Lionel Dealer Display Layouts, Factory Layouts and Postwar Layouts

Sure, PDF would be fine.

 

Again, thanks much for doing this!

I sent the email out w/ the 2 PDFs
Let me know when you get them

Another thing I just thought of -  Were all the display layouts painted green around the edges?   If so, what would be a good color match?   I was thinking of doing mine gray along with the shelves under the board.

Anybody know what happened to this site?

 

http://www.lionellines.com/displays.html

Was wondering that myself. In my travels around the ‘Net looking for Dealer Display pics and plans, I kept seeing that site referenced only to find a dead link.

Christopher2035:

 

I found a paint in a spray can at either Lowes or Home Depot that is a close match.  Compare my D-190 recreation to some of the original layouts photos (especially the D-133).  When I get home, I'll post the manufacturer and catalog number.

 

 

The paint that closely matches the original wood paint IMHO is Rustoleum Satin #7737 Spruce Green.

 

Thanks for getting back to me on that.   Do you know if anything would be available in a non spray format?  I think that may be better to paint the boards with

Christopher2035:

 

The spraying operation was not bad at all.  Two coats, no primer.

 

You could either spray a test shot out of the can or maybe use a paint chip sample and have HD or Lowes computer match it for brush-on paint.

 

The spray gives a nice finish with no brush marks.

Did find his e-mail address in CTT. He has a few copies available at $100.oo each.

Checked into the site that had all the display layout designs. My guess is that internet address lionellines.com infringed on Lionel's copyrights and it was taken down. Maybe at some point it will reappear under a different location unless the site itself violated some kind of copyright.

 

My guess is that the original Lionel Dealer Display plans are no longer covered by a copyright but the publication by Kalmbach is.

This is my own idea for an 8'x 8' display layout to run three trains. Lionel never did "easements" on their plans with O31 curves, which is something I favor for better operation and appearance. Instead of copying the old plans exactly, why don't we think up some new ideas along similar lines?

 

Using non-derailing switches, if switches A and B are set for the curved route, a train will "random-route" itself on the inner mainline. Switches A and D would need to be the newer style with smaller switch machines; O22 switches probably wouldn't fit. SCARM file attached.

I've modified the previous plan with wider curves on the outer circuits.

 

Ace-  Great layout work as usual.  Have you ever thought of a website housing all your designs?  Could be a small moneymaker with ads (use Google AdSense).  I suspect you'd generate decent traffic from people searching "O Gauge Layouts." 

MichMikeM, Thank You for the comment. I consider my contributions to the forums as a return payment for the camaraderie from other forum members, in terms of information and friendly feedback and occasionally material generosity. If other people like my track plans well enough to actually build them, I enjoy seeing photos of the results.

Ace,

 

On the 8'x8' layout, if you used the disappearing layout technique, you could make the curves on the reverse loop with larger diameter (under the two main loops.)

Great thread.

 

 

John.

I believe I saved this from another post here on the forum. The layout intrigued me and looked like a lot of fun. I haven't finished converting it to FasTrack in SCARM yet.

 

 

Just my opinion, but that layout seems like all sizzle and no steak.  The 3 crossovers don't give you much functionality.  For all those track pieces, crossovers, and switches, the layout doesn't reverse.  In that space and amount of track, one could do much better.

This layout does not connect without modification.  I've looked at O31, O27 and pre-war O31.

 

It's not hard to "fix", I'm just surprised when published layouts aren't correct.

 

  --Joe

Joe,

This was published in an edition of "The Lionel Railroad Magazine for Boys". The plan shows 1/2 length straights as fitters marked as "A".

 

So, it still doesn't fit? I don't know O sizes.

 

MichMikeM,

I agree, all sizzle, especially when trying to manage two trains. That's where I saw the fun. But, many of the Dealer Display layouts were sizzle also. Sell the product.

With no layout, I wanted to find a way to take some photos of the new postwar stuff I got. I also figured that after reading a bunch of books on display layouts, I wanted to try my hand at it before I built a layout. Below is my result. I used some scrap wood I had laying around from the old layout.

It's 34'' x 12''
I painted a gray roadbed & when that dried, I masked it off & painted the base a green color. ( The green I picked is slightly different from ones I've seen - not sure if I like it) .

As the paint dried, I added a mix of Woodland Scenics Grass & Earth blend ground cover. Trying to get the right mix to simulate the ground cover of those classic postwar displays.

I also wired it up so the 256, 445 & 153 all light up, using a postwar 1014 transformer, which is mounted on the back.

What do you guys think -

 

 

 

So, it still doesn't fit?

What doesn't connect are the two s-curves between the turnout and the 90-cross.  (And less critically, the second track from the 4'2" measurement.)

Btw, it looks like a fun runner layout for kids -- for one train.  Lots of possible paths.

  --jcr

Jim Barrett did an article for OGR regarding the D265.  Attached is my rendition in RRTrack using FasTrack that I supplied Jim when a reader requested the track plan...

 

 

Bringing this thread back up because of a new resource for these old Dealer Display Layouts. Just saw this in the latest edition of LCCA's "The Lion Roars" and have to say it sounds very cool.

 

This gentleman (his name is Bob Osterhoff)  offers various "paper" train products on DVD and he's just released Part IV which includes Dealer Display Layouts, Original Instructions Sheets for building and wiring, and other information. Says it covers 57 (!) different layouts and totals over 150 pages of content.  $18.50 + 2.00 shipping.

 

I'm still planning which dealer display I want to build so -----  I'm ordering ASAP!

 

Here's the web site:

 

http://www.trainpaper.com/

Many thanks for the mention of my new DVD-ROM on Postwar Dealer Display Layouts.  I'm pleased to say this has turned out to be the most comprehensive listing of display layout schematics ever produced, due to the generous contributions of several fellow collectors.

 

Bob Osterhoff

www.trainpaper.com

 

 

Hi Bob,

 

As I mentioned above, I have been contemplating building a second layout for some time and have always been interested in the Lionel Dealer Displays. This thread really got the discussion going and I know several of us here have one of these classic layouts or are planning them.

 

So I was glad to read about the new DVD being offered. I'll be ordering it tomorrow.

 

Cheers!

The original plans may or may not be copy righted.  Making copies of the book is copy right infringement. I don't think anyone said you couldn't have a copy of the plans, you just can't copy them from the book pages.

Correct!

Greetings!

I want to build D-264 with Fastrack.

Is there a track plan or software to convert old track to Fastrack??

 

Thanx!!

RichieDrums,

email me. in profile.

Moonman,

I don't see the email in your profile.....

My email is Ritchiedrums@yahoo.com

 

FYI

Look under extended profile for email address of members.

Copyright is governed by fair use case law.  The devil is very much in the details as I understand it.  You can make a few copies of pages for your personal use pretty much to your heart's content since (a) it's for your personal use,  (b) it meets criteria for fair use and (c) it does not deprive the copyright owner of sales.

 

I'm no intellectual property lawyer, but making a single page copy free for a friend is very likely to be considered fair use.  Copying the whole book or a whole chapter probably crosses the line. Making copies for a few dozen people, or charging for any such copying, even a single page, also likely crosses the line. I think it is questionable to maintain that copying, without charge, for a friend,  a single track plan from a book that is out of print,  is infringement.  That's not what my intellectual property gurus tell me .  But you'd have to take it to trial to find out for sure.  I cannot imagine why anyone would waste their time doing so, but different strokes for different folks.

I have been working in the Music Industry for over 20 years.

It is very difficult to get paid these days.

Also hard to stop people from Stealing/downloading All of your work.

 

If the biggest worry you have in this community is that someone is Stealing a 

page or 2 out of a book( and the original book was paid for$$...)

I think you have little to worry about.........

Funny how this otherwise great thread on Lionel Dealer Layouts keeps getting "bumped" with the copyright issue discussion.

 

It's all moot anyway.  Or maybe I should say that Carp's book isn't the only source so no worries. See my post up above from several months back. I bought the fantastic DVD that offers all of the Lionel Dealer Display layouts including track plans, wiring diagrams, and a list of track and accessories needed. I'm building one now and the original plans have been invaluable.

 

Btw -- if I can assist anyone who wants plans, shoot me an email with the layout # and I'll provide them in pdf format.

Does anyone have plans for the d-192.   Saw it on YouTube and want to build it.  Thanks.  Nate

I just finished the D-190 using Fastrack it works really good.

Below is a display layout that was set up some time in the early 1970s in Branch Brook on Rte 36 in Hazlet, NJ.  I did this drawing from memory using RRTrack.

 

Using O27 track, it fits on a 4x6" board.  I don't remember what accessories were placed on the layout, but I do remember being fascinated when I was a kid by the path the train would take, and by the use of two 45 degree crossovers along with the 90 degree one.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa!  You can't make comments like that without posting pictures! 

Could you post some when you get a chance?

Thanks,

Steve