Okay - let's add the GP-30 in Nickle Plate Road #900

• Lionel 21334NKP GP30 - Nickel Plate Road NKP - #900 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

NKP GP30 looks great, Steve. I’m on the hook.

MR Muffin,

Concerning your interest in a PC GP-30, red letter, will this help?

Also, using your imagination, what is the possibility of a "Indiana" Pacific using LionChief + 2.0 (could use the current Baby K4 ) tooling? The engine is crazy and beautiful and unique all at the same time. I would purchase a smaller "Indiana" version.

I presume that any orders for these custom runs are also due by the end of February like the regular preorders?

@das boot posted:

MR Muffin,

Concerning your interest in a PC GP-30, red letter, will this help?

Also, using your imagination, what is the possibility of a "Indiana" Pacific using LionChief + 2.0 (could use the current Baby K4 ) tooling? The engine is crazy and beautiful and unique all at the same time. I would purchase a smaller "Indiana" version.

Yes - exactly what I was looking for - before I saw this I received a picture of a #2189 so I think we are going with that one. Interested folks can order either, or both, of the PC's here:

• Lionel 21334PCR GP30 - Penn Central - #2189 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21334PC GP30 - Penn Central - #2222 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

@naresar posted:

I presume that any orders for these custom runs are also due by the end of February like the regular preorders?

Yes, thank you

To confirm the PC GP30s will be painted "as shown" in the pictures?  I realize they will not be weathered.

In addition to the PC GP30's, which have the most orders so far, and the NKP GP30, we added 5 Pacific's folks have asked for and a Camelback. These only get made with your orders - 25 each!

@DETROIT posted:

To confirm the PC GP30s will be painted "as shown" in the pictures?  I realize they will not be weathered.

Yes, and I will post the art work from Lionel after we receive it - but that won't be out until the orders are due.

Just ordered the NKP GP30. I’m in pretty much every time you do a custom NKP engine. Thanks!

It’s a long shot, but Chicago and Eastern Illinois GP30?

https://www.antiquesnavigator....p30-240-in-1966.html

@Keith Crook 020419 posted:

Just ordered the NKP GP30. I’m in pretty much every time you do a custom NKP engine. Thanks!

Saw that - thank you!

@vash44 posted:

It’s a long shot, but Chicago and Eastern Illinois GP30?

https://www.antiquesnavigator....p30-240-in-1966.html

Sure is pretty - think we could get 25 orders?....

Mr. Muffins,

Please find out from Lionel on the driver diameter for these Pacific's. DL&W had four different size's,

1101-1114 had 73" and were freight.

1115-1130 had 79" and were passenger.

1131-1135 had 73" and did both freight and passenger, 1131-1133 had regular pilots, 1134 & 1135 had permanent snow plows.

1136-1140 had 79" and was passenger.

1151-1183 had 69" and were freight.

1184-1193 had 70" and were freight.

The picture you have listed of the 1130 has the single step as delivered, all pacific's got the ladder after first overhaul like this Lionel model. The rear tender headlight was centered on 1131-1135, but I see no tender light in the catalog. The trim was not white but silver, tires and the outside of the ladder from the pilot up to the running board and the edge of the running board back to the cab was also silver. In a picture I have dated 12-26-52 the silver was gone from the 1133. All engine, tender tires and running board were silver as delivered in 1915, only the 1131 & 1132 kept the silver tires and trim till the end in 1952. The front of the smoke box was silver like the ACL in the catalog, not gray or black.

I can email you pictures of every different angle if you would like from all of my DL&W books, of course all credit is to the original photographer.

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

• Lionel 21312NYC USRA Pacific - New York Central NYC #3330 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Hey Steve, I'm curious as to the color of the boiler, whether it is black, gray, graphite, or what ever other colors they could be? I know it is early and it may take a bit to get information on that, but figured I would ask.

Steve, the Western Maryland WM #205 really caught my eye!  Now if we can get 25 people to make an order!!

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

Please find out from Lionel on the driver diameter for these Pacific's. DL&W had four different size's,

1101-1114 had 73" and were freight.

1115-1130 had 79" and were passenger.

1131-1135 had 73" and did both freight and passenger, 1131-1133 had regular pilots, 1134 & 1135 had permanent snow plows.

1136-1140 had 79" and was passenger.

1151-1183 had 69" and were freight.

1184-1193 had 70" and were freight.

The picture you have listed of the 1130 has the single step as delivered, all pacific's got the ladder after first overhaul like this Lionel model. The rear tender headlight was centered on 1131-1135, but I see no tender light in the catalog. The trim was not white but silver, tires and the outside of the ladder from the pilot up to the running board and the edge of the running board back to the cab was also silver. In a picture I have dated 12-26-52 the silver was gone from the 1133. All engine, tender tires and running board were silver as delivered in 1915, only the 1131 & 1132 kept the silver tires and trim till the end in 1952. The front of the smoke box was silver like the ACL in the catalog, not gray or black.

I can email you pictures of every different angle if you would like from all of my DL&W books, of course all credit is to the original photographer.

Do you think we should change model / road number to better match what Lionel is making?

@Mark Boyce posted:

Steve, the Western Maryland WM #205 really caught my eye!  Now if we can get 25 people to make an order!!

If we can get close, we will have them made....

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

If we can get close, we will have them made....

Considering what Lionel's MSRP is on cataloged engines and you are doing small custom runs, you offer a great price!!  Great job, Steve!!!  Still, it's a lot of pennies to save up.  I like others will have to put our thinking caps on!  

@MrMuffin'sTrains - Can you provide any road specific details for the pacifics? Specifically the SF?

How about a dl&w camelback?  Can't swing the $$$ for a pacific

@SuperChief posted:

@MrMuffin'sTrains - Can you provide any road specific details for the pacifics? Specifically the SF?

At this point, all I have is a photograph..... if we get 25 preorders - no money - I will work that out with Lionel... they will develop the art work and the specs, and I can share that.... I had a number of people write/post that they wanted one prior to the Valley Flier Set cataloged, so I added one.... so far - no preorders...

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

At this point, all I have is a photograph..... if we get 25 preorders - no money - I will work that out with Lionel... they will develop the art work and the specs, and I can share that.... I had a number of people write/post that they wanted one prior to the Valley Flier Set cataloged, so I added one.... so far - no preorders...

Ah, so that’s how it works. It makes sense.  Thanks Steve!

Ordered one of the B&O Pacifics as soon as I saw your post.  Thanks so much for doing these!  Lionel has only done a B&O pacific dressed up for specific passenger trains, and the most recent one had the whistle wayyy off.  Was sad to see no B&O pacific offered amongst this latest run from Lionel, but it made my day to see it on your list!

Probably much too late, but if there were any chance you could throw in a B&O GP30 (in "sunburst" scheme if possible, but standard is fine, too) or Chessie, I'd order at least one of each and probably a few.  Chessie was done back in about 2007, and B&O hasn't ever been done in legacy.  Was disappointed to see the B&O and Chessie offered by Lionel only in CSX patched and renumbered.

But again, thank you for putting together this already really cool run of custom units!

P.S., my personal preference is for the look of the B&O Pacifics with the Vanderbilt tenders, but that may just be me.  Don't know if this decision has been set in stone yet, though.

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Do you think we should change model / road number to better match what Lionel is making?

Mr. Muffins,

When K-line closed and Weaver Models took that order of Pacific's, the driver size was 73". From what I see in the Lionel catalog, I can't tell if they are 73 or 79. It's 2021, why would they NOT offer a rear tender headlight. If you can get the driver size from Lionel, then I can get you the right road number. I helped Joe get all of the right information when Weaver made the brass Pocono, I can also help with pictures and other DL&W facts if you add the Camelback. I have plenty of pictures on 4-6-0's in my one book. Let me know, I would be happy to help get ANY DL&W engine made as correct as possible.

@Catonsville Central Railway posted:

Ordered one of the B&O Pacifics as soon as I saw your post.  Thanks so much for doing these!  Lionel has only done a B&O pacific dressed up for specific passenger trains, and the most recent one had the whistle wayyy off.  Was sad to see no B&O pacific offered amongst this latest run from Lionel, but it made my day to see it on your list!

Probably much too late, but if there were any chance you could throw in a B&O GP30 (in "sunburst" scheme if possible, but standard is fine, too) or Chessie, I'd order at least one of each and probably a few.  Chessie was done back in about 2007, and B&O hasn't ever been done in legacy.  Was disappointed to see the B&O and Chessie offered by Lionel only in CSX patched and renumbered.

But again, thank you for putting together this already really cool run of custom units!

P.S., my personal preference is for the look of the B&O Pacifics with the Vanderbilt tenders, but that may just be me.  Don't know if this decision has been set in stone yet, though.

Okay, first we have had lots of input and terrific help today on the B&O Pacific. Lets change the model we are going to run to #5236 in blue with the Vanderbilt tender. Has gold trim and lettering. Pretty terrific. I really want to make this, so I need to get to 25 - and I will take one - so like 22 to go.

THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

When K-line closed and Weaver Models took that order of Pacific's, the driver size was 73". From what I see in the Lionel catalog, I can't tell if they are 73 or 79. It's 2021, why would they NOT offer a rear tender headlight. If you can get the driver size from Lionel, then I can get you the right road number. I helped Joe get all of the right information when Weaver made the brass Pocono, I can also help with pictures and other DL&W facts if you add the Camelback. I have plenty of pictures on 4-6-0's in my one book. Let me know, I would be happy to help get ANY DL&W engine made as correct as possible.

Pete - all I have found out so far is that they're using the same wheels that they used 12 years ago when they last did the Pacific.... any thoughts on that?

@MrMuffin'sTrains

The wife liked the B&O Pacific, politely declined when I asked if she wanted to order one.  

Suggest changing the road number of the engine in the first post to #5236.  Thanks

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

THE B&O sunburst is a good idea - I just have so many GP30's now - maybe if one falls out....

Well if you decide to go for it, I can’t imagine it would be too hard to get to the 25 number.  The old TMCC sunburst model is hard to find like hen’s teeth.

And if you needed some pictures of a real one, I’m 15 minutes from the B&O railroad museum where they have one still in operation, number 6944.

https://youtu.be/h5jva1y0hMQ

Either way, I’m even more ecstatic now about the B&O Pacific!  Will have to talk to some B&O buddies about also ordering one to be sure we get to that 25 number...

Late next week, I need to prune the list with Lionel and confirm what they will make, and then the final count of engines by 2/28.... My thinking right now is if I don't have at least 10 orders for an engine by end of the weekend, I will cancel the project..... focus on what people really want - so get your orders in!

I will pop mine in for the USRA NYC Pacific tonight, see what comes. That one gets my vote.

Thank you for the update, Steve!  That is quite fair.

Ordered the NYC Pacific #3330

As I said, put my order in for the NYC USRA Pacific. Hope we get more. If these fall through(the NYC), maybe I will hop onto one of the other runs, maybe the B&O.

DaveNYCHudsn PRR K4

I know 2 were ordered today from a couple of NJ HiRailers so that 3 from this thread alone. Hopefully we get to 25

@PSU1980 posted:

DaveNYCHudsn PRR K4

I know 2 were ordered today from a couple of NJ HiRailers so that 3 from this thread alone. Hopefully we get to 25

Steve was ordering one as well. He said I'd be 3, he'd be 4. Well, I guess I'm the latter, lol. Either way we're half way there(to at least 10). Definitely hope a bunch get built.

Got my order in for CNJ #829. Hopefully I’m not the only one!

Votes cast for the Milwaukee #340 GP30 and the Milwaukee #808 Pacific. Would like to see the C&EI made. Any interest from anyone else? Figured with Mr. Muffins ability to produce midwest named runs there is a chance.

Okay, I finally stepped up to the plate and submitted a pre-order for the Western Maryland Pacific.  I wouldn't be surprised if this is close to the least popular of the options, so we will see how it goes.

Thank you, Steve and Jeff!!

Mr. Muffins,

From going through Lionel's website, I found a Southern Pacific in green made in 2006 with scale 73" drivers. I would say they are 73", so 1131-1135 in Lackawanna are the correct road numbers. You get enough orders, let me know and I will take pictures of which ever number you choose. I will then email them to you asap. I will go through all 13 DL&W books I have and send you everyone I find of that road number. Just remember, 1134 and 1135 had snow plows after one rebuild and stayed on till scrapping. I am all in for helping to get any DL&W engine made as close to original pictures as possible. 

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

From going through Lionel's website, I found a Southern Pacific in green made in 2006 with scale 73" drivers. I would say they are 73", so 1131-1135 in Lackawanna are the correct road numbers. You get enough orders, let me know and I will take pictures of which ever number you choose. I will then email them to you asap. I will go through all 13 DL&W books I have and send you everyone I find of that road number. Just remember, 1134 and 1135 had snow plows after one rebuild and stayed on till scrapping. I am all in for helping to get any DL&W engine made as close to original pictures as possible.

thank you - 1133 it is

Heh, Pete, since the wheel decoration is silver and not white, and they removed it later, how about we make them without the silver on the wheels?

I would take one of those C&EI GP30's and would like the Kansas city Southern (Red) if you had done the original 1960's numbers.

Really want some Cotton Belts.

When I saw the Pacific's in the catalog I was sad there wasn't ATSF.  Then I got your email this morning saying you were doing one and I'm so excited now.  I'll get on and order mine tonight!

Is it possible to do a Lionchief Plus 2.0 GP-7 in the "The Rock" blue paint scheme

Are there going to be enough orders for the pensy camelback?

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

Heh, Pete, since the wheel decoration is silver and not white, and they removed it later, how about we make them without the silver on the wheels?

Mr. Muffins,

It's your show, what ever you decide. I will fill your inbox with all the photo's of the road number you choose. Just want to help fellow DL&W fans get a good looking steam engine....

@Casper posted:

Are there going to be enough orders for the pensy camelback?

i hope so...

When will we know if there will be enough @MrMuffin'sTrains

The Jersey Central didn't have an actual USRA Pacific but that offering is tempting, I can't decide if it is close enough. I gotta review my budget and see if it can work for me and see if expensive steam is a possibility.

At the end of this week Mr. Muffin will cut the list down for those engines that have less than 10 ordered. Pre-orders are due sometime around the end of February, so as long as any engine offered has more than 10 by the end of this week, it has a chance to be made.

The main thing will be getting enough to make the 25 minimum order. I would imagine like the last time Steve will update on where and what is definitely getting made. I know the last time that there was a good engine that was one of the custom runs, it fell short. I myself would have ordered one just for the sake of trying to get it made had I had extra money to put on it, but couldn't.

Hopefully whatever people are interested in make the cut, but we will know that will not be true for some. All we can do is hope what we want is what gets pushed forward to be made. See what comes.

Here are the models that got at least 10 preorders - so I am going ahead with these

Bummer none of the Milwaukee Roads made the cut. Were any even close?

For those that got approved. I hope they all make the 25+ mark.

@vash44 posted:

Bummer none of the Milwaukee Roads made the cut. Were any even close?

For those that got approved. I hope they all make the 25+ mark.

Western Maryland didn’t make it either.  Actually I’m not surprised.

Thank you Steve for giving us a chance.

I hope all the rest make it.

That’s a shame the NKP GP30 didn’t make it either. I’m surprised that didn’t get at least 10. Hope for the folks who got in on these get enough orders in so they’ll be made.

Sad that ATSF got dropped, really need more steam in this road.  Thanks for giving it a shot.

Mr. Muffins,

Road #1136, is that CORRECT......

@DL&W Pete posted:

Mr. Muffins,

Road #1136, is that CORRECT......

yup, okay

None of the rest got more than 4 preorders.... given I have to buy 25 from Lionel, not too good of a start...

Steve, It’s a bummer more folks didn’t bite on some of these.  I thought that USRA Pacific was an excellent choice to do custom runs.  Thank you again

Mine are getting ordered. Yipppee.   How many did Pete order

Hmm, hopefully the list of engines that is now all make the cut. I'm thinking of also ordering the B&O as well. I like Vandy tenders, and I also like the color that Steve says it was too.

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

yup, okay

None of the rest got more than 4 preorders.... given I have to buy 25 from Lionel, not too good of a start...

Okay, I will send you every picture of 1136 I find in my 12 DL&W books. Just tell me which email address to send them too.....

@bluelinec4 posted:

Mine are getting ordered. Yipppee.   How many did Pete order

Hi Ben, I sent all my O 2&3 rail and HO to auction. I am downsizing completely, what money I get from selling everything I am building a small S scale layout. I am building my own railroad, based off the DL&W-L&NE-MA&PA.

But, depending on which version of 1136 Mr. Muffins gets made.....(one has NEVER been done before)

I swore that I would never order a Lionel BTO engine. You made me eat crow as I just ordered the PC 2189 GP 30. Your orders went up by 1. Just don't tell my wife. Really love the Legacy sounds and always had a liking for the GP30. What would be cool if it had the large Barco Speedometer in the cab. Make it prototypical with an indicator needle that jumps all over the place when starting out.

Good morning, just put that order in for the B&O Pacific. I am guessing Steve will give an update as to what is or isn't in the clear via email and or here. Hope all get ordered.

@MrMuffin'sTrains, how are the orders looking? Are you going to indicate either this week or next week what engines are definitely being order and which are not quite yet to 25 or lower? Figured I'd ask out of curiosity.

We haven't gotten to 25 each, but we are doing these for sure:

• Lionel 21312BO - USRA Pacific - Baltimore & Ohio (Black) #5236 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains - If you want a blue one, we will have it professionally painted for you for an addition $250
• Lionel 21312DLW - USRA Pacific - Delaware, Lackawanna & Western #1133 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21312LN - USRA Pacific - Louisville and Nashville L&N #280 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21312NYC - USRA Pacific - New York Central NYC #3330 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21312M444 - USRA Pacific Steam Locomotive "Monon" #444 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21314Erie Camelbacks - Erie #878
• Lionel 21314PRR Camelbacks - Pennsylvania  #820

• Lionel 21334CGW GP30 - Chicago Great Western # 201 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21334LN GP30 - Louisville & Nashville - L&N #1060 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21334PC GP30 - Penn Central - #2222 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains
• Lionel 21334PCR GP30 - Penn Central - #2189 - Custom Run for MrMuffin'sTrains

Hopefully all get to 25 or more before the cutoff.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Hey Steve, I'm curious as to the color of the boiler, whether it is black, gray, graphite, or what ever other colors they could be? I know it is early and it may take a bit to get information on that, but figured I would ask.

This matters only if it matters to you (it does to me):

The NYC had no USRA Pacifics, and the photo above is one of a NYC K3 Pacific (probably; there were other similar classes), the primary Pacific in NYC Line East service, ultimately replaced in mainline service by the first Hudsons. They did not look very "USRA-ish".

The NYC had few USRA-design steamers: H-6 Light Mikes; U-3 0-8-0 switchers; a few 0-6-0's on a subsidiary I forget; Heavy Mike copies w/changes on the P&LE. I think that was it.

The loco above is not of a USRA engine.

@D500 posted:

The loco above is not of a USRA engine.

No, it's not, but it's close enough for most guys that run their trains on 3 rails.

Stu

I was up for the Western Maryland version, but only 2 other folks were of like mind.  I'm still pondering the B&O in black.  My maternal grandfather fired one of them after returning from WWI.  He had been a fireman for about 10 years before the war as well, but of course not on USRA engines.

February 28th is the deadline, is that right, Steve?

I will not be ordering any of these engines after all.  Thank you Steve for all the hard work putting together these custom runs!!

Here is a great photo of an L&N 4-6-2. It was standard practice for the cylinder heads to be silver. On some divisions the cylinder inspection hatches also were silver as well as the driver tires.

@MrMuffin'sTrains Hey Steve, guessing you are up chest deep in Pacific's(or maybe just about), have the custom runs arrived and are just started to get sorted for their orders? I know some have to go get paint jobs too, figured I would see if they have come in yet.

Got my 2131700 NYC #3330 Legacy Pacific today. Looks great and I can't wait to get it on the track.

Mr. Muffin aka Steve, if you don't mind answering, I understand if you don't want to but I am curious to know how many of the the NYC Pacific's were made on your special run.

@PSU1980  For what it’s worth, it has been posted here on the forum that Lionel raised the minimum order quantity for custom run engines to 40.  

B&O came in today!

https://youtu.be/TJGF_wzGovo

@GregM posted:

@PSU1980  For what it’s worth, it has been posted here on the forum that Lionel raised the minimum order quantity for custom run engines to 40.  

That is not what question is being asked though. Yes the minimum was raised, but that doesn't mean that Steve made the bar with orders(or barely) and even ordered more. Steve got quite a bit of success on most of the offerings he wanted to run. He is very smart on what he can sell and has great ideas on what could also sell and be great. He wanted to do a Monon(I think it was) 2-8-8-2 which I would have ordered to try and help, but unfortunately I had quite a lot of other obligations that prevented that.

I'll message Steve noting the question and see if he'll pop in here. I'm also curious if he'd share the other numbers on the Pacific's.

@PSU1980 posted:

Mr. Muffin aka Steve, if you don't mind answering, I understand if you don't want to but I am curious to know how many of the the NYC Pacific's were made on your special run.

We made 25 or each, except the Monon and B&O and those were 35 each..... as pointed out already, starting with the 2021V1 Catalog, they raised the minimum to 40.

@Catonsville Central Railway posted:

B&O came in today!

https://youtu.be/TJGF_wzGovo

Looks fantastic. I realize some have their hearts set on blue, but it’d be real hard to take an air brush to that gem. Enjoy!

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

We made 25 or each, except the Monon and B&O and those were 35 each..... as pointed out already, starting with the 2021V1 Catalog, they raised the minimum to 40.

Thanks for clearing that up Steve, I can't wait for the B&O in blue to come, but I guess that is going to take a bit for Harry to get through those. You did order one in blue as well, right?

@MrMuffin'sTrains posted:

We made 25 or each, except the Monon and B&O and those were 35 each..... as pointed out already, starting with the 2021V1 Catalog, they raised the minimum to 40.

Okay, now I’m confused, with the minimum at 40 starting with the 2021V1 catalog as confirmed in your reply, only 25 or 35 of a custom engine were made.

@GregM posted:

Okay, now I’m confused, with the minimum at 40 starting with the 2021V1 catalog as confirmed in your reply, only 25 or 35 of a custom engine were made.

I seem to recall the increase to 40 coming along with the Consolidations, which would’ve been 2021v2. That would also explain why the Pacifics were made in smaller numbers since they were in 2021v1.

@Rider Sandman posted:

I seem to recall the increase to 40 coming along with the Consolidations, which would’ve been 2021v2. That would also explain why the Pacifics were made in smaller numbers since they were in 2021v1.

Thanks,

Converted to Kadee with a 3D printed spacer:

Here is a quick video of the NYC 3330 pulling Lionel Milk Cars

@PSU1980 posted:

Here is a quick video of the NYC 3330 pulling Lionel Milk Cars

Very nice indeed!  Nice job pacing!  Were you running? 

@L & N posted:

Converted to Kadee with a 3D printed spacer:

I hope you kids see what a tremendous waste of resources this was…

@PSU1980 posted:

Here is a quick video of the NYC 3330 pulling Lionel Milk Cars

Now that is a great video, and pretty good pulling power too. How many cars, I can't count at the moment?

@Mark Boyce posted:

Very nice indeed!  Nice job pacing!  Were you running? 

I'd like to know that too. Looks real nice, good runs.

Mine will be arriving tomorrow.

@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:

Now that is a great video, and pretty good pulling power too. How many cars, I can't count at the moment?

I'd like to know that too. Looks real nice, good runs.

Mine will be arriving tomorrow.

Great video!