Paul Kallus posted:

It would be very helpful for both the consumer and the manufacturer/importer to post their new products online with as accurate dimensions, pictures, and planned sound sets via a simple click of the mouse, prior to pre-order due dates. In this time of built-to-order, for Lionel at least, this would enable sufficient feedback and changes before production, and a lot more contented customers.

This assumes that the actually KNOW what is coming from China....and have control over it.
How does a company's own, current offering differ from their own, previous offering....that was more correct or simply....better?

 

I’m sort of surprised Lionel even bothers to make scale engines anymore. It’s all warmed over early 2000s tooling with extra smoke and weird paint jobs. I guess they sell pretty well though. I’m just too picky and jaded to put up with their mistakes. I am slowly selling down my engine roster and wouldn’t mind just having a handful or two of some nice 3rd Rails. 

Norm Charbonneau posted:

I’m sort of surprised Lionel even bothers to make scale engines anymore. It’s all warmed over early 2000s tooling with extra smoke and weird paint jobs. I guess they sell pretty well though. I’m just too picky and jaded to put up with their mistakes. I am slowly selling down my engine roster and wouldn’t mind just having a handful or two of some nice 3rd Rails. 

I think you need to step up to 2 rail scale or proto 48. Hopefully that would satisfy you. 

Rod Miller

Norm Charbonneau posted:

 It’s all warmed over early 2000s tooling with extra smoke and weird paint jobs.

That seems to be what folks are willing to spend big $$$$ on these days.  After all, it's their money and they want to spend it now.  (Apologies to J.G. Wentworth...)

I've often commented that Lionel could sell a motorized 2x4 if it had sound and lots of smoke.

Rusty

Berkshire President posted:

With all of it's problems, three rail O-Scale is still a much more vibrant hobby.

.... with paint jobs to match.  

Bob

In all fairness, their sound has become very impressive and the smoke output greatly increased....if that matters to you.

As to why they can't improve upon what they offered from 2000-2010 or so....let alone EQUAL these models...is up to speculation and debate, most of it bad.

Add in being asked to now buy these sight unseen, though, has become almost laughable, IMHO.

Berkshire President posted:

As to why they can't improve upon what they offered from 2000-2010 or so....let alone EQUAL these models...is up to speculation and debate, most of it bad.

I'd say the loss of really talented people like Mike Reagan, Jon Zahornacky and Rudy Trubitt has a lot to do with it.

Berkshire President posted:

In all fairness, their sound has become very impressive and the smoke output greatly increased....if that matters to you.

Only if its correct, otherwise its just loud. Smoke can be fun, when it works, but I'd take a proper graphite colored smokebox over a hotrod tender anyday. My eyes burn when I look the bright silver on my H10.

HOW DID THEY MANAGE 5 CHUFFS ON THE NEW HUDSON???? Maybe I should by one of the old 2 chuff hudsons and see if a couple of  forum members will part with an extra chuff on their new ones LOL!

As to why they can't improve upon what they offered from 2000-2010 or so....let alone EQUAL these models...is up to speculation and debate, most of it bad.

Maybe because many of the design/ tech folks at Lionel at that time are no longer there and the paint shop is colorblind. 

Add in being asked to now buy these sight unseen, though, has become almost laughable, IMHO.

True, I really wanted to preorder some VL reefers since the first offering was so good and these are IMO, a "low risk" item. Just couldn't bring myself to do it with recent "rehashes" having issues they didn't have the first time around.

 

 

" No matter how far we travel, the memories will follow in the baggage car."

Last edited by RickO

Well, with all this being said, good luck to Lionel. With all the current goings-on in the world they might be lucky to survive the next two quarters under the same ownership. Same goes for all the train makers. Getting the whistle right is probably the least of their worries right now.

Bob posted:
Berkshire President posted:

As to why they can't improve upon what they offered from 2000-2010 or so....let alone EQUAL these models...is up to speculation and debate, most of it bad.

I'd say the loss of really talented people like Mike Reagan, Jon Zahornacky and Rudy Trubitt has a lot to do with it.

You can add Dean Brasseur to the list. Unfortunately.

Bob

This is one of the engines on my list of engines to have. It should matter to have the right whistle, but like I said above, "I guess I could run it without blowing it."

We can only hope that with so many issues that consumers have been having over the past(however long it is now) 3-7 years(again, not sure how long) that things will get better or right as they should be. It is difficult for them to say things are okay when you have something that barks like a poodle when it is supposed to be a great Dane.

I know that we had hoped Dave would pop in here and say what for, but if Lionel has already said that the whistle is "correct" & "prototypical", why should he. It's not his call to pop in here would be my guess as he has other stuff that he has to keep his eyes on. I'm not knocking Dave at all, respect him for all that we don't know he does and what little we do know. Hopefully whenever the next version of this is offered(the green clown version that never was), the whistle will be the big behemoth that we know it should be, not a shrieking cat.

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