You guys are trying to put the crayons in the wrong way. The blunt flat end doesn't go into the hole. Turn the crayons around. Insert the pointy tapered end into the hole. Every single one will fit. The crayons will insert to a depth where the size of the taper equals the size of the hole.
Stu
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I think those are large sized in the old one.
Personally I think we need to see some go-no go measurements (with drill bits/shank) and or crayon dia. measurements. There could easily be more varience in the crayons too.
I also think they have used a number of papers. I can recall some crayon holders as a kid would take some crayons but not others right out of the box.
Wax also expands a lot.
"beeswax"
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NOT LionelLLC posted:You guys are trying to put the crayons in the wrong way. The blunt flat end doesn't go into the hole. Turn the crayons around. Insert the pointy tapered end into the hole. Every single one will fit. The crayons will insert to a depth where the size of the taper equals the size of the hole.
Stu
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That's not the way they showed them in the Catalog!!!
I haven't picked mine up from my local LHS yet but it's been a long time since I ordered it so I'll figure out a fix for mine after I pick it up.
Hey all, I have this car and the Crayons fit. I did my own little experiment this morning. After seeing this thread yesterday, I went to my local art and teacher supply store and purchased three boxes of the same Crayons that came with the car. The 64 pack.
My findings after going thru each box:
Box 1: All fit
Box 2: 50 fit
Box 3: 15 fit
By fit, I mean no force or wiggling necessary. They slid right in as shown by Lionel. The ones that didn't fit were close, but would have taken considerable force. I need to find my small calipers to see what the difference is between fitting and non-fitting crayons.
I made sure all three boxes I purchased had the same part/sku number from Crayola.
One more observation: Box 1 and 2 had the same date code. Box 3 had a different date code.
Maybe there's a tolerance issue with the Crayon manufacturing?
Is the mold for the Crayons a two-part half-cylinder, that breaks apart to release the Crayon? The tightness of the two half molds can cause variations in the circumference of the crayon.
Oh, Swell. No, Literally SWELL.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
John Rowlen posted:Is the mold for the Crayons a two-part half-cylinder, that breaks apart to release the Crayon? The tightness of the two half molds can cause variations in the circumference of the crayon.
Oh, Swell. No, Literally SWELL.
Sincerely, John Rowlen
Doesnt look like it, at least from the "How Its Made" video for Crayolas.
Edit: Well these are Roseart and not Crayolas. I honestly didnt catch the difference because the wrappers look identical. Dont know how RoseArt pulled that off without being sued.
Adriatic posted:I think those are large sized in the old one.
Personally I think we need to see some go-no go measurements (with drill bits/shank) and or crayon dia. measurements. There could easily be more varience in the crayons too.
I also think they have used a number of papers. I can recall some crayon holders as a kid would take some crayons but not others right out of the box.
Wax also expands a lot.
"beeswax"
Are you telling us to mind our own beeswax?
Mark
Would someone please put this thread out of its misery......
EscapeRocks posted:Hey all, I have this car and the Crayons fit. I did my own little experiment this morning. After seeing this thread yesterday, I went to my local art and teacher supply store and purchased three boxes of the same Crayons that came with the car. The 64 pack.
My findings after going thru each box:
Box 1: All fit
Box 2: 50 fit
Box 3: 15 fit
By fit, I mean no force or wiggling necessary. They slid right in as shown by Lionel. The ones that didn't fit were close, but would have taken considerable force. I need to find my small calipers to see what the difference is between fitting and non-fitting crayons.
I made sure all three boxes I purchased had the same part/sku number from Crayola.
One more observation: Box 1 and 2 had the same date code. Box 3 had a different date code.
Maybe there's a tolerance issue with the Crayon manufacturing?
So it's possible I was right! It could be Crayola delivered fat crayons to Lionel!
I wonder if sticking a box of Crayola Crayons into a refrigerator would help by slightly shrinking them. Would any of you owners of the non-fitting crayons care to try this experiment?
phrankenstign posted:I wonder if sticking a box of Crayola Crayons into a refrigerator would help by slightly shrinking them...
That wouldn't be very prototypical.
ADCX Rob posted:phrankenstign posted:I wonder if sticking a box of Crayola Crayons into a refrigerator would help by slightly shrinking them...That wouldn't be very prototypical.
You're wrong! After some digging, I was able to find this picture of the prototype being loaded automatically.
phrankenstign posted:ADCX Rob posted:phrankenstign posted:I wonder if sticking a box of Crayola Crayons into a refrigerator would help by slightly shrinking them...That wouldn't be very prototypical.
You're wrong! After some digging, I was able to find this picture of the prototype being loaded automatically.
New from Menards LOL.
phrankenstign posted:EscapeRocks posted:Hey all, I have this car and the Crayons fit. I did my own little experiment this morning. After seeing this thread yesterday, I went to my local art and teacher supply store and purchased three boxes of the same Crayons that came with the car. The 64 pack.
My findings after going thru each box:
Box 1: All fit
Box 2: 50 fit
Box 3: 15 fit
By fit, I mean no force or wiggling necessary. They slid right in as shown by Lionel. The ones that didn't fit were close, but would have taken considerable force. I need to find my small calipers to see what the difference is between fitting and non-fitting crayons.
I made sure all three boxes I purchased had the same part/sku number from Crayola.
One more observation: Box 1 and 2 had the same date code. Box 3 had a different date code.
Maybe there's a tolerance issue with the Crayon manufacturing?
So it's possible I was right! It could be Crayola delivered fat crayons to Lionel!
I wonder if sticking a box of Crayola Crayons into a refrigerator would help by slightly shrinking them. Would any of you owners of the non-fitting crayons care to try this experiment?
If you do that and get them in, once they return to room temp they’ll be interference fit in the holes and you won’t get them out.
Im more baffled as to why these are made to such a precise tolerance where clearly it’s not necessary at all. If kids are supposed to be using this to store their crayons then the holes ought to be big enough for a child to manipulate the crayons in and out of with ease. This isn’t a bearing and a shaft, the tolerance should have been huge.
Major engineering fail.
Cryo-la? 
Seems like all the Lionel Bashing may have been premature. Who would have known there is a significant variance in the diameter of Crayola Crayons?
Paul
Railrunnin posted:Seems like all the Lionel Bashing may have been premature. Who would have known there is a significant variance in the diameter of Crayola Crayons?
Paul
Yep...a lot of folks are ready to condemn before thinking...thus this thread has run its course...
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