Topic title says it all.  I know all of the older Hudsons pretty well.  But who can point me to a list of the Hudsons made from, say, 1993 or 1994 through to the 11209 Vision Line model?  I'm trying to figure out when Lionel made changes to the chassis.  I think it went through at least two iterations.  Especially, which ones have the wheels that screw into the ends of the axles.  Thanks!

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After the later 700E (18005) was produced in 1990, the next Hudson in line was the C&O “ yellow belly” produced in ‘95.....both of these models have pressed on wheels....1996 saw the 18045 CV Hudson. This is the first Hudson from Lionel with screwed on drivers. Followed by 18056 (763E w/ vandy tender) & 18062 ( SF Hudson from warhorse) both having screwed on drivers.......all mentioned above are Pulmor powered.....there’s a couple uncatalogued pieces, 18058, ( 773 with screwed on drivers) 18063 & 18067 both CV Hudsons.......18063 has screwed on drivers, while 18067 was basically a reissue of 18045 with weathering....all of the above share some common parts as 700E’s and are the same basic platform as 700’s....most share a host of exacting part numbers.....I’m sure there’s more models in this family, but I’ll leave room for others to share them and insert them by year.....Korean production saw 6-28072 the first J3 Hudson....there’s 3 models in this family that share parts...all 3 have screwed on drivers, but do not share parts with the 700E Pulmor equipped family. 28072, 28084 ( Dreyfus) and 38041 ( Ann. Set) .....these Hudsons all are Pittman powered.....I think that’s a good start, somebody else can fill in the blanks, and carry on from Korean production......cool thread......Pat 

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Wow Pat, that's much of the info I was looking for!  Pete, I looked at the Hikel thread too.  There's a lot of photos, but as expected mostly MTH and even some brass.  He doesn't mention the gold Hudson shown in Fisherdoc's thread.  What was the SKU for that one?  Was it even IN a catalogue?  It was labeled as an "Anniversary" loco, but sometimes 6-38041 is also referred to as an "anniversary" set.

I guess where I really lost track was with the various Century Club releases.  Where were they made?  Are they english or metric?  Pullmor or Pittman?  I feel like there ought to be a table with all of this stuff, so folks can know what parts will interchange, and what upgrades are possible.  Thanks all, for helping me sort this out!

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Ok, I dug into the subject further, and a few more questions arose out of my research.  What are the differences / changes among 18058, 38015, and 38096?  Did any of these come with Scullin discs as originally equipped?  Finally has there been a "successor" to the 38096, perhaps in the Conventional Classics line??  Thanks!

The 38015 was made from left over parts from the CCI Hudson, so it should be identical in terms of nearly all parts. 

I'm not sure what they did for the detail parts that were gold on the CCI model (bell and whistle - I have no idea if they are gold as well on 38015, or if they got detail parts from some other pile of parts for those items)

I can't speak to your question on the drivers, I would think they were the same as the CCI model, but I don't have one to look at to confirm.

-Dave

Ted S posted:

Ok, I dug into the subject further, and a few more questions arose out of my research.  What are the differences / changes among 18058, 38015, and 38096?  Did any of these come with Scullin discs as originally equipped?  Finally has there been a "successor" to the 38096, perhaps in the Conventional Classics line??  Thanks!

18058, 38015, & 38096 are the same locomotive...18058 was sold with 2426 type tender. 38096 was sold with a scale tender....38015 was sold with a 2426 type tender...what’s noteworthy of the 38015, it was the very last Hudson made in Chesterfield, and was only sold to Lionel top 10 dealers....this was a very limited run. All of the above have the same drivers, solid spoke, screw on type.......Pat

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I remember reading about a Hudson with screw-on driving wheels that was delivered with Scullin discs.  A lot of folks were put off, so Lionel made spoked replacements available as an aftermarket part.  After a while they ran out of spoked replacements.  Which Hudson was that?

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texastrain posted:

So, where is more information on the Gold issue Hudson?

Jesse   TCALionel Mod 6-28062 100th Anni Gold Hudson No. 1900

28062, Lionel’s 100th anniversary edition 700E....tooling is same as 18005 from 1990. However, gone is the mechanical E-unit, as the gold 700E sports TMCC.....pressed on drivers, same as 18005 from 90’........Pat

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Ted S posted:

I remember reading about a Hudson with screw-on driving wheels that was delivered with Scullin discs.  A lot of folks were put off, so Lionel made spoked replacements available as an aftermarket part.  After a while they ran out of spoked replacements.  Which Hudson was that?

I believe you’re thinking about 6-28072 Ted......the Korean built J3a ....catalog pictures, or catalog art as some call it, show the beast with boxpok drivers, when in fact, she was delivered with Scullin discs. As part of the move towards more accuracy of prototype models ( I’ll leave that term open to interpretation) 28072 was modeled after J3a #5444 ....the real  locomotive as delivered was equipped with boxpoks, not Scullins ......Lionel offered a set of replacement drivers in boxpok. Since this model has screw on drivers, this swap is not that difficult. Some heating of the retaining screw was necessary to break loose the loctite....that’s the worst part of the swap, but easily remedied by not rushing through the job.....as mentioned before, these Korean built Hudsons, are of all new tooling. Drivers are not interchangeable with it’s Pulmor ancestry...........Pat

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So what is meant by the term "metric" Hudson?

If the gold 28062 and 11209 are both derived from the 700E, are they Metric, or English?

And the trio that I asked about previously (18058, 38015, 38096):  Metric or English?  If all of these are Metric, then what was the last English Hudson??

Ted S posted:

So what is meant by the term "metric" Hudson?

If the gold 28062 and 11209 are both derived from the 700E, are they Metric, or English?

And the trio that I asked about previously (18058, 38015, 38096):  Metric or English?  If all of these are Metric, then what was the last English Hudson??

You can’t lump 11209 in with 28026 or 18005 .....other than maybe a couple trim pieces, 11209, although called a 700E has nothing shared major component wise with 18005, & 28026.....Pat

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Ted S posted:

So which ones are Metric, and when did that start?

That’s actually a very good question, I can not answer with any kind of authority at the moment, but I’ll sure nail it down, or someone else may know for certain....as Pete mentioned, it has something to do with metric fasteners as well.....now I wanna know too.......Pat

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Ted, if you go to lionelsupport.com and search on those item numbers you can see the parts used including all the fasteners. I know the J3s were inch including the 1st Dreyfuss. The ESE is metric. As for the J1s it was likely mid 2000s when they went metric.

The PWC GG1 I have has a metric Pullmor. Never paid attention to the fasteners.

Pete

I found references to a PWC GG1 made in 2000, is that the one you're thinking of Pete?  The Dreyfuss was circa 2002.  By "J3s" I assume you mean 28072 and 31705, those were 2001 and 2002 respectively.  If what you're saying is true, then some products (like the GG1) contained metric parts while others (like the Hudsons) were still inch-based. 

I'm thinking that Lionel wrapped up US production in 2000.  But in 2002 locos were being made in Korea, I'm pretty sure that was before the move to China.  The 38000 Empire State Express was made in 2005.  No idea where.

 

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Ted, 28084 Dreyfus, 28072 J3, and 38041 J3 from the 31705 Ann. Set all share common parts.....for your research, you can take the chassis out from under the Dreyfus and bolt on the shell from either of the other two models.....all 3 are Korean production.......Pat

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