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Shill bidders, or people just playing games. Likely the latter.

I saw scale legacy PE locos get bid over 10 grand last year. One of the sellers was a forum member. Bidders retracted and never paid.

There's a good chance this one will be relisted in a day or two once the seller realizes there will be no payout.

Since the formal announcement on Friday. These have been selling for around the $600 mark give or take.

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As they say, there is a sucker born every minute if those prices are true. A 990 control system is just that, I can't see it becoming much of a collectors item any time soon.  I realize that sometimes odd things, like certain record albums, become big ticket items but often it is because they are rarities *shrug*. Lots of consumer items get discontinued, few of them become collectible *shrug*.

I'm just so glad I grabbed a 993 off of  Amazon $282 the week before the catalog announcement.

Theres one for over $500 with 6 days to go. I guess this is a good indication of how folks feel about the Legacy handheld.

If you think about it. If someone buys a $2400 VL locomotive, and wants a handheld that accesses ALL of the legacy features, what choice do they have?

Ironically, theres a DCS system currently at $202 with only two days left. T

I'm really suprised Lionel is dropping this piece of hardware. I always thought it was cool design and no doubt took an lot of talent and time to design and develope.  A phone app just doesn't compare regardless of what some might say.

Just sent my one copy into Lionel today for repair. Very thankful they are still agreeing to support on the repair end.

My son and I saw that auction as well. He told me I should get my brand new one out of the closet and sell it. I am currently using a used 990 in excellent condition, that I bought last July and paid $260.00 for.  I also have a brand new 1.6  set I bought last January of 2021, for $364.84 + shipping. For a total $410.17, glad I bought a lot of my stuff before the prices got ridiculous.

Makes me appreciate conventional operation.

Steve

Only if you waited until 15 years after it was introduced to buy one.

Back on day one, or more precisely not long afterward, I got my 990 set for free.

That's right.  Free.

Buy a JLC Big Boy, get a free 990 Command Set, to celebrate the launch of Legacy, and encourage people to get both.

I still have them, and they still work just fine (knock on wood of course).

Taking advantage of that special offer made me appreciate Legacy command control, rather than conventional operation, after being focused almost solely on conventional for 45 years before that.

Mike

Only if you waited until 15 years after it was introduced to buy one.

Back on day one, or more precisely not long afterward, I got my 990 set for free.

That's right.  Free.

Buy a JLC Big Boy, get a free 990 Command Set, to celebrate the launch of Legacy, and encourage people to get both.

I still have them, and they still work just fine (knock on wood of course).

Taking advantage of that special offer made me appreciate Legacy command control, rather than conventional operation, after being focused almost solely on conventional for 45 years before that.

Mike

I still, occasionally, use my CAB1/CAB2 setup. Over the years I’ve bought components for this generation so that I have backup pieces should something fail. When the Legacy system came out, it was over kill for the size layout I run.

Steve

In the last couple of days, 990 command sets have sold for $960 (used) and $1,375 (new).

I'm wondering, why are some folks so bent on getting the old command base now that they're willing to pay these insane prices? After all, it's the remote that's being discontinued forever. On the other hand, a more capable command base (the Base3) will be coming out. Why not pick up just the Cab2 (the expansion set) now and then wait for the Base3?

@Keith L posted:

In the last couple of days, 990 command sets have sold for $960 (used) and $1,375 (new).

I'm wondering, why are some folks so bent on getting the old command base now that they're willing to pay these insane prices? After all, it's the remote that's being discontinued forever.

If you want a"remote" that will actually access full Legacy features, the Cab 2 is your only option.

On the other hand, a more capable command base (the Base3) will be coming out.

The base 3 does not come with a remote. You can buy a cab1L remote. It will not access the legacy features and it will cost you $600 for the two, just to get basic command features.

For the operator who prefers a handheld over a device touchscreen, the cab 3 is only as capable as the remote being used

Why not pick up just the Cab2 (the expansion set) now and then wait for the Base3?

Expansion set prices have also been skyrocketing almost as bad.

You'll be spending over $1000 just to get a 993 expansion set and the base 3

While the prices are indeed insane, for the person who spends over $2000 for one locomotive to pull one train. A handheld that can run several of those trains and access all of the bells and whistles for $1000, doesn't seem like a horrible idea.

As I've stated before. The Legacy Cab2 is the ONLY remote in any model train scale where the operator can use the "meat and potatoes" of train functions without ever looking at it because of the tactile feel of the buttons.

For those folks who prefer touch screen operation, the base 3 will be great. I'm already on my phone too much, and I prefer to look at my trains when I run them.

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Why do people continue to buy the old TMCC BASE1/CAB1 when they're available.  Some are resistant to change.  As for me, I'm not jumping right into the BASE3.  If I do buy it in the future, it'll be when the bugs are worked out and there's a significant reason to prefer it over the Legacy command system.

In my situation, I’m not resistant to change, the Legacy system is over kill for how I operate.

Steve

In my situation, I’m not resistant to change, the Legacy system is over kill for how I operate.

Steve

Its doesn't hurt to leave some "change" in your wallet either.

Lionels marketing is all about the "latest and greatest, gotta have it".

I get it, thats just how it works, for the folks with no spending limits. More power to ya.

I stopped oooing and ahhing several years ago. I don't want my house to look like that "abandoned train layout video".

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@Robprince posted:

There are  supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California

but who knows if they are legit

A quick web search will reveal that they are a drop ship outfit.   Meaning they don't carry any stock.  They rely on distributors to ship the product to you.   They will charge your credit card before shipping the item to you.    If the warehouses don't have the product, you then have to go back and forth with them to get a refund.    You could take a chance, just don't let it go beyond the time that you can dispute the sale with you credit card.

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@Robprince posted:

There are  supposedly some available at https://www.activepowersports.com/ in California

but who knows if they are legit

Results of a Google Search on is active powersports legit.  That should tell you all you need to know about them.  FWIW, years ago I tried to order an "Unobtainium" product from them, never did get it, finally went to the credit card company and yanked my money back.

  They will charge your credit card before shipping the item to you.    If the warehouses don't have the product, you then have to go back and forth with them to get a refund.    You could take a chance, just don't let it go beyond the time that you can dispute the sale with you credit card.

If you want to put one on your credit card. You can let me know when you get it and I'll pay you for it.

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@feet posted:

The Base3 supposedly won't work with DCS either.



Where was this stated?

Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:

1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.

   and

2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.

Mike

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Where was this stated?

Unless I missed something recently it "works with DCS" just as any Base would, and has in the past:

1.) DCS Remote controls TMCC/Legacy -- Connect the BASE-3 to your TIU, via a serial cable, and the DCS remote will operate your TMCC/Legacy locomotives through it.

   and

2.) CAB-x App does not control PS2 or 3 -- The CAB-3 (App) and BASE-3 will not operate PS2 or 3 locomotives via DCS command, only conventionally using a PowerMaster, same as CAB-1/BASE-1, CAB-2/BASE-2, and CAB-1L/BASE-1L.

Mike

As Mike pointed out, it works the same as it always did with Base2.

@RickO posted:

I'm just so glad I grabbed a 993 off of  Amazon $282 the week before the catalog announcement.

Theres one for over $500 with 6 days to go. I guess this is a good indication of how folks feel about the Legacy handheld.

If you think about it. If someone buys a $2400 VL locomotive, and wants a handheld that accesses ALL of the legacy features, what choice do they have?

Ironically, theres a DCS system currently at $202 with only two days left. T

Did the same thing.   Can’t find them now.  EvilBay prices are ridiculous, if they are even real.   It was worth $300 to me to get an extra 993 remote to work with the Cab3 if my original Cab-2 remote base dies.   Which I imagine wont be for a very long time.   But 800+?  No thanks.  I’d use the app.

@Norton posted:

Dave has said he has done it. ‘nough said. I see a lot of glass half full guys here. It can’t do this, it can’t do that.  Why not just wait until its released?



Pete

I didn't  say it wasn't possible but go find the needed adaptor for the same price as a usb-a version... I have a dozen  or so of those just laying around.

Plus, who is still using micro-b? It's a dying connector. A usb-c connection would have made much more sense.

I never doubted the ser2 being able to acomplish this and by the time you even find the correct micro-b to serial cable, the ser2 is probably the cheaper route.

@cjack posted:

Actually brand new in the box can also mean that it's never been back to Lionel to have a modification made to the Cab2 and never had a charging mod made to the base.

I recently picked up a v1.0 #990 Legacy command set.  Lionel gave me an RMA to upgrade it no questions asked. 

What exactly is the charging mod?

@EJN posted:

I notice on Charles Ro website this pm they are accepting backorders for the cab2 remote and charge base package.  I thought the handheld was dead.

L14294 - #993 LEGACY EXPANSION SET (3dcartstores.com)

Good catch! These were completely removed from the website a few weeks ago.

I'm not sure what changed, but at least the $449 is more reasonable than the $650+ that 993s are going for on ebay.

Rick,

I wonder if that's the final order coming from overseas, found US based stock or new production order based on higher msrp.

Being they are a major dealer maybe its a market test to see how much back order interest there is.  I would expect other L dealers to start listing for sale if this is new price level Lionel supply chain can work with.

@rplst8 posted:

So I sent my unit in requesting an upgrade from v1.0 to v1.7 which was done.  Is there a way to tell if the charging circuit was updated as well?

Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.

I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.

This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially  now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.

@RickO posted:

Unless your **** bent on having the charging feature. It's just as easy to turn off the base charger and grab yourself an external charger with extra batteries on Amazon.

I never bothered to see if my base charger even works. I don't like the idea of leaving it on all the time. My base is unplugged when not running trains.

This seems like cheap insurance from damage caused by a power surge or possible component failure from simply being on 24/7. Especially  now more than ever. Since these bases are discontinued.

I just leave it on plugged into a timer set to one hour after using it.

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