Update on the CSS, mounted flywheel and new drive shaft today, also fabricated the nylon spacer that really helps with motor noise suppression.....I didn’t measure the voltage or the amp draw on the rollers, cause it’s getting late....I can tell you it’s super smooth and very easy to get moving with the slightest crack of the throttle.....coming along nicely....here’s a couple of pics, and I’ll post video in another reply.......Pat
Here’s a video of the CSS, doing the slo-mo on the rollers....pretty smooth! The background noise your hearing is my noisy DC power supply........the chassis is almost dead silent............Pat
Nice!!!
That motor doesn't stick out into the cab?
gunrunnerjohn posted:That motor doesn't stick out into the cab?
No, already fitted it........Pat
In that case, it's a great mod! 
gunrunnerjohn posted:
That motor doesn't stick out into the cab?
This is the first trial fit before making clearance in the shell John. To make it fit in the shell, the original rear mounts will be erased away to allow the motor to nestle down. I’ll fabricate a new rear mounting plate from sheet metal, and drill and tap. new mounting holes, pretty much next to where the original holes were, just a little more outwards than the stock locations...........Pat
As the song goes, "I'm so excited!"
In anticipation of Pat completing the mod of my engine I purchased the DC Cruise Commander from 3rd Rail. This was a very simple conversion to make, simply remove the AC Commander and put the DC Cruise Commander in its place. I just have to wait to figure out which wire I want to remove that went to the Pullmor motor. I can't do that, until Pat sends the engine back. So, if anyone is in the market for a used AC Commander, I'll make you a good deal! Send me a PM.
New DC Cruise Commander fully installed.
The gray wires on the right are for the chuff switch. These will be removed once I get the Chuff Generator installed.
Jayhawk500 posted:In anticipation of Pat completing the mod of my engine I purchased the DC Cruise Commander from 3rd Rail. This was a very simple conversion to make, simply remove the AC Commander and put the DC Cruise Commander in its place. I just have to wait to figure out which wire I want to remove that went to the Pullmor motor. I can't do that, until Pat sends the engine back. So, if anyone is in the market for a used AC Commander, I'll make you a good deal! Send me a PM.
New DC Cruise Commander fully installed.
The gray wires on the right are for the chuff switch. These will be removed once I get the Chuff Generator installed.
Won’t be too much longer Chris, but I’m not gonna rush carving on your shell, I want a nice clean job, I’m not gonna be a butcher...😇..........Pat
harmonyards posted:Jayhawk500 posted:In anticipation of Pat completing the mod of my engine I purchased the DC Cruise Commander from 3rd Rail. This was a very simple conversion to make, simply remove the AC Commander and put the DC Cruise Commander in its place. I just have to wait to figure out which wire I want to remove that went to the Pullmor motor. I can't do that, until Pat sends the engine back. So, if anyone is in the market for a used AC Commander, I'll make you a good deal! Send me a PM.
New DC Cruise Commander fully installed.
The gray wires on the right are for the chuff switch. These will be removed once I get the Chuff Generator installed.
Won’t be too much longer Chris, but I’m not gonna rush carving on your shell, I want a nice clean job, I’m not gonna be a butcher...😇..........Pat
Take your time Pat. I'm not in any hurry. Let your OCD have its way with you.
Update on the CSS. The rough cuts on the shell are done. The large Pittman now fits up inside with little room to spare.....this is always the worst part of the job...nothing like taking a high speed carbide bit to a perfectly good shell..........there’s no magical measurement to define this action, just a silver sharpie and sneak up on the widdling till she fits nice and smooth...thank goodness Lionel put a lot of material on the rearward mounting bosses cause half of it gets widdled away....next step, fab the new rear mount, drill and tap for 4-40 mounting screws....we might see it test run on the layout today.....we’ll see
Rear mount fabbed up, ride height is perfect, time for a first test trial.....video coming...
Here’s her maiden voyage under Pittman power....29 cars, we’re not even breaking a sweat...7.8 volts, and barely over a 1/4 of an amp...not to shabby for straight from the shops...we’ll let her stretch her legs for 3 or 4 hours, (you could never do that with a Pullmor) and then we’ll begin to wrap things up.....looking good Chris!
30 minutes run time, this is what the transformer sees the locomotive is consuming....she’s a gas sipper now...
Looking good! 
Starting to get excited! 
I can just imagine how quite it is compared to the growling Pullmor.
Here’s a test run with all the trucks mounted, still want to tweak the ash pan mount a little more, but performance so far is awesome....she’s about at a crawl holding her own nice and steady .......
At speed......hold on!..
harmonyards posted:Here’s a test run with all the trucks mounted, still want to tweak the ash pan mount a little more, but performance so far is awesome....she’s about at a crawl holding her own nice and steady .......
harmonyards posted:At speed......hold on!..
I'm very happy Pat! Looks fantastic! When I get it back and finished with it, It'll look and sound like the real McCoy.
Final assembly begins today, parts have been cleaned, painted and polished. Makes for a clean good looking mod.....
harmonyards posted:Final assembly begins today, parts have been cleaned, painted and polished. Makes for a clean good looking mod.....
TWO THUMBS UP!
The last parts went back on today, after a little more testing and double checking for fit and finish. After final assembly, one more solid test run and she will heading back to Chris tomorrow or Tuesday at the latest.....that’s a wrap kids....
Mr Hamon, this is the most fun thread to learn from; thanks so much for sharing; really neat stuff! I hope to do the same to my 18009 and 18006. Great ideas; Falcon70
Pat, I'm very happy with the results. A very professional job!! Thank you so much!
That is a great job Pat!
Chris, I look forward to seeing your locomotive when you finish it.
I just finished up with the CSS. It's all assembled and programmed. Quick video before I put the boiler on.
And a video after the boiler is on. I still have to try and repair the front pilot assembly from the prior shipping I cause when I shipped it to Pat. I can only sing praises to Pat (Harmonyards) for the absolutely fantastic job he did on the motor conversion. Unfortunately, I had to take down my Christmas layout for the summer the other day. So a video of the engine running around the track will have to wait until next fall.
I have question for GRJ, why am I getting double chuffs in the audio? I also get them on my Daylight.
Thanks.
Okay, it's been 2 full seasons and the weather, (although it's been nice up till now) is starting to get worse. So it's time to pull the trains out of hibernation. Here's a quick picture of the finished product as it sits on my new temporary Christmas layout. Something happened to my chuff generator to where I'm only getting 2 chuffs per revolution vice 4. I need to reprogram and see if that helps.
I was also able to repair the shipping damage to the front pilot assembly. I permanently JB Welded the left ladder to the assembly.
I have ordered some detailing parts for the top of the boiler. Then a repaint of the boiler to the B&O blue will be in order., hopefully some time this winter.
Okay, as promised, I was able to reprogram my Chuff Generator. I made sure I have the .040 (1mm) clearance and I also blackened the tach tape stripes. So here it is on my freshly completed Christmas layout. I have been able to run all three of the engines seen on the layout. I have an issue with the left hand O-60 switch at the far end in the video. The frogs will periodically move causing the engine to want to take the detour. I'm going to but another switch, cause I don't want to deal with it right at the moment.
Sorry the video is a bit out of focus. I'll try this again shortly.
Wow Chris! Nice work, love the 4 chuffs thanks to John’s stuff!...what a nice locomotive!...it don’t get much better that!....enjoy it!....Pat
harmonyards posted:Wow Chris! Nice work, love the 4 chuffs thanks to John’s stuff!...what a nice locomotive!...it don’t get much better that!....enjoy it!....Pat
Trust me I will! Thanks to your talent!
Test. Just wanted to make sure my thread didn't get locked out. I have more postings in the future for my CSS.
Chris,
I just came back to this thread, and COLOR ME IMPRESSED.
It really fills my heart with joy to see these old LTI big steamers getting a new lease of life with these major motor improvements. Your CSC goes up and beyond what it originally was out of the box.
I might just have to ask Pat about doing the same to one of the NYC L3a Mohawks Lionel did in the 90's...
Its been a long time since I posted any progress on my CSS. I am still amazed at Pat's mod for the Pittman motor. But this isn't about any electrical or electronics post. No sir, this and subsequent postings will be about more detailing to the Boiler of my CSS itself. I have ground down the so called feedwater heater located in front of the smoke stack, and I've added a Worthington feedwater heater.
The hole in front of the stack was used to hold the boiler front on to the engine. I took the screw and installed it from the bottom of the boiler front and the screw will stick up through the hole. Everything in front of the boiler front will hold the front in place.
Then I moved on to the feed water pump. I ground out the square lumps that were the feedwater pump and motor.
Then I added a Worthington SA feedwater pump.
This afternoon I added a hand formed feedwater pipe.
I have also drill holes in the top of the boiler for a new whistle. The existing generator will be removed and a Pyle generator will be placed in its place along with a back up generator.
Until next time...
Just a quick update since I posted yesterday. These photos show how the feedwater pipe will clear the steam chest. The steps on the left side of the engine will hide a lot of the connection from the feed water pipe to the boilers feedwater pipe. I have some prototype photos I'll edit in later, they're on another computer.
A little detail on the Worthington feedwater heater. I'm trying to find some good photos of this But cant seem to find any. The only ones I have are from a distance and there's no real detail.
Lastly, The steam whistle and the first of 2 Pyle generators. The hole is from the original LTI steam whistle. I haven't decided if I'll fill this in or attempt a fan driven smoke effect. More to come on this.
Fine job Chris. I love these kinds of upgrades. Here are some pics of a 3rd Rail Suoer Hudson with a Worthington heater.
Pete
Norton posted:Fine job Chris. I love these kinds of upgrades. Here are some pics of a 3rd Rail Suoer Hudson with a Worthington heater.
Pete
Awesome, Thanks!
Good afternoon everyone, I'm in need of a little help identifying an outlet coming off the Worthington feedwater heater. Inside the circle, there are 2 outlets the smaller one I discovered is an exhaust air pipe that discharges at the rim of the stack. However The larger one is the one in question, What is this outlet for? Please click on the picture, you may have to save it, then zoom in the blue circle.
Thanks for the help.
Chris
I believe the cross compound air pumps are mounted on the pilot behind the shield. Those were steam driven and would have to have an exhaust. Those engines also sported a trailing truck booster. Any idea where that exhaust went? I've attached an image showing an NKP Berk in the backshop and you can see the Worthington FWH and some of the piping, one of which may be for the air pumps. This is a large file and can be enlarged. Love all the work you have been doing with your engine. Looks great!!
Thanks for the reply and the kind comment. Cant see much in the photos, Hopefully some one else will chime in too.
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