$2600 and still bidding on evilbay.. Crazy, crazy, crazy...
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is this for real?@Woodson posted:$2600 and still bidding on evilbay.. Crazy, crazy, crazy...
What does the bid history look like?
Is it two people duking it out (in which case it's probably fake), or are there many lemmings trying to jump off the cliff?
Mike
Only two bidders since it got to $780.
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:What does the bid history look like?
Is it two people duking it out (in which case it's probably fake), or are there many lemmings trying to jump off the cliff?
Mike
I agree, or they must have unlimited spending money.
Probably a conspiracy between the seller and bidders lol or BOTS
Shill bidders, or people just playing games. Likely the latter.
I saw scale legacy PE locos get bid over 10 grand last year. One of the sellers was a forum member. Bidders retracted and never paid.
There's a good chance this one will be relisted in a day or two once the seller realizes there will be no payout.
Since the formal announcement on Friday. These have been selling for around the $600 mark give or take.
Especially since there are others with a buy it now of 800 and supposedly new.
Shill bidding, the two interlocked right after it got $750, then the last probably real bidder dropped out.
And they just went all the way to $2600.
They didn't even do a good job of hiding it.
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There's also a slightly used one for $483 buy it now.
@Tony H posted:Only two bidders since it got to $780.
$780.00 almost makes sense given the hysteria of the last few days, $2,600.00 definitely doesn't.
Mike
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:What does the bid history look like?
Is it two people duking it out (in which case it's probably fake), or are there many lemmings trying to jump off the cliff?
Mike
Only two.....
On a side note. The old Tmcc 12969 cab1 and base set is bidding up over $200.
I guess an old remote is better than no remote, or one with a really expensive base.
If it's real, it's insane!!!
@gunrunnerjohn posted:There's also a slightly used one for $483 buy it now.
Yes, from a reliable seller, IMO.. 2 more sold for $800.. That's insane also!!
Yesterday, a 990 command set sold for $1,601. Makes me wonder if the sale for $2,600 may have been real.
As they say, there is a sucker born every minute if those prices are true. A 990 control system is just that, I can't see it becoming much of a collectors item any time soon. I realize that sometimes odd things, like certain record albums, become big ticket items but often it is because they are rarities *shrug*. Lots of consumer items get discontinued, few of them become collectible *shrug*.
I'm just so glad I grabbed a 993 off of Amazon $282 the week before the catalog announcement.
Theres one for over $500 with 6 days to go. I guess this is a good indication of how folks feel about the Legacy handheld.
If you think about it. If someone buys a $2400 VL locomotive, and wants a handheld that accesses ALL of the legacy features, what choice do they have?
Ironically, theres a DCS system currently at $202 with only two days left. T
I'm really suprised Lionel is dropping this piece of hardware. I always thought it was cool design and no doubt took an lot of talent and time to design and develope. A phone app just doesn't compare regardless of what some might say.
Just sent my one copy into Lionel today for repair. Very thankful they are still agreeing to support on the repair end.
Bidding $2600.00. They’re probably the same people that complain about Lionel pricing.
My son and I saw that auction as well. He told me I should get my brand new one out of the closet and sell it. I am currently using a used 990 in excellent condition, that I bought last July and paid $260.00 for. I also have a brand new 1.6 set I bought last January of 2021, for $364.84 + shipping. For a total $410.17, glad I bought a lot of my stuff before the prices got ridiculous.
Makes me appreciate conventional operation.
Steve
I'm amused at the prices this stuff is going at, I'm glad I have my stock of Legacy and DCS control systems. 
I got (2) brand new ones in the box I am going to sell to supplement my retirement in a few months!
Donald
@RideTheRails posted:Makes me appreciate conventional operation.
Steve
Only if you waited until 15 years after it was introduced to buy one.
Back on day one, or more precisely not long afterward, I got my 990 set for free.
That's right. Free.
Buy a JLC Big Boy, get a free 990 Command Set, to celebrate the launch of Legacy, and encourage people to get both.
I still have them, and they still work just fine (knock on wood of course).
Taking advantage of that special offer made me appreciate Legacy command control, rather than conventional operation, after being focused almost solely on conventional for 45 years before that.
Mike
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:Only if you waited until 15 years after it was introduced to buy one.
Back on day one, or more precisely not long afterward, I got my 990 set for free.
That's right. Free.
Buy a JLC Big Boy, get a free 990 Command Set, to celebrate the launch of Legacy, and encourage people to get both.
I still have them, and they still work just fine (knock on wood of course).
Taking advantage of that special offer made me appreciate Legacy command control, rather than conventional operation, after being focused almost solely on conventional for 45 years before that.
Mike
I still, occasionally, use my CAB1/CAB2 setup. Over the years I’ve bought components for this generation so that I have backup pieces should something fail. When the Legacy system came out, it was over kill for the size layout I run.
Steve
@Woodson posted:$2600 and still bidding on evilbay.. Crazy, crazy, crazy...
Did you try "HOBBY HAVEN" in Des Moines , Iowa? They had one (990) sitting on the shelf the last time I was in there!!!
In the last couple of days, 990 command sets have sold for $960 (used) and $1,375 (new).
I'm wondering, why are some folks so bent on getting the old command base now that they're willing to pay these insane prices? After all, it's the remote that's being discontinued forever. On the other hand, a more capable command base (the Base3) will be coming out. Why not pick up just the Cab2 (the expansion set) now and then wait for the Base3?
Why do people continue to buy the old TMCC BASE1/CAB1 when they're available. Some are resistant to change. As for me, I'm not jumping right into the BASE3. If I do buy it in the future, it'll be when the bugs are worked out and there's a significant reason to prefer it over the Legacy command system.
@Keith L posted:In the last couple of days, 990 command sets have sold for $960 (used) and $1,375 (new).
I'm wondering, why are some folks so bent on getting the old command base now that they're willing to pay these insane prices? After all, it's the remote that's being discontinued forever.
If you want a"remote" that will actually access full Legacy features, the Cab 2 is your only option.
On the other hand, a more capable command base (the Base3) will be coming out.
The base 3 does not come with a remote. You can buy a cab1L remote. It will not access the legacy features and it will cost you $600 for the two, just to get basic command features.
For the operator who prefers a handheld over a device touchscreen, the cab 3 is only as capable as the remote being used
Why not pick up just the Cab2 (the expansion set) now and then wait for the Base3?
Expansion set prices have also been skyrocketing almost as bad.
You'll be spending over $1000 just to get a 993 expansion set and the base 3
While the prices are indeed insane, for the person who spends over $2000 for one locomotive to pull one train. A handheld that can run several of those trains and access all of the bells and whistles for $1000, doesn't seem like a horrible idea.
As I've stated before. The Legacy Cab2 is the ONLY remote in any model train scale where the operator can use the "meat and potatoes" of train functions without ever looking at it because of the tactile feel of the buttons.
For those folks who prefer touch screen operation, the base 3 will be great. I'm already on my phone too much, and I prefer to look at my trains when I run them.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Why do people continue to buy the old TMCC BASE1/CAB1 when they're available. Some are resistant to change. As for me, I'm not jumping right into the BASE3. If I do buy it in the future, it'll be when the bugs are worked out and there's a significant reason to prefer it over the Legacy command system.
In my situation, I’m not resistant to change, the Legacy system is over kill for how I operate.
Steve
On a side note. As far as that $2600 Legacy sytem.
The seller put it back up a few days ago. Its currently at $875
There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
@RideTheRails posted:In my situation, I’m not resistant to change, the Legacy system is over kill for how I operate.
Steve
Its doesn't hurt to leave some "change" in your wallet either.
Lionels marketing is all about the "latest and greatest, gotta have it".
I get it, thats just how it works, for the folks with no spending limits. More power to ya.
I stopped oooing and ahhing several years ago. I don't want my house to look like that "abandoned train layout video".
@Robprince posted:There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
Place has bad reviews
@Robprince posted:There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
Don't bother.
@Robprince posted:There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
Caveat emptor!!!
@Robprince posted:There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
A quick web search will reveal that they are a drop ship outfit. Meaning they don't carry any stock. They rely on distributors to ship the product to you. They will charge your credit card before shipping the item to you. If the warehouses don't have the product, you then have to go back and forth with them to get a refund. You could take a chance, just don't let it go beyond the time that you can dispute the sale with you credit card.
@Robprince posted:There are supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California
but who knows if they are legit
Results of a Google Search on is active powersports legit. That should tell you all you need to know about them. FWIW, years ago I tried to order an "Unobtainium" product from them, never did get it, finally went to the credit card company and yanked my money back.
@Mike McCutcheon posted:They will charge your credit card before shipping the item to you. If the warehouses don't have the product, you then have to go back and forth with them to get a refund. You could take a chance, just don't let it go beyond the time that you can dispute the sale with you credit card.
If you want to put one on your credit card. You can let me know when you get it and I'll pay you for it.
@RickO posted:On a side note. As far as that $2600 Legacy sytem.
The seller put it back up a few days ago. Its currently at $875
Yes, it's the same seller--but it's a different unit. He has more than one.
@Keith L posted:Yes, it's the same seller--but it's a different unit. He has more than one.
Where was that stated?
I wanted to buy one for a spare but at these prices forget it.
I don't wanna run trains with a phone or a smart device. The Base3 supposedly won't work with DCS either.
I wonder why Lionel didn't put a antenna on the new base 3 ?
It'll be interesting to how this plays out.
@Fredstrains posted:Did you try "HOBBY HAVEN" in Des Moines , Iowa? They had one (990) sitting on the shelf the last time I was in there!!!
Has anyone tried this SOURCE???
FREDSTRAINS
@feet posted:The Base3 supposedly won't work with DCS either.
Where was this stated?
Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:
1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.
and
2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.
Mike
@Fredstrains posted:Has anyone tried this SOURCE???
FREDSTRAINS
Some time ago. It was long gone!
@Mellow Hudson Mike posted:Where was this stated?
Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:
1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.
and
2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.
Mike
As Mike pointed out, it works the same as it always did with Base2.
@MartyE posted:As Mike pointed out, it works the same as it always did with Base2.
Thanks for clearing this up. I thought i saw this on a Youtube review. Boy am I feeling stupid today.
@RickO posted:I'm just so glad I grabbed a 993 off of Amazon $282 the week before the catalog announcement.
Theres one for over $500 with 6 days to go. I guess this is a good indication of how folks feel about the Legacy handheld.
If you think about it. If someone buys a $2400 VL locomotive, and wants a handheld that accesses ALL of the legacy features, what choice do they have?
Ironically, theres a DCS system currently at $202 with only two days left. T
Did the same thing. Can’t find them now. EvilBay prices are ridiculous, if they are even real. It was worth $300 to me to get an extra 993 remote to work with the Cab3 if my original Cab-2 remote base dies. Which I imagine wont be for a very long time. But 800+? No thanks. I’d use the app.
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
OK technically correct if using just a HH and DCS. Good point.
For those running Legacy with the DCS and getting Legacy features it really is the same for those running DCS with the app. The LCS SER2 can be had for $40.
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
It has a USB port. A USB to serial adapter will work according to Dave O.
Might need a null modem. This how a Command Base would be connected to the Base3 if someone wanted to use a Cab1.
Pete
@rplst8 posted:Not entirely correct.
The Base3 will require a SER2 as it doesn’t have it’s own serial port.
Not very wrong either -- the post was implying that DCS won't work with Base3 at all.
Mike
@Norton posted:It has a USB port. A USB to serial adapter will work according to Dave O.
Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
@H1000 posted:Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
Dave has said he has done it. ‘nough said. I see a lot of glass half full guys here. It can’t do this, it can’t do that. Why not just wait until its released?
Pete
@H1000 posted:Have you seen the USB port in the publications? it's Micro-B. While I'm sure one can exist, a Micro-B to Serial adapter is not common.
I believe the intent is that you would use the SER2 plugged into one of the three LCS ports on the BASE3. IMO, this is a non-issue.
@Norton posted:Dave has said he has done it. ‘nough said. I see a lot of glass half full guys here. It can’t do this, it can’t do that. Why not just wait until its released?
Pete
I didn't say it wasn't possible but go find the needed adaptor for the same price as a usb-a version... I have a dozen or so of those just laying around.
Plus, who is still using micro-b? It's a dying connector. A usb-c connection would have made much more sense.
I never doubted the ser2 being able to acomplish this and by the time you even find the correct micro-b to serial cable, the ser2 is probably the cheaper route.
This whole conversation hurts my head, and makes me glad I run conventional!😜
@3rail posted:I got (2) brand new ones in the box I am going to sell to supplement my retirement in a few months!
Donald
Don,
I guessing you are referring to Lionel 990 set? If so I would be happy to fuel your retirement. Please let me know when you are ready!
Actually brand new in the box can also mean that it's never been back to Lionel to have a modification made to the Cab2 and never had a charging mod made to the base.
@cjack posted:Actually brand new in the box can also mean that it's never been back to Lionel to have a modification made to the Cab2 and never had a charging mod made to the base.
I recently picked up a v1.0 #990 Legacy command set. Lionel gave me an RMA to upgrade it no questions asked.
What exactly is the charging mod?
I notice on Charles Ro website this pm they are accepting backorders for the cab2 remote and charge base package. I thought the handheld was dead.
I don’t know what the charging mod involved but they listed it on the invoice. I always used the 993 to charge so I don’t know what the problem was or would have been.
@EJN posted:I notice on Charles Ro website this pm they are accepting backorders for the cab2 remote and charge base package. I thought the handheld was dead.
Good catch! These were completely removed from the website a few weeks ago.
I'm not sure what changed, but at least the $449 is more reasonable than the $650+ that 993s are going for on ebay.
Rick,
I wonder if that's the final order coming from overseas, found US based stock or new production order based on higher msrp.
Being they are a major dealer maybe its a market test to see how much back order interest there is. I would expect other L dealers to start listing for sale if this is new price level Lionel supply chain can work with.
@rplst8 posted:What exactly is the charging mod?
The charging board in the early Legacy sets had problems, they were updated when they came in for repair. I sent a couple in specifically for the charging circuit update.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:The charging board in the early Legacy sets had problems, they were updated when they came in for repair. I sent a couple in specifically for the charging circuit update.
So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
@RickO posted:Good catch! These were completely removed from the website a few weeks ago.
I'm not sure what changed, but at least the $449 is more reasonable than the $650+ that 993s are going for on ebay.
Appears to be gone from Charles Ro now. But thanks EJN for the alert - I think I managed to get one before they disappeared.
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Try charging a CAB2?
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.
I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.
This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.
@rplst8 posted:So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done. Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?
Did it come back with an invoice? However They have been doing the charging update since about version 1.5 or less.
@RickO posted:Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.
I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.
This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.
I just leave it on plugged into a timer set to one hour after using it.
I use the #993 charging base for mine, it doesn't have anything but the charging circuit in it, and it doesn't heat up the CAB2 like the command base charger does. I'm using the Tenergy low self-discharge NiMh batteries, they've worked fine for me.
