Has anyone heard the status of this engine? It was due last November, then delayed to Feb 2017 and now March is here.
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They are on the water now. Expecting them to hit our docks in roughly two weeks.
I await mine, so I'm happy to hear they're getting close.
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These better have a good k5la !!!! I hope they will be here by Greenburg!
Speaking of the F-40 does anyone know how the cabbage unit will work as a push pull unit in lash ups?
Based on my predictions, much like last year with the road specific SD40, these engines will be here alive and well before the April York Meet. Patience is a virtue guys.
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:
Speaking of the F-40 does anyone know how the cabbage unit will work as a push pull unit in lash ups?
I see no reason to think they wont work like any other legacy lashup.
Program the cabbage as the lead unit so the lights and sounds work, then program the powered unit as the trailing unit in reverse.
Put them on either end of the train and go.
The real question is whether the kinematic coupler mechanism has a strong enough spring to be shoved against without doing something odd to the train handling. The kinematic couplers dont seem to like to be pushed around curves.
Any word on when the passenger cars will be in?
Can't wait!!!!!!
@Dave Olson Hello! It has now been around two weeks since you last posted about the F40PH arriving at your docks, since it has been around two weeks. Do you have any updates on the status of these locomotives? Thanks
AmtrakNickFilms posted:@Dave Olson Hello! It has now been around two weeks since you last posted about the F40PH arriving at your docks, since it has been around two weeks. Do you have any updates on the status of these locomotives? Thanks
Hi Nick. These were actually just received in yesterday. A couple more days for sorting and paperwork, and they'll ship back out!
Ryan and I are planning on doing a video for these engines as there are a couple of cool features to them, including a lash-up feature where the CrewTalk will come from whichever unit (powered or cabbage) is leading the train. More details to come!
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I guess that means my pre-order will be in soon, better warm up the credit card.
Thank you soooo much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so relieved to see that they made it across the ocean!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am looking forward to seeing the video of the cabbage unit and the loco together!
@Dave Olson Thank you so much for the responding to me! I am very excited for them to come and I also am very excited for the video that you are going to make.
Sweet action!! Can't wait to get them, Now we need in a future catalog matching 21" superliners!
with station sounds diners!
I agree
If you will be looking for a review of the engine #388 as soon as it comes out, check out my YouTube channel: AmtrakNickFilms
Thanks Dave Olsen and Lionel. Nice to see these arriving!
Fred
It would be really cool if there was a head-end power mode where you could lock the diesel RPM in run 8. Not counting on it but that would be awesome.
@Dave Olson Hello! it has now been about a week since you mentioned the arrival of the Legacy F-40ph at your warehouse and I just wanted to know the current status of the engine and If it shipped back out to dealers. Also I remember you mentioned you and Ryan Kunkle are making a video about the Loco and the Cabbage Loco´s cool features, how is that coming along?
Thanks for your help!
I am also very curious to know when the video will be finished and when the f40 will be arriving at dealers. I hope the video is great!
Me too me too!!!!!
So, I would like a to see the vidieo , but I would much more like to see the model delivered here. When will we see these at our home layouts?
I grow impatient knowing they are here from China.
Fred
I agree with AUDI all the way!!
Well Guys I have good news, I just messaged Train world and they told me that they were just shipped 1 Lionel F40ph, and the rest are due within this week or next week. I'm glad to see these awesome engines are FINALLY arriving.
Got mine today. A beautiful locomotive!
Mike W. posted:Got mine today. A beautiful locomotive!
Cool! Can you show us a picture?
I also ordered #364 so I'm glad to see what it looks like!
Mike W., thanks for sharing!
Sadly I have no layout prepared right now due to space and moving stuff around. I plan to have it back up soon though! I wish Lionel or MTH would supply a true heritage consist for these. Maybe Amfleet too.
Oh ok, thanks for the pictures!
If anyone has any more pictures or videos of this new engine please feel free to share!
In case anyone didn't see yet, TrainWorld's Ken Bianco Jr. and Sr. were very generous to have Ryan Kunkle demonstrate these engines at their shop during his visit. So, say thanks to them and Ryan for getting this video shot today.
I hope all the fans here are happy!
Sounds great from here. Looks like a winner to me. I really wish they'd make 2 rail!
The horn sounds perfect. Can't wait to get mine!
Engineer-Joe posted:Sounds great from here. Looks like a winner to me. I really wish they'd make 2 rail!
These locomotive have an option to convert them to Kadee couplers.
Did anyone else order their Legacy F40ph from Legacy Station? Because its been awhile since Lionel shipped them out from their Concord warehouse and mine hasn't arrived yet and I know some others have gotten theirs already........
I still have the Lionel F40PH Legacy on my bucket list. I did not do the built to order. I would like to see this loco, some dealers always order extras. Below is a K-Line F40PH, I would guess about 15 years old. I wonder if Lionel has the molds that made this locomotive. TMCC
I did watch the YT video from Train World, that was posted yesterday. Very helpful.
Gary
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@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Did anyone else order their Legacy F40ph from Legacy Station? Because its been awhile since Lionel shipped them out from their Concord warehouse and mine hasn't arrived yet and I know some others have gotten theirs already........
Full distribution takes time. I haven't gotten called about mine either (not from LS).
Boilermaker1 posted:@T1Titan_ZachF posted:Did anyone else order their Legacy F40ph from Legacy Station? Because its been awhile since Lionel shipped them out from their Concord warehouse and mine hasn't arrived yet and I know some others have gotten theirs already........
Full distribution takes time. I haven't gotten called about mine either (not from LS).
Same here also not from LS
I ordered mine from trainworld and they have already received 1 and the rest are due this week (probably tomorrow)
AmtrakNickFilms posted:I ordered mine from trainworld and they have already received 1 and the rest are due this week (probably tomorrow)
He sure is right ! and it was confirmed Saturday via Facebook live.
I ordered mine from Charles Ro and I haven't seen a charge on my credit card yet.
Neal Jeter
Lionlman posted:I ordered mine from Charles Ro and I haven't seen a charge on my credit card yet.
Neal Jeter
Oh ok thanks for sharing!
Wish they posted a video about the cabbage. Excited to get mine! Also, I hope they do an amtrak Veterans cabbage in the future.
Maxrailroad posted:Wish they posted a video about the cabbage. Excited to get mine! Also, I hope they do an amtrak Veterans cabbage in the future.
I hope Lionel makes an Amtrak #90208 veterans cabbage!!
I agree, Zach, I find it ironic that the only Cabbage units that they made were in Phase 3, yet there are no cabbage in phase 3, except 406. They didn't even make 406! Regardless, I'm buying one. I can't resist phase 3
We must have the right "Train of Thought" Max, I just hope Lionel gets those Licensing agreements from NJT, Metra, MTA, and the Grand Canyon Railway to make more F40s!
I would love an NJT version. I have the 4 pack of MTH cars waiting for an ALP46 (still looking) to come in, and they are DYING to be ran.
I picked up the extreme Hard to Find Atlas O MTA Comets at a show a little while ago.... and the cab car is wicked cool. I hope Lionel will make an MTA F40 so I will have something MTA official (Besides my Subway Set) to pull my passenger cars around the layout...
You can see those cars in this video here
About 20 miles from my train room, I can still catch a; F40PH.
Windsor, Ontario • Canada / VIA Rail to Toronto / This will be Lionel's next F40PH.
Gary
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trainroomgary posted:
Gary
I have often thought about driving up to Windsor and taking VIA to Toronto for the weekend. Have you ever left your car in Windsor to do this and is there safe parking?
Scott
VistaDomeScott posted:trainroomgary posted:About 20 miles from my train room, I can still catch a; F40PH.
Windsor, Ontario • Canada / VIA Rail to Toronto / This will be Lionel's next F40PH.
Gary
Gary
I have often thought about driving up to Windsor and taking VIA to Toronto for the weekend. Have you ever left your car in Windsor to do this and is there safe parking?
Scott
Hi Scott
There is a lot of free parking, and you are in Canada. A crime free zone. You will not need a passport, I have a Michigan Enhanced Driver's License / which is a passport to Canada. They have the same thing in Ontario, to come to Michigan. This was done to keep up tourism on both sides of the border.
If you have children, with you / must have proof, they are your children.
Safe Travels: Gary
Gary.. thanks for info. This summer I will try this out!
If anyone would be looking to see a very detailed review of the f40 as soon as it comes out, subscribe to my YouTube channel: AmtrakNickFilms
Nothing confirmed, I hope Lionel will make a Grand Canyon f40, I asked during the livestream over the weekend and they said they could do it in the future.
Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel I have the newest MTH Amtrak F40PH and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode. I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...
Joe
Joe, have you never stood next to a screaming F40 at rest on a platform? Same RPM's at rest and at 72mph!
Jon
JC642 posted:Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel I have the newest MTH Amtrak F40PH and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode. I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...
Joe
Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz.
MTH F40PH / 2016 Volume 2 / They have the VIA Rail F40PH
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Use the MTH Product Locator to find these F40PH & Passenger Cars
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The old story which is a better ride; The Bowtie or The Oval? I always go with the "Oval"
When it comes to Model Trains the same thing; Orange or Purple. I will go with the "Purple" - most of the time but I do also run the Orange. This is a toss up, not Black & White. lol
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I just picked up a 2 pack of the Mth Amtrak phase 3 Bi levels, and they are absolutely amazing.
Hot Water posted:JC642 posted:Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel I have the newest MTH Amtrak F40PH and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode. I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...
Joe
Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz.
LOL, I guess I'm not. What I know is, I've heard F40PH's sitting at the station wailing away but didn't know they still keep those high RPM's when running. Almost like flooring a car still in neutral Amazing the motors don't blow up.
joe
JC642 posted:Hot Water posted:JC642 posted:Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel I have the newest MTH Amtrak F40PH and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode. I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...
Joe
Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz.
LOL, I guess I'm not. What I know is, I've heard F40PH's sitting at the station wailing away but didn't know they still keep those high RPM's when running.
If they are providing Herad End Power, that they MUST run like that.
Almost like flooring a car still in neutral
No. Not even close, as there is a load in that engine.
Amazing the motors don't blow up.
First they are NOT "motors", they are engines. Second, that is what they are designed to do, and thus are classed as medium speed diesel engines. That speed of 900 RPM is really no big deal, as the engine in your automobile is capable of 5000 RPM.
joe
Hot Water posted:Amazing the motors don't blow up.
First they are NOT "motors", they are engines. Second, that is what they are designed to do, and thus are classed as medium speed diesel engines. That speed of 900 RPM is really no big deal, as the engine in your automobile is capable of 5000 RPM.
joe
Hot Water, thanks for the information, appreciated. I must say, you respond similar to Sister Agnella, my fifth grade teacher. This nun was so cruel my hands can still feel the pain of her wooden pointer when I made a mistake.....
joe
Hi all.
Here's our F40PH video. Hopefully this answers most questions you have. Let us know if you have any other questions and we'll do our best to answer them.
Thanks!
Thanks for the informative video Dave. It looks like you guys went an extra mile on these. The pair-up control is a really nice touch to these engines, and I love the horn sound used. Looking forward to seeing the next Lionel product video.
Thanks for producing this video, I hope to be receiving my F40 #364 in the coming days.
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Very nice video! I am so excited to get my Cabbage. I may even get another one if you guys make a Veterans. My question is can you run the Cabbage without another F40 in a lashup, with my Lionel Amtrak Dash 9 or maybe A MTH engine?
Do the Cabbage unit smoke? It's not listed in the features.
Trainlover9943 posted:Do the Cabbage unit smoke? It's not listed in the features.
Why would you want a "Cabbage" to smoke? The real ones don't have prime movers (diesel engines), thus there is NOTHING to "smoke".
Hot Water posted:Trainlover9943 posted:Do the Cabbage unit smoke? It's not listed in the features.
Why would you want a "Cabbage" to smoke? The real ones don't have prime movers (diesel engines), thus there is NOTHING to "smoke".
Forgot about that.
@Maxrailroad Yes, but you will not have the features of having the crew talk coming from the engine that is leading, if you are going to plan on running it in a lash up with you dash 9.
Nice video.
Thanks for posting!
I am also looking forward to receiving my engine and cabbage units that I ordered from Charles Ro soon!
Now that's one of the best sounding horns I've ever heard on any LEGACY diesel engine!
Zach - I sure hope you don't have any problems with the engine. With your enthusiasm I can only imagine how you would take that. Best of luck of course.
William 1 posted:Zach - I sure hope you don't have any problems with the engine. With your enthusiasm I can only imagine how you would take that. Best of luck of course.
Hey best of luck to you as well, I sure hope I don't have any problems with 364, if it ever gets to New Jersey..
AmtrakNickFilms posted:Nothing confirmed, I hope Lionel will make a Grand Canyon f40, I asked during the livestream over the weekend and they said they could do it in the future.
I hope they also do this paintscheme of the Via Rail F40PH.
Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
Considering all the other paint schemes out there that can be done and in sufficient demand, Lionel should get some good use out of this new tooling.
Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
The 710 sounds more refined / toned down. The 645 sounds different. Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BI6y4xM4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngARGn6Spk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatYZDYeDDM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE5Z68fzAvA
SPSF posted:Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds
OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?
The 710 sounds more refined / toned down.
That is your opinion.
The 645 sounds different.
Not in my opinion, having dealt with EMD 567, 645, and 710 engines for more than 40 years. For what it's worth, the absolute LOUDEST diesel unit EMD ever produced was the DDA40X, with twin 16-645F3 engines and NO EXHAUST SILENCERS.
Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40
Just my opinion but, unless you have spent a lifetime working on and around EMD turbocharged engines, it really doesn't matter.
Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
If I looked at it from the non- railroad side, the first thing I would demand is that the same equipment be used to record each engine in the exact same conditions, same exact location. That would also include facts like rpm and such, at idle.
That might not seem like much. After handling audio equipment for years I have noticed quite some differences. Now, with mics built into phones and cameras, it might seem to level the field. I would not trust them to be the same.
So comparing 3 idling engines recorded from overhead, to a more modern one at trackside, without even knowing what was used, seems ridiculous to a person like me.
SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE
You are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdEYou are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them
BigJohn&theWork posted:Hot Water posted:SPSF posted:Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf. I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound. It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound. I saw these both at idle and accelerating.
Tell me that these sound the same:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdEYou are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed.
When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.
On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.
I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them
MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!
Maybe Lionel has to put future F40PH, back on the drawing board.
Start working on Siemen’s, New SC-44 Charger - Amtrak and several other road names and California Department of Transportation.
Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP / Lionel • MTH or Atlas?
Gary
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Or maybe even the Amtrak P42DC, as well as other paint schemes. This would be a total best seller. And while we're at it, maybe even some 21" Superliner cars to go with them.
Peter Araujo posted:Or maybe even the Amtrak P42DC, as well as other paint schemes. This would be a total best seller. And while we're at it, maybe even some 21" Superliner cars to go with them.
Hi Peter: If you can make MTH work on your layout, they have several paint schemes. Some are in stock.
Gary
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If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.
Peter Araujo posted:If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.
Hi Peter: You have Mike Wolf in your OGR Forum Avatar - Hit him up with an e-mail or a phone call. Just ask him for kinematic pilots on MTH, • MTH also has the 21' Super-liners.
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trainroomgary posted:
This doesn't mean I only collect MTH, I also collect Lionel, Atlas, and a little bit of Weaver Models. I don't think MTH will want to do something like that to the pilots. Also their Superliner cars are actually 18" in length, not 21". That would be cool though, but it's best not to bother so they can stay in business.