model. So, what I would do, get with Harmonyards, have ERR installed, gunrunner Johns chuff stuff, smoke stuff, and possibly exchange the pullmor motor for a big Pittman motor. Although the wheels with stainless steel rims cause the pulling issue, I would keep them.
Now, if you want the matching Pennsylvania Caboose, I have a new one in the Lionel Box. You may email me privately for pricing. It’s in my profile. (6-51702 Brass Body, scale)
In conclusion, if the locomotive is next to new, between $350-$475, I would be interested. Good luck. Happy Railroading Everyone F2DA58E9-65F6-4B29-86F1-C3A776A99F39

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