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@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

 

 

Speaking of the F-40 does anyone know how the cabbage unit will work as a push pull unit in lash ups?

I see no reason to think they wont work like any other legacy lashup. 

Program the cabbage as the lead unit so the lights and sounds work, then program the powered unit as the trailing unit in reverse. 

Put them on either end of the train and go.

The real question is whether the kinematic coupler mechanism has a strong enough spring to be shoved against without doing something odd to the train handling. The kinematic couplers dont seem to like to be pushed around curves. 

AmtrakNickFilms posted:

@Dave Olson Hello! It has now been around two weeks since you last posted about the F40PH arriving at your docks, since it has been around two weeks. Do you have any updates on the status of these locomotives? Thanks

Hi Nick. These were actually just received in yesterday. A couple more days for sorting and paperwork, and they'll ship back out!

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Ryan and I are planning on doing a video for these engines as there are a couple of cool features to them, including a lash-up feature where the CrewTalk will come from whichever unit (powered or cabbage) is leading the train. More details to come!

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@Dave Olson Hello! it has now been about a week since you mentioned the arrival of the Legacy F-40ph at your warehouse and I just wanted to know the current status of the engine and If it shipped back out to dealers. Also I remember you mentioned you and Ryan Kunkle are making a video about the Loco and the Cabbage Loco´s cool features, how is that coming along?

Thanks for your help!

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I still have the Lionel F40PH Legacy on my bucket list. I did not do the built to order.  I would like to see this loco, some dealers always order extras. Below is a K-Line F40PH, I would guess about 15 years old.  I wonder if Lionel has the molds that made this locomotive. TMCC

I did watch the YT video from Train World, that was posted yesterday. Very helpful. 

K-Line Amtrak F40PH Train Room GaryL-Line Amtrak F40PH MTH-DCS Controller

Gary

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@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Did anyone else order their Legacy F40ph from Legacy Station? Because its been awhile since Lionel shipped them out from their Concord warehouse and mine hasn't arrived yet and I know some others have gotten theirs already........

Full distribution takes time.  I haven't gotten called about mine either (not from LS). 

Boilermaker1 posted:
@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

Did anyone else order their Legacy F40ph from Legacy Station? Because its been awhile since Lionel shipped them out from their Concord warehouse and mine hasn't arrived yet and I know some others have gotten theirs already........

Full distribution takes time.  I haven't gotten called about mine either (not from LS). 

Same here also not from LS

VistaDomeScott posted:
trainroomgary posted:

About 20 miles from my train room, I can still catch a; F40PH.

Windsor, Ontario • Canada  /  VIA Rail to Toronto / This will be Lionel's next F40PH.

Gary

Gary

  I have often thought about driving up to Windsor and taking VIA to Toronto for the weekend.  Have you ever left your car in Windsor to do this and is there safe parking?

Scott

Hi Scott

There is a lot of free parking, and you are in Canada.  A crime free zone.  You will not need a passport, I have a Michigan Enhanced Driver's License  /  which is a passport to Canada.  They have the same thing in Ontario, to come to Michigan.  This was done to keep up tourism on both sides of the border. 

If you have children, with you / must have proof, they are your children.

Safe Travels: Gary

Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel   I have the newest  MTH Amtrak F40PH  and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode.   I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...

Joe 

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JC642 posted:

Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel   I have the newest  MTH Amtrak F40PH  and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode.   I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...

Joe 

Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz. 

MTH F40PH  /  2016 Volume 2  /  They have the VIA Rail F40PH

MTH F40PH Locos 2016 Vol 2

Need Passenger Cars for your Lionel Legacy F40PH, Check out MTH, 2016 Volume 2

MTH Passenger Cars for F40PH 2016 Vol 2

Use the MTH Product Locator to find these F40PH & Passenger Cars 

http://mthtrains.com/product_locator

The old story which is a better ride; The Bowtie or The Oval?  I always go with the "Oval"

When it comes to Model Trains the same thing;  Orange or Purple.  I will go with the "Purple" - most of the time but I do also run the Orange.  This is a toss up, not Black & White. lol 

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Hot Water posted:
JC642 posted:

Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel   I have the newest  MTH Amtrak F40PH  and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode.   I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...

Joe 

Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz. 

LOL, I guess I'm not.  What I know is, I've heard F40PH's sitting at the station wailing away but didn't know they still keep those high RPM's  when running.   Almost like flooring a car still in neutral  Amazing the motors don't blow up.

joe 

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JC642 posted:
Hot Water posted:
JC642 posted:

Does anyone know what is the normal Amtrak engine speed run # is for the F40PH? I read somewhere it normally is set at Run #8 for travel   I have the newest  MTH Amtrak F40PH  and while I believe engine & horn sound is dead on perfect, especially the horn, at run#8 it sounds like the screaming motor will explode.   I just can't believe this engine could take more then a few minutes running at that high RPM level...

Joe 

Apparently you are not familiar with the EMD 16 cylinder, turbocharged 645E3 engine series. Also, since the HEP (Head End Power) generator is mechanically connected to the main diesel, thus in order to provide 60hz, 480 volt three phase electrical power for the attached passenger cars, the main diesel engine MUST operate at a constant 908 RPM, regardless of the load or Engineer's throttle position, in order maintain that 60hz. 

LOL, I guess I'm not.  What I know is, I've heard F40PH's sitting at the station wailing away but didn't know they still keep those high RPM's  when running.

If they are providing Herad End Power, that they MUST run like that.

  Almost like flooring a car still in neutral

No. Not even close, as there is a load in that engine.

 Amazing the motors don't blow up.

First they are NOT "motors", they are engines. Second, that is what they are designed to do, and thus are classed as medium speed diesel engines. That speed of 900 RPM is really no big deal, as the engine in your automobile is capable of 5000 RPM.

joe 

 

Hot Water posted:
 

 Amazing the motors don't blow up.

First they are NOT "motors", they are engines. Second, that is what they are designed to do, and thus are classed as medium speed diesel engines. That speed of 900 RPM is really no big deal, as the engine in your automobile is capable of 5000 RPM.

joe 

 Hot Water, thanks for the information, appreciated.   I must say, you respond similar to Sister Agnella, my fifth grade teacher.  This nun was so cruel my hands can still feel the pain of her wooden pointer when I made a mistake..... 

joe

 

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Hot Water posted:
SPSF posted:

Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds

OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?

The 710 sounds more refined / toned down.   The 645 sounds different.  Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0BI6y4xM4Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ngARGn6Spk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FatYZDYeDDM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PE5Z68fzAvA

SPSF posted:
Hot Water posted:
SPSF posted:

Still using the Incorrect 710 prime mover sounds

OK, how does a turbocharged EMD 16-645 with an exhaust silencer, sound different than a turbocharged 16-710 with an exhaust silencer?

The 710 sounds more refined / toned down. 

That is your opinion.

  The 645 sounds different. 

Not in my opinion, having dealt with EMD 567, 645, and 710 engines for more than 40 years. For what it's worth, the absolute LOUDEST diesel unit EMD ever produced was the DDA40X, with twin 16-645F3 engines and NO EXHAUST SILENCERS.

Lionel is using a one size fits all chip - like they did with their SD40

Just my opinion but, unless you have spent a lifetime working on and around EMD turbocharged engines, it really doesn't matter.

 

 

Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf.  I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound.   It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound.  I saw these both at idle and accelerating.

Tell me that these sound the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE

SPSF posted:

Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf.  I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound.   It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound.  I saw these both at idle and accelerating.

Tell me that these sound the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE

If I looked at it from the non- railroad side, the first thing I would demand is that the same equipment be used to record each engine in the exact same conditions, same exact location. That would also include facts like rpm and such, at idle.

 That might not seem like much. After handling audio equipment for years I have noticed quite some differences. Now, with mics built into phones and cameras, it might seem to level the field. I would not trust them to be the same.

 So comparing 3 idling engines recorded from overhead, to a more modern one at trackside, without even knowing what was used, seems ridiculous to a person like me.

SPSF posted:

Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf.  I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound.   It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound.  I saw these both at idle and accelerating.

Tell me that these sound the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE

You are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed. 

When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.

On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.

Hot Water posted:
SPSF posted:

Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf.  I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound.   It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound.  I saw these both at idle and accelerating.

Tell me that these sound the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE

You are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed. 

When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.

On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.

I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them

BigJohn&theWork posted:
Hot Water posted:
SPSF posted:

Not opinion. If you cannot distinguish between the two, you are tone deaf.  I have photographed just about ALL Santa Fe SD40, SD45, SD45-2, F45, FP45 and remember when the GP60 came out it had a Different sound.   It wasn't in my head, It is a different sound.  I saw these both at idle and accelerating.

Tell me that these sound the same:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lavPKAsDlp4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dViB5ckrRdE

You are trying to compare sounds of a 40/45 series units, without exhaust silencers, to Dash-2 series units WITH exhaust silencers, to a 710 with a different/larger exhaust silencer. Not to mention the fact that earlier EMD units equipped with 645 engines had much higher idle speeds, than the later Dash-2 series units, and then finally the 710 engines with the VERY low idle speed. 

When comparing the full load exhaust sound of any Dash-2 series unit (with exhaust silencer) to the full load exhaust sound of the 710 equipped units (again with exhaust silencer), they all sound pretty much the same.

On the other hand, I may very well be "tone deaf", after more than 40 years of diesel and steam locomotive exhausts! That said, comparing them at idle is a waste of time, in my opinion, as there are way too many designs differences.

I think if this is the biggest issue with these, then we can safely say lionel did a GREAT job on them

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!

Maybe Lionel has to put future F40PH, back on the drawing board.

Start working on Siemen’s, New SC-44 Charger - Amtrak and several other road names and California Department of Transportation.

Sieman SC-44 Charger Loco

Who will bring us the New Siemens, SC-44 Charger Locomotive, built at Sacramento, California, Top speed of 125 Miles Per Hour and 4400 HP  /  Lionel • MTH  or Atlas?

Gary

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Peter Araujo posted:

Or maybe even the Amtrak P42DC, as well as other paint schemes.   This would be a total best seller.  And while we're at it, maybe even some 21" Superliner cars to go with them.

Hi Peter: If you can make MTH work on your layout, they have several paint schemes. Some are in stock.

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Gary

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trainroomgary posted:
Peter Araujo posted:

If Lionel would do it, they would give them the Kinematic pilots.

Hi Peter: You have Mike Wolf in your OGR Forum Avatar - Hit him up with an e-mail or a phone call.  Just ask him for kinematic pilots on MTH, •  MTH also has the 21' Super-liners.

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This doesn't mean I only collect MTH, I also collect Lionel, Atlas, and a little bit of Weaver Models.  I don't think MTH will want to do something like that to the pilots.  Also their Superliner cars are actually 18" in length, not 21".  That would be cool though, but it's best not to bother so they can stay in business.

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