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While I'm not into all the newest of the new anymore, may I ask what is the difference between the "Superbass" and just a regular model? I see the "Superbass" versions are less when I thought they would be more, just my observation though. I I were to purchase a model, not this particular one, but any model, should I get the Superbass or the regular version? Thanks in advance.

I'm excited! Finally, a GE/Wabtec ET44 in O-Scale! I plan to order at least one of the BNSF ET44C4 versions, and maybe a UP version in the future. Plus, the BNSF units have the truck details that I was hoping for. I was still hoping for rotating bearing caps on these engines. That would make them amazing! The control stands in the cab of these engines is such a cool addition. Hopefully the cab roof will be removable to allow operators to see the details like Lionel did with their Vision GEVO Hybrid. The 4-Digit Addressing will be awesome with the Base 3/Cab 3 (which I have on order).

Other paint schemes and variations needed:

-CN Heritage Units (now Lionel has the accurate ET44AC locomotive to make these units, instead of using the ES44 tooling)

-UP New Corporate Livery

-Military and Fantasy Paint Schemes

-Also hoping for the new BNSF ET44ACH units in the future

@ConrailFan posted:

While I'm not into all the newest of the new anymore, may I ask what is the difference between the "Superbass" and just a regular model? I see the "Superbass" versions are less when I thought they would be more, just my observation though. I I were to purchase a model, not this particular one, but any model, should I get the Superbass or the regular version? Thanks in advance.

I always thought SuperBass models were unpowered models.

@ConrailFan posted:

While I'm not into all the newest of the new anymore, may I ask what is the difference between the "Superbass" and just a regular model? I see the "Superbass" versions are less when I thought they would be more, just my observation though. I I were to purchase a model, not this particular one, but any model, should I get the Superbass or the regular version? Thanks in advance.

It's in the description on the Lionel page. They have an extra speaker and enclosure, no motors.



I'll be in for several ET44's. I hope manufactures take note and start producing more modern equipment in both locomotives and rolling stock.

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a long time dream of a legacy et44 has come true for me but it came at a time where i'm broke as heck with 20 grand in student debt and not knowing if i can even hold a regular job being autistic with cerebral palsy.

800 bucks is really steep but if i went for one it would probably be a CSX one because i've caught about 3 different times railfanning

I usually don't model the current day era of railroading, but something about these locomotives is quite endearing, nonetheless. I may or may not order one since they don't fit my preferred time period, but I will say I commend Lionel for taking what looks like a lot of time and effort to making these familiar yet popular, current day locomotives, and I'm sure they'll get their money back and then some for awhile out of the tooling.

Lionel seems to have outdone themselves a bit with this model. The walkway and platform lights are a nice touch and the DPU light on the CN version is a welcome feature. And they finally have a ES44/ET44 BNSF loco with the correct "C4" style trucks. Seems I will have to order 2 from the catalog, a BNSF and CN.

My only minor concern is if they will get the dimensions correct, as the ET44s are around 1.5 feet longer than an ES44. Which translates to the model being 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch longer. But also that the CN version has special anti-ice walkways along the side of the long hood that have grates to prevent water from pooling on the walkways and freezing. I hope those are at least simulated on the CN version, having them see through would be an incredible detail!

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@MichaelB posted:

Lionel seems to have outdone themselves a bit with this model. The walkway and platform lights are a nice touch and the DPU light on the CN version is a welcome feature. And they finally have a ES44/ET44 BNSF loco with the correct "C4" style trucks. Seems I will have to order 2 from the catalog, a BNSF and CN.

My only minor concern is if they will get the dimensions correct, as the ET44s are around 1.5 feet longer than an ES44. Which translates to the model being 1/4 to 3/8 of an inch longer. But also that the CN version has special anti-ice walkways along the side of the long hood that have grates to prevent water from pooling on the walkways and freezing. I hope those are at least simulated on the CN version, having them see through would be an incredible detail!

Lionel posted a video of the models on facebook. They are slightly longer models than the es44s.

@ConrailFan posted:

While I'm not into all the newest of the new anymore, may I ask what is the difference between the "Superbass" and just a regular model? I see the "Superbass" versions are less when I thought they would be more, just my observation though. I I were to purchase a model, not this particular one, but any model, should I get the Superbass or the regular version? Thanks in advance.

The superbass diesels are non powered units with a robust sound unit in them giving a deeper prime mover throb. Jence the reason why they are a little less than powered legacy units.

The only version missing from the brochure is the GE Demo ET44ACs with both the plain blue and the green and blue liveries. Those would have required the more boxy long hood styling to be tooled.

I agree, that was a missed oppurtunity for the first release. But I can see why they instead choose all the class 1 railroads as part of the first production run, more people would be interested in those than a GE Demo version. But I suspect that one will come in a future rerun

At the end of the video, Ryan said that in about another month there will be another video with another all new tooling engine.

Yeah. He said next month. Hopefully it will be a Siemens Charger with all the lighting features, accurate sounds, and 4-Digit Addressing (plus matching Siemens Venture and Superliner Cars). I'd also love a Progress Rail/EMD SD70ACe-T4.

Also coming soon is a Demos With Dave on the Base 3. Dave said that would be coming sometime next week or the week after.

There are many posts hoping for a Siemens Charger. For Lionel to make the Charger Locomotive they have to get a license from Siemens. Lionel has tried to get a license from Siemens, but for whatever reason Siemens has refused to grant Lionel permission to make models of their products. Thus, unless there is a significant change in policy from Siemens, Charger locomotive from Lionel is highly unlikely.

@WBC posted:

There are many posts hoping for a Siemens Charger. For Lionel to make the Charger Locomotive they have to get a license from Siemens. Lionel has tried to get a license from Siemens, but for whatever reason Siemens has refused to grant Lionel permission to make models of their products. Thus, unless there is a significant change in policy from Siemens, Charger locomotive from Lionel is highly unlikely.

Chargers are available for pre order from 3rd Rail

@ConrailFan posted:

While I'm not into all the newest of the new anymore, may I ask what is the difference between the "Superbass" and just a regular model? I see the "Superbass" versions are less when I thought they would be more, just my observation though. I I were to purchase a model, not this particular one, but any model, should I get the Superbass or the regular version? Thanks in advance.

Superbass is a non powered.

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