Lionel 6-28084 Dreyfuss questions

Hi Jeff 

I have  this engine , great runner. But it doesn't have a fan driven smoke unit , so smoke output  isn't great. Whistle is very nice. 

I can post a video of it tomorrow afternoon/ night  if you want. 

Alex 

Here is a review of both the first MTH Premier Dreyfuss and the Lionel 6-28084.

http://www.toytrainrevue.com/prod-3-3.htm

Hopefully we will see this engine in Legacy with all the great toys.  Great review by Joe.  

Hi Alex, if you can post a video that would be great. Gerry, thank you very much for the link to Toy Train Revue. Very comprehensive.

Yeah, it would be great to see this as a Legacy engine. I feel that it is only a matter of time and hopefully us NYC fans(or those who just admire the design) won't have to wait long. I've been wanting to get one myself, but waiting for a Legacy version(like some).

I've been very happy with it - great runner, enough smoke for me; only downside is 2 chuffs/revolution. 

Jim

Jim, outstanding video. Good view of how well the loco operates. Great sounding chuffs. And, a fantastic layout on which to run the Dreyfuss. Beautiful work.

Thanks, Jeff.

Glad it helped you. 

Jim

The two chuffs was always a deal breaker.  I have two MTH.  The Legacy will be the hot one to get.

It’s a great looking set. Brought ours used and it would not reverse. Upgraded to Cruise Commander M and it runs very nicely. Stationsound car is great.

I replaced the smoke element and batting. Smoke is disappointing so next time I do a parts order to Lionel I will get a fan smoke unit and then one of Guns Super Chuffer units.

Nick

The MTH Dreyfusses are also fine engines. The last run with PS3 has an exquiste paint job. One thing MTH missed though are the roller bearing rods which all of them had. Lionel's Dreyfuss has them and is the only one of their J3s that do.

As for smoke, all the Lionel J3s share the same setup. That includes the two unstreamlined, ESE, and Dreyfuss.

This swap will get you 4 chuffs.

Add a fan smoke unit for 4 puffs.

Pete

Here's a video of mine 

this one will eventually get a fan driven smoke unit, ERR cruise M, super chuffer, chuff generator, and Railsounds 5.0. 

Alex and Nick, Please post pics after you get the super chuffer installed. I wasn't able to find the room which is why I opted for the cam swap.

Also interested to find out if you have been able to locate matching cars.

Pete

From Norton:

"As for smoke, all the Lionel J3s share the same setup. That includes the two unstreamlined, ESE, and Dreyfuss.

This swap will get you 4 chuffs."

Norton,

I see the 4-lobe cam; is this a part you made? A Lionel part? I have never had the loco apart. Obviously it goes on an axle - #1, I suppose - but could you enlighten me a bit as to the disassembly/assembly/new part process for this upgrade? I have mixed/swapped Boxpok/Scullin screw-on drivers on a plain Lionel J3 before, but I never thought about the cam accessibility.  

2-chuffs are the only thing that annoys me about these J3's.

Thanks.... 

D, I started out with some 1/2" square stock and bored the hole and machined the corners until the diagonals equaled the major diameter of the 2 lobe stock cam. I never tried it with the puffer smoke unit which is driven off the same cam but it might work.

To swap cams the rods have to come off plus both front wheels. Not easy if they have never been off because the screws are loctited in.

The stock cam is not very tight and you will be able to drive the axle out. Then press the new cam in.

What takes the most time is centering the square stock in a 4 jaw chuck. Needless to say (I will say it anyway) the hole has to be centered or you will get uneven chuffs.

Pete

Thanks, Norton, uh, Pete. Great, another project...! But it's worth trying one day. Relatively straightforward, not to be confused with easy.

You are right about the driver screws - when I did a Boxpok/Scullin swap  couple of years back I almost messed up a screw head - but I managed to dodge that bullet.

David

D500 posted:

From Norton:

"As for smoke, all the Lionel J3s share the same setup. That includes the two unstreamlined, ESE, and Dreyfuss.

This swap will get you 4 chuffs."

Norton,

I see the 4-lobe cam; is this a part you made? A Lionel part? I have never had the loco apart. Obviously it goes on an axle - #1, I suppose - but could you enlighten me a bit as to the disassembly/assembly/new part process for this upgrade? I have mixed/swapped Boxpok/Scullin screw-on drivers on a plain Lionel J3 before, but I never thought about the cam accessibility.  

2-chuffs are the only thing that annoys me about these J3's.

Thanks.... 

Whoa!!!  Just ran into this!!!!  I'm looking for a 6-28084 Dreyfus at the moment... and, I have the 6-38000 ESE (with both Streamlined & PT tender) this will make my wife *very* happy ...as I don't *have* to upgrade to the ESE Legacy now.

Thanks!

Dennis-LaRock posted:

Whoa!!!  Just ran into this!!!!  I'm looking for a 6-28084 Dreyfus at the moment... and, I have the 6-38000 ESE (with both Streamlined & PT tender) this will make my wife *very* happy ...as I don't *have* to upgrade to the ESE Legacy now.

Thanks!

Dennis;

I picked one up late last year from Grzyboski’s. It was new, in box from a large hoard they picked up somewhere. According to their website, they still have one. It is a beautiful engine, 2 chuffs not withstanding!!!

https://www.grzyboskitrains.co...dreyfuss-hudson-tmcc

Dennis-LaRock posted:

Whoa!!!  Just ran into this!!!!  I'm looking for a 6-28084 Dreyfus at the moment... and, I have the 6-38000 ESE (with both Streamlined & PT tender) this will make my wife *very* happy ...as I don't *have* to upgrade to the ESE Legacy now.

Thanks!

It might be easier to add Gunrunner Johns super chuffer. You'll get improved smoke and four chuffs without the need to manufacture a 4 lobe chuff cam.

 Hers a recent thread with a couple upgraded 2 chuff TMCC steamers: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...l-tmcc-nandw-j-class

RickO posted:

Dennis-LaRock posted:

Whoa!!!  Just ran into this!!!!  I'm looking for a 6-28084 Dreyfus at the moment... and, I have the 6-38000 ESE (with both Streamlined & PT tender) this will make my wife *very* happy ...as I don't *have* to upgrade to the ESE Legacy now.

Thanks!

It might be easier to add Gunrunner Johns super chuffer. You'll get improved smoke and four chuffs without the need to manufacture a 4 lobe chuff cam.

 Hers a recent thread with a couple upgraded 2 chuff TMCC steamers: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...l-tmcc-nandw-j-class

The cam replaces the "chuff generator", not the "super chuffer".  You either need a lathe or a lot of patience to make the cam but if you have a lathe it only takes a few minutes to make and the cost is almost nothing. If you do not design or know of a design to drive the chuff input and fan motor then the Super Chuffer is your best option. The cam by itself will not give four puffs on this engine and requires a small additional circuit to do that. 

Installing the cam on either of Lionel's streamline Hudsons will be more difficult than on the unsteamlined J3 because their wheels are pressed where the latter's wheels are held on with screws. Quartering skills needed on the Dreyfuss and ESE.

Tinkerers only need apply.

Pete

Thanks Ricko!  After reading the link you provided I have a few of other projects for GRJs Super Chuffer... including a 6-18056 J1-e and others.  I'll give the CAM(s) a go as I have a drill press, grinders, calipers, tap & dies, lathe and stock steel (including stainless) etc.  A fan driven smoke unit will indubitably follow.

Dennis-LaRock posted:

Thanks Ricko!  After reading the link you provided I have a few of other projects for GRJs Super Chuffer... including a 6-18056 J1-e and others.  I'll give the CAM(s) a go as I have a drill press, grinders, calipers, tap & dies and stock steel (including stainless) etc.  A fan driven smoke unit will indubitably follow.

 

Dennis, these come with fan driven smoke units but they are wired to run continuously when smoke is turned on. You can improve their output with a resistor and batting change but for 4 puffs another circuit is needed, either GRJ's, one published on this forum (puff and chuff) or your own.

Pete

Thanks Pete!  I haven't quite gotten to the point of building my own boards yet so GRJ's will definitely be in order.  My soldering skills picked up immeasurably now that I have the Hakko and an articulated lighted magnifier <--- @ 64 crap is hard to see!

I just checked and while the ESE comes with a fan smoke unit, the Dreyfuss still has a puffer unit like the unstreamlined J3 so a fan unit would be needed. Not sure if I used the one from the Niagara or ESE when I upgraded mine but either will fit.

Pete

Pete... I have pullers and a press ...and have done quartering.  I also use a dot of Loctite 680 (Thanks GRJ) when reassembling.  I may also be fearless to a fault!!!!

Norton posted:

I just checked and while the ESE comes with a fan smoke unit, the Dreyfuss still has a puffer unit like the unstreamlined J3 so a fan unit would be needed. Not sure if I used the one from the Niagara or ESE when I upgraded mine but either will fit.

Pete

You are on a roll!!!! 

The BOSS *told* me I have to brush and shock the pool... darn it...

throw in mow the lawn