Lionel NEW Union Pacific 21 inch Excursion passenger cars -

J Daddy posted:

Anyone get their new Lionel passenger car sets in? .  .  .  Pictures please!

I purchased the UP variant so I will be waiting a tad longer.

Same here - on both counts. Very keen to see the advertised differences between these cars and the original run. And if there's any difference in the interior details I'm particularly interested in that. I know better than to expect passengers but a long time ago Lionel (in the person of Mike R.) stated the later run would be more "prototypical" than the first inside as well as out.

I  hope they took the stilts out of the truck bolsters! 

I have the SP cars on order but haven't heard anything yet.

J Daddy,

   That is one great picture!

PCRR/Dave

I believed most of the cars are on the water, as Dave Olson mentioned in a thread that I created. 

• Southern Pacific: Here
• Amtrak: Here
• NYC ESE #2: Here

• Pennsy Broadway limited: On the water
• Penn Central: On the water
• CSX: On the water
• AFT: On the water
• UP Excursion: On the water
• Conrail: On the water
• Burlington Northern: On the water
• ACL: To be built still

Train Diesel,  That me waiting for my UP Station Sounds Diner Car, and my MTH Premier line UP 5 car Passenger Set.

J Daddy posted:

Anyone get their new Lionel passenger car sets in? I believe they are coming out this week? Pictures please!

I purchased the UP variant so I will be waiting a tad longer.

I have the SP cars on order I have heard nothing yet

Since they shipped out last week, has anyone who lives close to a concord dealer received theirs yet? 

Clem - did you get a set?

I ventured into the CSX Theater car and the CSX Stationsounds Diner car, hopefully they will come in February, lots of Train items came late December, early January...Wow...I will post pictures when they arrive....

I really wish we had a choice to get the 18 inch car, instead of the 21 inch cars. Reason being, the 18 inch cars look better on my layout....Not Complaining, 21 inch looks ok to.  Great thread...

My bet is I see the theater UP car first. ... before the UP passenger set comes in.

I'm also waiting on UP... i say.... April.... that's my guess..

kinda wish i had pulled the trigger on SP, but my 18" SP MTH cars look just fine.

Waiting for the PRR's...it will be the last PRR cars I will have on the layout, I will be selling off the old PRR 18" when I find them.

J Daddy posted:

Clem - did you get a set?

Nope sit way to high for me, maybe this release will be better. Be nice to get the Amtrak but I have to see it first. I'm spoiled by Atlas CZ cars.

The ever reliable Charles Ro website shows the SP, Amtrak and ESE cars as available from10 Jan. From past experience that usually means when they are shipped from Lionel to Ro and the onward shipping happens fast. So these cars might only just have entered Ro’s customer delivery chain and other dealers may not have their consignments yet. So although hope springs eternal I am not counting on seeing any of these this weekend.

clem k posted:

Nope sit way to high for me, maybe this release will be better. Be nice to get the Amtrak but I have to see it first. I'm spoiled by Atlas CZ cars.

I agree with that.  The Atlas California Zephyr cars are the standard by which all others are judged.  Feature for feature, inch by inch and details vs details... Atlas is hard to beat.  Even the tinted windows and internal lighting are best in class. 

Hancock52 posted:

The ever reliable Charles Ro website shows the SP, Amtrak and ESE cars as available from10 Jan. From past experience that usually means when they are shipped from Lionel to Ro and the onward shipping happens fast. So these cars might only just have entered Ro’s customer delivery chain ....

The date quoted on Charlie Ro's website is the date he expects the cars to arrive at his store.  Upon arrival the website is usually updated very quickly to say "in stock".  And since that hasn't happened yet for any of the 21" passenger cars you mentioned, it's quite likely they still haven't arrived.

Maybe next week?

David

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

The date quoted on Charlie Ro's website is the date he expects the cars to arrive at his store.  Upon arrival the website is usually updated very quickly to say "in stock".  And since that hasn't happened yet for any of the 21" passenger cars you mentioned, it's quite likely they still haven't arrived.

Maybe next week?

David

The last time I had a pre-order with Ro the item shipped out to me before the website was updated. But yes, and in line with what you say, you'd expect an update by now if Ro had actually had any of these in.

Next week? I hope so but it's got to the point where I'll only believe it when I see it.

Hancock52 posted:

Rocky Mountaineer posted:

The date quoted on Charlie Ro's website is the date he expects the cars to arrive at his store.  Upon arrival the website is usually updated very quickly to say "in stock".  And since that hasn't happened yet for any of the 21" passenger cars you mentioned, it's quite likely they still haven't arrived.

Maybe next week?

David

The last time I had a pre-order with Ro the item shipped out to me before the website was updated. But yes, and in line with what you say, you'd expect an update by now if Ro had actually had any of these in.

Next week? I hope so but it's got to the point where I'll only believe it when I see it.

And the Sp, AMTRAK, and NYCESE were confirmed to be here! So they must be on a truck somewhere. 

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

And the Sp, AMTRAK, and NYCESE were confirmed to be here! So they must be on a truck somewhere. 

The truck(s) in question seem to be lost. These must be the most elusive passenger car models ever made by Lionel.

Still no sightings??? Maybe one of the improvements over the first run of these 21" ABS cars is that the new run is invisible!

Hancock52 posted:

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

And the Sp, AMTRAK, and NYCESE were confirmed to be here! So they must be on a truck somewhere. 

The truck(s) in question seem to be lost. These must be the most elusive passenger car models ever made by Lionel.

Still no sightings??? Maybe one of the improvements over the first run of these 21" ABS cars is that the new run is invisible!

Or in the new station-sounds diners, instead of the ¨We have arrived sequence,¨ the station announcement could say - ¨Attention passengers, WERE FINALLY HERE.¨

This whole 21 passenger cars situation reminds me of the original ¨Casey Jones¨ cartoon.

Welp, I'm still waiting for them to get in stock at Trains & Lanes...

To J Daddy and other interested parties: FYI, I started another thread on this topic to try to get to the bottom of where these cars are (or are not). It seems that they are arriving now at dealers. Go here for the update: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...33#77593417200677633

There’s a charge on my card from Ro. Something 21” long is coming, I’m just not sure what. It was only a charge for a SS diner or a 2 pack. 

YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!! THE 1st Round is coming!!!!

J Daddy posted:

Where are they ?!

Still on a truck (not "on the water") but this time it will be going to the buyers rather than the sellers.

How do they look... WE NEED ANSWERS!  waiting is the hardest part...

Agreed - and how they look inside as well as out. ANSWERS PLEASE!

(Below is me not spotting somebody else's UPS/Fedex.)

Mine are coming Tuesday.

was at the Amherst show and the folks at the Lionel booth said they will address the "high-water" trucks. They said the new ones would have the trucks closer to the body---wonder if they fixed it on these

Yeah no new catalog but a flyer and demonstration of the NYC Niagara.

I looked on charles ro today and they HAVE THE AMTRAK CARS and PC stationsounds diner in stock. 

So Has anyone purchase the entire Amtrak set? Any pictures of the cars in detail?

Thanks

Got tracking #'s for the SP cars today from Nassau Hobby. Should be here tomorrow or Saturday. Sure has been a long wait for these.

                                    JG

What J DADDY asked above.

J Daddy posted:

So Has anyone purchase the entire Amtrak set? Any pictures of the cars in detail?

Thanks

I ordered the Amtrak Stationsounds diner and I am expecting it soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@T1Titan_ZachF posted:

J Daddy posted:

So Has anyone purchase the entire Amtrak set? Any pictures of the cars in detail?

Thanks

I ordered the Amtrak Stationsounds diner and I am expecting it soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have that one on order (mines the delayed UP Excursion "Overland" diner) but I'd be very intrigued to see what the Amtrak version looks like. I already have the 1st run Texas Special diner and the sound sequences are a total crowd pleaser.

This is the Amtrak StationSounds diner.

Neal Jeter

Received the 21" Amtrak cars  on Saturday 1/27 beautiful cars, brought the dinner sound car to the New Eagle train show for a test run, as adivertised led lights don't flicker and has many station and other sounds including the clicked clak of rails. I'm empressed as was everyone within hearing distance of the sounds,etc, watching it run.

Jack

Lionlman posted:

This is the Amtrak StationSounds diner.

Neal Jeter

 

IT LOOKS BEAUTIFUL!!!!! Once mine arrives I will do a full review of it on Youtube. What dealer did you purchase yours from? I still did not receive mine. 

Now That is What I am talking about!

Zach:

I ordered mine from Charles Ro.  He shipped it Tuesday and I got it yesterday.

Neal Jeter

Thanks Neal!

that's a sharp car for sure

J Daddy posted:

Now That is What I am talking about!

I'm thinking this youngster isn't looking at a darn old train car!

     LUNCH!!!!,  is all that's on that critters mind!!!

aterry11 posted:

     LUNCH!!!!,  is all that's on that critters mind!!!

Or a good B.M.

Did anyone purchase the CSX passenger cars? Any pics?

J Daddy posted:

Did anyone purchase the CSX passenger cars? Any pics?

I did,  it's my understanding they are still on the water.   Charles ro usually has the most accurate shipping info any they have 3/10 listed 

So looks like they are coming in possibly next weekend?

Word is from my LHS that the UP excursion cars are headed to the distributors now. 

This is getting to be mind numbing...

I just filmed a review on my Amtrak Stationsounds diner, so if you are considering buying one I suggest you take a look! 

(I had no quality control issues on this car)

Yet I still hope for the UP Excursion fleet, and hopefully some additional cars in the future.

J Daddy posted:

So looks like they are coming in possibly next weekend?

Word is from my LHS that the UP excursion cars are headed to the distributors now. 

This is getting to be mind numbing...

Has anyone heard if it is the entire set of cars or if it is just the 4 pack? I have seen so many dates by many vendors.... greatly looking forward to the entire set.

Don't worry, you're wait is almost over!  All of the UP cars will be leaving our warehouse this week. I inspected several cases of each this morning. Along with the UP cars will be the rest of the Penn Centrals, Pennsy, Freedom Train, CSX, BN, Conrail.... Essentially everything except for the full length dome and theater cars.

Conrail6358 posted:

Don't worry, you're wait is almost over!  All of the UP cars will be leaving our warehouse this week. I inspected several cases of each this morning. Along with the UP cars will be the rest of the Penn Centrals, Pennsy, Freedom Train, CSX, BN, Conrail.... Essentially everything except for the full length dome and theater cars.

 

Thanks for the update Ryan,

that excursion baggage car looks great. Cant wait for my set! Praying for good QC and shipping and a flawless set that’s worth the wait!!

Fantastic! Thanks Ryan.

I think I see mine right there on top, second stack -

So just curious I have the AFT cars on order. The cars were suppose to be 18 inches but the box shown says 21. I remember a discussion saying that 18 inches was prototypical for these

    Bob

Also hoping it's the camera but the bottom car's display window looks too rectangular

Bob

An order for "The Challenger" set is riding on the excursion set appearance:

Riveted roof.

Look of the blunt end Observation.

Ride height.

The domes, the precious domes.

Hope is a four letter word.

So how is the theatre car coming along?

@Dave Olson

As per a post by Mike Reagan back when these cars were first announced. He assured me the display cars would 18 inches and the rest would be 21. This is why I went ahead and ordered them

Bob

spbob posted:

As per a post by Mike Reagan back when these cars were first announced. He assured me the display cars would 18 inches and the rest would be 21. This is why I went ahead and ordered them

Bob

Like yourself,   some time ago after the next group of AFT cars was announced,    I emailed Lionel with my concerns about getting the AFT cars made correctly.   Received an email from Ryan Kunkle assuring me that the display cars would be the correct lenget(18") and the other AFT cars(passenger) would be 21".   He also replied that Lionel would try to be as accurate as possible and that in the long term they would hope to produce the entire AFT.    I also have all the cars ordered.    Just seeing that one photo above,  I'm getting uneasy.   The display windows do look rectangular instead of square (as on the real AFT cars).   In addition,  the skirting beneath each door/display area is not right.   The skirting should have started much closer towards the end of the car(as on the real AFT cars),  not starting almost directly under the outside frame of the display window area.   The cars do appear to be the correct 18" length as compared to the other cars pictured(the gap from the ends of the AFT cars to the clear window opening is much greater than gap on the other cars pictured).

Nick 

The AFT cars look like they are 18". I know the packaging says 21", but compare the AFT picture to the others above. The other cars reach both ends of the box windows but the AFT cars do not by about 1 1/2" on each end.  So not saying they are but things look promising.

I hadn't noticed the skirting it is shorter. Oh well just have to wait and see

Conrail6358 posted:

Don't worry, you're wait is almost over!  All of the UP cars will be leaving our warehouse this week. I inspected several cases of each this morning. Along with the UP cars will be the rest of the Penn Centrals, Pennsy, Freedom Train, CSX, BN, Conrail.... Essentially everything except for the full length dome and theater cars.

 

Thank you very much for sharing the good news Ryan! Really looking forward to the entire set! Seeing the first car makes more excited for the Challenger set as well! The BN set looks incredibly sharp too.

WITZ 41 posted:

An order for "The Challenger" set is riding on the excursion set appearance:

Riveted roof.

Look of the blunt end Observation.

Ride height.

The domes, the precious domes.

Hope is a four letter word.

Not me.  I took the leap of faith and pre ordered it. Just hope it's not another 3 year wait.

Thanks for the pictures. The ACF rivets on the flag baggage  roof look stupendous, they even nailed the rubber tube replacement diaphragms.  Fingers crossed the Portland rose passenger cars looks as nice, may have to buy extras to cut up in future?  Now If I can just remember who I preordered from?  Looking back I seem tyo not have got a confirmation of my order.

Nice pictures!  Can't wait for the UP set.

I may have to get the Amtrak dining car only and add it to my San Francisco Zephyr. I am not crazy on the window layout of the dome car or the ex NYC Budd Tavern observation car.

Hey guys! I just picked up the Penn Central Stationsounds diner and have made a full review video on it on Youtube. Feel free to watch it if you desire!

Suggest you use a tripod or at least put the camera on something while you are shooting. Was getting dizzy...

Also some side lighting so we could see the truck detail that you so nicely describe. Good start however  :-)

c.sam posted:

Suggest you use a tripod or at least put the camera on something while you are shooting. Was getting dizzy...

Excellent suggestion! I could take only about a minute or two and had to give up.

That thing is nice. Thanks for posting, Nick.

Blue Streak posted:

The AFT cars look like they are 18". I know the packaging says 21", but compare the AFT picture to the others above. The other cars reach both ends of the box windows but the AFT cars do not by about 1 1/2" on each end.  So not saying they are but things look promising.

 

They are 18", were supposed to be 18" based on the prototype size. This has been known pretty much since these cars were announced.

AmtrakNickFilms posted:

Hey guys! I just picked up the Penn Central Stationsounds diner and have made a full review video on it on Youtube. Feel free to watch it if you desire!

Great insight on the new car! Thank you for sharing! 

I just finished detailing the "Portland Rose" Coach from the UP Excursion 2-pack.  Here are a few pictures.  When the glue dries I will put the car back together in the morning.

Painting the Preiser 65602 Seated People 24 pack takes a day.  The car seats have three coats of paint.  The release oil for the molds is making it necessary for an extra coat of Flat Acryl paint.

Tracking says my set will arrive tomorrow! Extremely excited! Granted after seeing the Amtrak cars, kind of thinking I should of order them as well.

John Rowlen posted:

I just finished detailing the "Portland Rose" Coach from the UP Excursion 2-pack.  Here are a few pictures.  When the glue dries I will put the car back together in the morning.

Painting the Preiser 65602 Seated People 24 pack takes a day.  The car seats have three coats of paint.  The release oil for the molds is making it necessary for an extra coat of Flat Acryl paint.

John, the cars look sharp on your layout! What radius is the track in which the cars are on?

John Rowlen posted:

I just finished detailing the "Portland Rose" Coach from the UP Excursion 2-pack.  Here are a few pictures.  When the glue dries I will put the car back together in the morning.

Painting the Preiser 65602 Seated People 24 pack takes a day.  The car seats have three coats of paint.  The release oil for the molds is making it necessary for an extra coat of Flat Acryl paint.

Great work! They look spectacular.

I just got the email that mine have shipped. Patience is a virtue.

The charge from Ro is one two pack short, will have to find out which it is. Hopefully they aren't short on stock. 

The UP Frontier Days Excursion cars are very nice as they come from the factory.  There may be coupler or truck adjustments needed on individual cars. 

I have ordered 3/16" "E"-clips from Home Depot to replace the silver clips Lionel used because two opened up and dropped a trucks from the floor of two cars.  This is my own choosing to strengthen  the clips with steel 3/16" replacements.

These cars are secured with double-sided tape along the body shell.  Removing the four body screws is just the beginning of opening up the car.  A sharp #11 Excel blade was my choice to break loose the double-sided tape.  Be careful when cutting to avoid nicking the paint on the bottom of the car with the knife. I have a few dings in mine. The double-sided tape makes sense on the Dome Cars, but is absolutely unnecessary on the Coaches and Dining Car --- but it is there and difficult to deal with.

The car shells are all new tooling, but the insides are from the previous run, except the Observation rear half floor with couches and coffee tables.

My Layout: "Valley of Bridges"  The track is Atlas O Century track with a minimum of O-72 curves.  The picture was taken at the point where the train crossed a Double Pratt Bridge and turned onto O-72 curves.  There may be a O-81 inserted to widen the depth of the curve.  There are four tracks negotiating this turn, two main line (outside) with two yard tracks inside, all minimum O-72.  The yard sidings start at the other side of the layout at the "Village of Deichman" and cross a few interlocks to get to the businesses nearest my control table and Double Pratt Bridge.  Designing the layout was a lesson in Geometry using many short filler tracks.  The layout is more scenic than practical and was built using a used Vision Line Big Boy #4014 as the test engine for curve-clearance as I laid track.  If the Big Boy cleared the auto carriers on the track or wall next to it, the layout was good.

Inspect the cars as soon as they arrive, so any damage can be reported to the dealer.  Stock on these cars will disappear quickly.  Enjoy your UP Excursion cars.  

Got my FED EX notice from RO today it will be here on Wednesday.

laz1957 posted:

Got my FED EX notice from RO today it will be here on Wednesday.

I think FedEx must be dispatching a 53' rig to Charlie's place this afternoon -- just for all the new 21" passenger car shipments going out to customers!    Must be quite the beehive of activity there today.

David

I received a PRR 4 pack and diner from Ro yesterday and another 4 pack scheduled for tomorrow.  I can't wait to run them behind the VL GG1 at the club on Wednesday. 

John Rowlen posted:

The UP Frontier Days Excursion cars are very nice as they come from the factory.  There may be coupler or truck adjustments needed on individual cars. 

I have ordered 3/16" "E"-clips from Home Depot to replace the silver clips Lionel used because two opened up and dropped a trucks from the floor of two cars.  This is my own choosing to strengthen  the clips with steel 3/16" replacements.

These cars are secured with double-sided tape along the body shell.  Removing the four body screws is just the beginning of opening up the car.  A sharp #11 Excel blade was my choice to break loose the double-sided tape.  Be careful when cutting to avoid nicking the paint on the bottom of the car with the knife. I have a few dings in mine. The double-sided tape makes sense on the Dome Cars, but is absolutely unnecessary on the Coaches and Dining Car --- but it is there and difficult to deal with.

The car shells are all new tooling, but the insides are from the previous run, except the Observation rear half floor with couches and coffee tables.

My Layout: "Valley of Bridges"  The track is Atlas O Century track with a minimum of O-72 curves.  The picture was taken at the point where the train crossed a Double Pratt Bridge and turned onto O-72 curves.  There may be a O-81 inserted to widen the depth of the curve.  There are four tracks negotiating this turn, two main line (outside) with two yard tracks inside, all minimum O-72.  The yard sidings start at the other side of the layout at the "Village of Deichman" and cross a few interlocks to get to the businesses nearest my control table and Double Pratt Bridge.  Designing the layout was a lesson in Geometry using many short filler tracks.  The layout is more scenic than practical and was built using a used Vision Line Big Boy #4014 as the test engine for curve-clearance as I laid track.  If the Big Boy cleared the auto carriers on the track or wall next to it, the layout was good.

Inspect the cars as soon as they arrive, so any damage can be reported to the dealer.  Stock on these cars will disappear quickly.  Enjoy your UP Excursion cars.  

Hi John,  thanks for all of your suggestions on the UP cars.  I like my set, and also like you I had some difficulty in getting the cars separated from the body, So I created a separate thread on that on how I did it.  I hope to add some interior details like you did.

Here is the link to the removing shell from body thread...

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...rsion-passenger-cars

  All  the best, dave

I just finished cutting and installing seat backs into the 6-83006 UP Excursion "Overland" Station Sounds dining car.  Tomorrow I will add seated people.  Because of the double-sided tape holding the body in place, when I seal it up, I don't want to add more to it later.  Getting the car open once was enough.

The table tops will get another coat of white flat acryl paint (the fourth coat) before the people are installed by careful grinding and trimming and maybe paint touch-up if necessary.

It would appear from the pictures posted so far that there is not a single Roof Vent on any car, ugh, should be min 3 to 6 per car where appropriate. How could this be overlooked ?  Now I wonder if the Broadway Limited cars will have any Roof Vents, lets see the pictures please,

Thanks Dean 

The only car with a roof vent (two) is the Station Sounds Dining Car with two vents over the kitchen.  All other cars have smooth roofs and no vents.  Good eye.  If you find an after market roof vent, please post the information of manufacturer and roof placement position.

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https://youtu.be/Xh-HbbeGff8

I prefer the clickity-clack sounds of the old StationSounds Diners.  The new sound file sounds like very similar to the noises that the PS-1 sound equipped boxcars make.  Maybe the new ones do make a clickity-clack sound and it just could not be heard over the BB....I dk.  For my tastes, I think the high pitched squealing rail sound is triggered too frequently.  To each their own.

T4TT posted:

I prefer the clickity-clack sounds of the old StationSounds Diners.  The new sound file sounds like very similar to the noises that the PS-1 sound equipped boxcars make.  Maybe the new ones do make a clickity-clack sound and it just could not be heard over the BB....I dk.  For my tastes, I think the high pitched squealing rail sound is triggered too frequently.  To each their own.

The new cars do have a "rail clatter" or clickety-clack feature that can be turned off and on from the CAB 2 remote. To me it sounds the same as the TMCC sound effect. Maybe in the video the guy had not turned it on. 

The manuals for the first run of ABS diners (I am not sure there are any manuals included with these newer cars) makes it clear that they do indeed have all but one of the same sound effects as the Freightsounds cars. (The deleted effect is the flat wheel sequence.) I agree about the squealing wheel/rail sound which Lionel calls "wheel flange grind" sound but that can also be toggled on and off from the CAB 2 remote. 

I have the PS-1 boxcar, which have what I call: bowling alley sounds

Craignor posted:

I have the PS-1 boxcar, which have what I call: bowling alley sounds

Bowling alley sounds....awesome....I had to laugh. I agree

I just finished adding Preiser 65602 and 68209 figures to my Lionel 6-83006 UP Excursion "Overland" Station Sounds Dining Car.  Tomorrow when the glue is dry and I pick up the new 3/16" "E-clips" for the truck posts, I will closed it up.

I left two tables open so there is room for you and me in the car.  A car is seldom packed to capacity when I detail car.

Craignor posted:

I have the PS-1 boxcar, which have what I call: bowling alley sounds

I have three of those HD washing machines, when you put them in one train it sounds like you are in a  Laundromat.

jini5 posted:

Craignor posted:

I have the PS-1 boxcar, which have what I call: bowling alley sounds

Bowling alley sounds....awesome....I had to laugh. I agree

Same here, all too true.

Here is a link to the 21"  SS Diner manual.  I do not have one yet, I only have the older TMCC 18" Diners.  Having read the manual, the new Legacy version has a lot more options and more audio scenes than the older versions.  I look forward to purchasing one some day!

Do the new 21" SS Diners have a sensor on a wheel/axle to determine the car's speed like the older 18" cars and the VL reefers or are the they "dumbed down" like the PS-1 railsounds boxcars?

thanks